French Schoolgirl admits she lied about her teachers action. A lie that led to him being killed in a "Jihadi" beheading

[laggyteabag]

Having to live with and deal with the consequences of your actions does not make you a victim.

I mean, it kind of does when those consequences are likely incredibly traumatic - especially when you are literally a child.

So far literally nothing bad has happened to her as a result of this.

There is a whole lot more to the world that just what happens to you, physically. Think for a second about what it would feel like to know that your actions got an innocent man brutally murdered. That is going to mess someone up. So sure, shes not in jail, or facing any physical or lawful consequences, but this kid is probably messed up because of this.

Therapy for years.

Not to mention that we don't know if she even feels bad about what happened. She could be a decent person that is horrified at what her actions led to or she could be callous and doesn't think it means much to her, or maybe she didn't even like her teacher and doesn't care what happened to him.

If you want to dismiss what this person is going through, for the slight chance that she might be a psychopath or sociopath, then sure, I guess.

 

[XsjadoBlayde]

Definitely worrying how quick people are to jump on a 13 year old girl for consequences she could never have seen coming, while doing something nearly all children do anyway. Growing up in an abusive environment myself, lying for me and sibling 2 was just one of the few ways we could avoid an aggressive alcoholic flying off the handle at all kinds of things we could not predict. Lying quickly became second nature just in desire for a calmer, safer feeling life when you have no choice but live with the same people. Not proud of it, and had to try very hard to shake off those learnt habits in adult life, but most memory is just fear and hiding back then, so anything that allowed an escape from that was embraced. Seeing other kids do similar foibles causes a pause for thought of the past and the many other stupid fearful behaviours going on, so am way less eager to jump on the condemnation train for this. Projection of adult morality and understanding onto child is not helpful at all.

 

[Specter Von Baren]

If you want to dismiss what this person is going through, for the slight chance that she might be a psychopath or sociopath, then sure, I guess.

If there's something I don't like about conversation with "NT's" it's the assumption that saying "I don't know" means that I secretly am saying something else. You are the one making assumptions about what kind of person she is, not me. I don't know what kind of person she is and neither do you.

 

[Gordon_4]

Having to live with and deal with the consequences of your actions does not make you a victim. So far literally nothing bad has happened to her as a result of this.

That you are aware of.

Not to mention that we don't know if she even feels bad about what happened. She could be a decent person that is horrified at what her actions led to or she could be callous and doesn't think it means much to her, or maybe she didn't even like her teacher and doesn't care what happened to him.

See this is something that will never be satisfactorily answered in the eyes of everyone. Contrition will be seen as putting on a show, silence is seen as indifference, and continuing on as normal is seen as outright callousness. This is all regardless of how she may feel - speaking of, has anyone asked her? - or be treated.

But again, all she did was spin some bullshit. Her father - an adult with all legal faculties thereof - is the one who committed murder. She’s not his fucking keeper or his morality guide; he’s a fucking adult and expected to handle that shit himself. He failed. Utterly. And his failings are not her fault.

 

[Breakdown]

That you are aware of.



See this is something that will never be satisfactorily answered in the eyes of everyone. Contrition will be seen as putting on a show, silence is seen as indifference, and continuing on as normal is seen as outright callousness. This is all regardless of how she may feel - speaking of, has anyone asked her? - or be treated.

But again, all she did was spin some bullshit. Her father - an adult with all legal faculties thereof - is the one who committed murder. She’s not his fucking keeper or his morality guide; he’s a fucking adult and expected to handle that shit himself. He failed. Utterly. And his failings are not her fault.

The father didn't actually commit the murder, it was an 18 year old guy from a different part of France. The father was running a social media campaign against the school and teacher which had a "direct causal link" to the murder according to the prosecutors.

 

[Gordon_4]

The father didn't actually commit the murder, it was an 18 year old guy from a different part of France. The father was running a social media campaign against the school and teacher which had a "direct causal link" to the murder according to the prosecutors.

In that case, statement withdrawn regarding her father.

 

[Specter Von Baren]

That you are aware of.



See this is something that will never be satisfactorily answered in the eyes of everyone. Contrition will be seen as putting on a show, silence is seen as indifference, and continuing on as normal is seen as outright callousness. This is all regardless of how she may feel - speaking of, has anyone asked her? - or be treated.

But again, all she did was spin some bullshit. Her father - an adult with all legal faculties thereof - is the one who committed murder. She’s not his fucking keeper or his morality guide; he’s a fucking adult and expected to handle that shit himself. He failed. Utterly. And his failings are not her fault.

Yes.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

See this is something that will never be satisfactorily answered in the eyes of everyone. Contrition will be seen as putting on a show, silence is seen as indifference, and continuing on as normal is seen as outright callousness. This is all regardless of how she may feel - speaking of, has anyone asked her? - or be treated.

But again, all she did was spin some bullshit. Her father - an adult with all legal faculties thereof - is the one who committed murder. She’s not his fucking keeper or his morality guide; he’s a fucking adult and expected to handle that shit himself. He failed. Utterly. And his failings are not her fault.

1 - Did you even read the article? Her father didn't kill anyone. She lied to her father about the reason she was suspended from school. She was suspended for excessive absences, and she told her father that she got suspended because she refused to participate in a class where the teacher was showing pictures of Mohammad. The father than proceeded to propagate that lie on social media, which caused someone else to kill the teacher.

2 - There has been no contrition. The article says that she admitted to the lie. It doesn't say that she came forward and confessed. What most likely happened was she got caught in the lie and had to admit it. She hasn't apologized for anything she did.

3 - Even if she hadn't foreseen that her teacher would be killed she did try to get the teacher fired and ruin his life, so that's not exactly better.

 

[Gordon_4]

1 - Did you even read the article? Her father didn't kill anyone. She lied to her father about the reason she was suspended from school. She was suspended for excessive absences, and she told her father that she got suspended because she refused to participate in a class where the teacher was showing pictures of Mohammad. The father than proceeded to propagate that lie on social media, which caused someone else to kill the teacher.

I misread it, very badly. I'll leave my old posts for context but let that be a lesson to re-read the articles, kids >.>

2 - There has been no contrition. The article says that she admitted to the lie. It doesn't say that she came forward and confessed. What most likely happened was she got caught in the lie and had to admit it. She hasn't apologized for anything she did.

Because again, its not her fault someone else - indeed as you point out, not her dad - went off in a big way. She is responsible for the lie, she is not responsible for murder. That's on some other asshole.

3 - Even if she hadn't foreseen that her teacher would be killed she did try to get the teacher fired and ruin his life, so that's not exactly better.

No, but that makes her a jackass, not an accomplice to murder.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

I misread it, very badly. I'll leave my old posts for context but let that be a lesson to re-read the articles, kids >.>

Because again, its not her fault someone else - indeed as you point out, not her dad - went off in a big way. She is responsible for the lie, she is not responsible for murder. That's on some other asshole.

No, but that makes her a jackass, not an accomplice to murder.

And I didn't say the murder is her fault. My point is that I refuse to call her a victim in this scenario the way some of the people in this thread have.

 

[Kwak]

... and she told her father that she got suspended because she refused to participate in a class where the teacher was showing pictures of Mohammad.

So there was no mohammad pictures as part of the lesson? I thought there was but she wasn't there at the time.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

So there was no mohammad pictures as part of the lesson? I thought there was but she wasn't there at the time.

There were, but she didn't participate, and her suspension didn't have anything to do with the lesson.