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Seneschal

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brainless_fps_player said:
I want:
1. The church of Scientology to be gone.
2. People to stop giving gay people such a hard time.
3. Evolution to be proven, because I want to see the look on the faces of creationists.
4. Anti-matter power
5. Star Trek-esque space travel (FTL, artificial gravity etc)
6. Decent computer games again.
7. The abandonment of money.
8. Free media, as in all films, songs and games ever made to be COMPLETELY free over the internet.
Wheee, list thingy!

1. I agree, fingers crossed.

2. I've seen some nation-wide polls, and it seems liberal countries like the Netherlands and Sweden have about 70-90% of the population supporting equal LGBT rights, so it looks promising. But equally advanced countries with strong Christian traditions like Italy and the USA rank much lower, around 40-50%. I guess that might keep increasing with secularization.

3. It has been proven, demonstrated and observed again and again for the last hundred years. Those idiots have just been covering their ears and shouting "LALALALA". There are still many gaps in the theory, but that's why we have science in the first place.

4. Anti-matter might be a bit overrated. At least for a few hundred years. A lot of the energy produced in a matter-antimatter reaction would just be a bunch of neutrinos flying everywhere. Fusion, however, is a much more realistic expectation, and one that would bring practically unlimited energy, and might become possible within our lifetimes. Plus, if we opt for the whole Helium-3 thing, it means we have to go to space to get it, which is neat because we haven't been moving farther than the Moon since the 60s. No kid wants to be an astronaut anymore! :(

5. Not very futuristic to expect what amounts to magic from technology. As far as we know, fictional tropes like artificial gravity are as plausible in real life as dragons.

6. YEAH! Screw unlimited energy and artificial intelligence, we want VR sex games already!

7. & 8. This is actually what I wanted to bring up since it's a futurist thread: we are already living in a 50%-Star-Trek universe. 50% because we can't replicate physical objects (though there's this thing called stereolitography [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereolithography], which is a fancy way of saying "printer that prints actual stuff"), but all our data is basically free. Every person with an internet connection can download thousands of years of culture, knowledge and entertainment for a small monthly subsciption fee. The problem is that the people creating the data now deserve to be paid, and so we have our (nigh-unenforceable) intellectual property laws that oftentimes make no sense at all. If a person's game/movie/book can be replicated for no expense on hundreds of millions of computers around the world in a few hours, its monetary value cannot be determined by manufacturing expenses, logistics and retailer cost, but purely by "the author's effort". Which is a nebulous concept - if a genius created something that would take a group of developers twice as long to produce, does he deserve to get more money, or less, or can he just name any price?

In essence, unlike Star Trek, when everything on our planet becomes so cheap and easy to reproduce that you're basically conjuring copies like magic, we'll stop paying for material worth and start paying for brands, hype, artistic value, names attached, marketing, packaging, service, convenience, recognition, or even outright lies. I mean, all modern capitalism is based on this; fair trade based on material value hasn't been practiced since the freakin' Bronze Age. When you buy your noodles, 1% of your money covers the cost of their production, and the rest goes to the big "spaghetti italiani di Parma" logo on the pretty blue box. If we hadn't been using this kind of subterfuge as the basis of our economy, nobody would ever get rich, but it looks increasingly obvious now that we can literally see our computer assemble an entire gigantic work of art out of 1s and 0s based on a blueprint.
 

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Hero in a half shell said:
spartan231490 said:
he runs and entire house, complete with tvs, game systems, microwave, ect. He does have gas powered stove/washer/dryer, but he uses one single old pv solar cell.
Does he work with NASA? because rumour has it they have some kickass PV Cells that they aren't letting anyone near. how does he power it in the night? I never heard of anyone fully running a house on PV cells alone, is he completely disconnected to the national grid? and is it a modern house, because there are all sorts of power-saving stuff now that could explain his god-like energy consumption.

Sorry about this, I'm not taking the mick, I am generaly interested in it.
He's completely off grid cuz he converted his hunting camp into a house and having lines run to the house would have cost a large fortune. He doesn't use much power at night cuz his whole family are early risers(Like literally in time to see dawn early). He does have a generator for when we have really long storms or if they are up late for some reason, but he burns under $100 dollars of fuel a year for it, and either about the same, or about twice that for his appliances(can't remember). I'm not positive it's a pv cell, but he got it cheap over 10 years ago, so I imagine it is. He lives in the ADK park if you're curious about location for sun strength and weather and ect.
 

The Salty Vulcan

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Heres another idea I have. Whether its feasible or not is a matter I'm not sure about, but here me out. Downloadable Medication? Imagine the iStore card system, where after a checkup, a doctor will give you a card with a redeemable code in order to download your medication. You make your purchase, download and then print a grid sheet. Then, you simply eat a square and presto! You've taken your medication!
 

guntotingtomcat

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Seneschal said:
brainless_fps_player said:
I want:
1. The church of Scientology to be gone.
2. People to stop giving gay people such a hard time.
3. Evolution to be proven, because I want to see the look on the faces of creationists.
4. Anti-matter power
5. Star Trek-esque space travel (FTL, artificial gravity etc)
6. Decent computer games again.
7. The abandonment of money.
8. Free media, as in all films, songs and games ever made to be COMPLETELY free over the internet.
Wheee, list thingy!

1. I agree, fingers crossed.

2. I've seen some nation-wide polls, and it seems liberal countries like the Netherlands and Sweden have about 70-90% of the population supporting equal LGBT rights, so it looks promising. But equally advanced countries with strong Christian traditions like Italy and the USA rank much lower, around 40-50%. I guess that might keep increasing with secularization.

3. It has been proven, demonstrated and observed again and again for the last hundred years. Those idiots have just been covering their ears and shouting "LALALALA". There are still many gaps in the theory, but that's why we have science in the first place.

4. Anti-matter might be a bit overrated. At least for a few hundred years. A lot of the energy produced in a matter-antimatter reaction would just be a bunch of neutrinos flying everywhere. Fusion, however, is a much more realistic expectation, and one that would bring practically unlimited energy, and might become possible within our lifetimes. Plus, if we opt for the whole Helium-3 thing, it means we have to go to space to get it, which is neat because we haven't been moving farther than the Moon since the 60s. No kid wants to be an astronaut anymore! :(

5. Not very futuristic to expect what amounts to magic from technology. As far as we know, fictional tropes like artificial gravity are as plausible in real life as dragons.

6. YEAH! Screw unlimited energy and artificial intelligence, we want VR sex games already!

7. & 8. This is actually what I wanted to bring up since it's a futurist thread: we are already living in a 50%-Star-Trek universe. 50% because we can't replicate physical objects (though there's this thing called stereolitography [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereolithography], which is a fancy way of saying "printer that prints actual stuff"), but all our data is basically free. Every person with an internet connection can download thousands of years of culture, knowledge and entertainment for a small monthly subsciption fee. The problem is that the people creating the data now deserve to be paid, and so we have our (nigh-unenforceable) intellectual property laws that oftentimes make no sense at all. If a person's game/movie/book can be replicated for no expense on hundreds of millions of computers around the world in a few hours, its monetary value cannot be determined by manufacturing expenses, logistics and retailer cost, but purely by "the author's effort". Which is a nebulous concept - if a genius created something that would take a group of developers twice as long to produce, does he deserve to get more money, or less, or can he just name any price?

In essence, unlike Star Trek, when everything on our planet becomes so cheap and easy to reproduce that you're basically conjuring copies like magic, we'll stop paying for material worth and start paying for brands, hype, artistic value, names attached, marketing, packaging, service, convenience, recognition, or even outright lies. I mean, all modern capitalism is based on this; fair trade based on material value hasn't been practiced since the freakin' Bronze Age. When you buy your noodles, 1% of your money covers the cost of their production, and the rest goes to the big "spaghetti italiani di Parma" logo on the pretty blue box. If we hadn't been using this kind of subterfuge as the basis of our economy, nobody would ever get rich, but it looks increasingly obvious now that we can literally see our computer assemble an entire gigantic work of art out of 1s and 0s based on a blueprint.
Come on dude, I just like Star Trek. No need to kill my unicorn.
Good spot on the AI, though. I forgot about that one. Yeah, I defo want robots to be intelligent citizens at some point. And apparently we have antimatter engines already, just really difficult to produce because the collider in Geneva can only make one anti proton at a time. Not really cost effective, or easy to store.
 

Doive

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Personally, I think a food crisis is going to hit us before we manage a truely sustainable nation or state. The world's population is increasing exponentially and we already use 1.4 Earths (in resources) a year then can be renewed by the the Earth. So, possibly a huge food crisis in the next 50-100 years followed by a population crash. After that, the population that is left may hopefully find a way to rebulid using more sustainable methods to avoid a repeat performance. Maybe spread-out communites each using the enviroment around them to find unique solutions to self-sustainabilty based on their location.
I disagree about a food crisis being relatively imminent. I saw on a news program the other day that much more food is produced worldwide than is consumed and we can potentially support a much higher world population than at the moment. The issue is that food is produced in places around Africa, for example, but goes off due to lack of infrastructure and technology such as refrigeration being unavailable.

OT: Nuclear power is the future of power, without a shadow of a doubt. Fission and then cold fusion when we crack how to do it on a relatively large scale.
Long term I'm thinking a moon base where we can launch spacecraft without using up most of their fuel excaping the atmosphere.
 

Seneschal

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brainless_fps_player said:
Seneschal said:
brainless_fps_player said:
snup
Well, we have theoretical designs for antimatter engines. In fact, we have designs for entire rockets, but they won't be made anytime soon.

If we ever begin relying on antimatter, it won't be produced in Geneva. The amount produced there in the last few years isn't even enough to power a light bulb for more than a fraction of a second (let alone power that bomb seen in Angels & Demons). Right now we have, like, an antimatter firecracker. There's a lot of ideas about how we could create "antimatter farms" with large solar panels orbiting Mercury or something, but all of this is reeeally far off.
 

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One day, maybe,just.....maybe, in the not to distant future. We will have a government that works.

Or maybe that's far to futuristic.
 

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Almost certainly there will be a disease that acts to fast to be cured, that will take out a large percentage of the population. Nature has a way of cleaning house. I'm pretty sure this is inevitable, even if this disease is a direct result of mans interaction with nature. It will be a good thing in the long run
 

Dastardly

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brainless_fps_player said:
Super Toast said:
brainless_fps_player said:
8. Free media, as in all films, songs and games ever made to be COMPLETELY free over the internet.
Effectively destroying the entertainment industry.
Well, you didn't explain your point, but I'll assume that you mean no one will make stuff because there's no money in it.

1. This is a theoretical in a future where money doesn't exist. Chill out.
2. The INDUSTRY is destroying the entertainment industry. Notice how crap stuff makes more than good stuff, with a few very rare exceptions? That's not going to stop. In fact, it will only get worse.
3. People are currently producing arts in all media for prestigious awards that carry no cash prize, and much of that is of better quality than many big budget titles.

Not saying that the industry wouldn't take a blow, but it would be worth it to get rid of the heaps of money making nonsense and to restore the soul to the process, which has become a money making machine.
A money-less society doesn't mean a job-less society. If it did, everyone would be a professional artist or singer or something, because no one would have to work. For this "no money" society to function, each person would have to play a role in keeping it afloat. It's basically global communism. Note that I'm not shooting down the idea, but what we come back to is the fact that everyone will have to contribute in specific ways.

Bob might work to keep the street-sweep robots functioning. Jim might need to preside over a civil court (Don't think all crime will vanish with money). And Eric? Well, he doesn't do anything. There's no money, so he gets whatever he needs already... and when Bob and Jim see this, they quickly realize it's a bum deal. Human nature does the rest.

So, in order for people to produce art, it would have to be in their spare time. That means we're not going to get works of the scope that we get now, from people whose entire career is nothing but creating art. There's plenty of good folk art, to be sure... it's just not as large as a blockbuster movie.

Or, alternately, we allow "artist" to be one of the necessary professions in this money-free society... which means we're basically letting the government take the place of business, deciding what is or isn't art, or of value, or whatever.

The problems in the art industry that you blame on money find their roots with people. Audiences have different tastes. Some of those tastes are mutually exclusive--what you adore, I might abhor. The market simply goes with whatever appeals to the largest number of people. If people stopped buying it, they'd change tactics. So it's audiences that are to blame for why artists can't do what they want without a producer "packaging it to sell."
 

Seneschal

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Serris said:
Hero in a half shell said:
. Nuclear fuel is the future, it is safe when regulated properly, and I heard that its waste is actualy less harmful to the environment that coal powered stations.
it isn't. nuclear fusion is. this doesn't leave nuclear waste (which is harmful to all things living (cancers, mutations)), and it uses hydrogen as fuel (one of the particles normal water is made from) and generates huge amounts of power. the only problem is applying sufficient power to start the reaction.
Uh, no, not quite. There are several different fusion reactions. For example, deuterium-tritium fusion would fuse the above-mentioned hydrogen isotopes into helium-4 (plus a neutron). Deuterium can be found anywhere, heavy water for instance, but tritium is rare and kinda dangerous. Deuterium-helium-3 fusion is much more efficient, creating helium-4 (and a proton), but there's no helium-3 on Earth. You'd have to go to the Moon or our gas giants to get it (a nice depiction of helium-3 mining can be seen in the movie "Moon"). In any case, I don't think fuel will be very easy to come by.
 

lacktheknack

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brainless_fps_player said:
I want:
1. The church of Scientology to be gone.
2. People to stop giving gay people such a hard time.
3. Evolution to be proven, because I want to see the look on the faces of creationists.
4. Anti-matter power
5. Star Trek-esque space travel (FTL, artificial gravity etc)
6. Decent computer games again.
7. The abandonment of money.
8. Free media, as in all films, songs and games ever made to be COMPLETELY free over the internet.
I thought you were supposed to be logical in your list, because none of these are logical (except maybe number two). Plus, 6. and 8. are mutually exclusive.
 

guntotingtomcat

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lacktheknack said:
brainless_fps_player said:
I want:
1. The church of Scientology to be gone.
2. People to stop giving gay people such a hard time.
3. Evolution to be proven, because I want to see the look on the faces of creationists.
4. Anti-matter power
5. Star Trek-esque space travel (FTL, artificial gravity etc)
6. Decent computer games again.
7. The abandonment of money.
8. Free media, as in all films, songs and games ever made to be COMPLETELY free over the internet.
I thought you were supposed to be logical in your list, because none of these are logical (except maybe number two). Plus, 6. and 8. are mutually exclusive.
Are you going to explain your viewpoint, or simply troll me. In all honesty I wasn't entirely serious in my list, but for more valid arguments see my previous responses to others. Particularly on your asinine 'mutually exclusive' comment.
 

guntotingtomcat

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brainless_fps_player said:
lacktheknack said:
brainless_fps_player said:
I want:
1. The church of Scientology to be gone.
2. People to stop giving gay people such a hard time.
3. Evolution to be proven, because I want to see the look on the faces of creationists.
4. Anti-matter power
5. Star Trek-esque space travel (FTL, artificial gravity etc)
6. Decent computer games again.
7. The abandonment of money.
8. Free media, as in all films, songs and games ever made to be COMPLETELY free over the internet.
I thought you were supposed to be logical in your list, because none of these are logical (except maybe number two). Plus, 6. and 8. are mutually exclusive.
Are you going to explain your viewpoint, or simply troll me. In all honesty I wasn't entirely serious in my list, but for more valid arguments see my previous responses to others. Particularly on your asinine 'mutually exclusive' comment.
Dastardly said:
brainless_fps_player said:
Super Toast said:
brainless_fps_player said:
8. Free media, as in all films, songs and games ever made to be COMPLETELY free over the internet.
Effectively destroying the entertainment industry.
Well, you didn't explain your point, but I'll assume that you mean no one will make stuff because there's no money in it.

1. This is a theoretical in a future where money doesn't exist. Chill out.
2. The INDUSTRY is destroying the entertainment industry. Notice how crap stuff makes more than good stuff, with a few very rare exceptions? That's not going to stop. In fact, it will only get worse.
3. People are currently producing arts in all media for prestigious awards that carry no cash prize, and much of that is of better quality than many big budget titles.

Not saying that the industry wouldn't take a blow, but it would be worth it to get rid of the heaps of money making nonsense and to restore the soul to the process, which has become a money making machine.
A money-less society doesn't mean a job-less society. If it did, everyone would be a professional artist or singer or something, because no one would have to work. For this "no money" society to function, each person would have to play a role in keeping it afloat. It's basically global communism. Note that I'm not shooting down the idea, but what we come back to is the fact that everyone will have to contribute in specific ways.

Bob might work to keep the street-sweep robots functioning. Jim might need to preside over a civil court (Don't think all crime will vanish with money). And Eric? Well, he doesn't do anything. There's no money, so he gets whatever he needs already... and when Bob and Jim see this, they quickly realize it's a bum deal. Human nature does the rest.

So, in order for people to produce art, it would have to be in their spare time. That means we're not going to get works of the scope that we get now, from people whose entire career is nothing but creating art. There's plenty of good folk art, to be sure... it's just not as large as a blockbuster movie.

Or, alternately, we allow "artist" to be one of the necessary professions in this money-free society... which means we're basically letting the government take the place of business, deciding what is or isn't art, or of value, or whatever.

The problems in the art industry that you blame on money find their roots with people. Audiences have different tastes. Some of those tastes are mutually exclusive--what you adore, I might abhor. The market simply goes with whatever appeals to the largest number of people. If people stopped buying it, they'd change tactics. So it's audiences that are to blame for why artists can't do what they want without a producer "packaging it to sell."
Sigh, again. Refer to previous responses to see my viewpoint on this.

And I said nothing about a jobless society. Stop projecting.
 

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Quantum Roberts said:
Heres another idea I have. Whether its feasible or not is a matter I'm not sure about, but here me out. Downloadable Medication? Imagine the iStore card system, where after a checkup, a doctor will give you a card with a redeemable code in order to download your medication. You make your purchase, download and then print a grid sheet. Then, you simply eat a square and presto! You've taken your medication!
Quantum Roberts said:
I have a few ideas myself, most concerning renewable forms of energy and technology. One of which I have dubbed The Icarus Windfarm. Essentially a fleet of unmaned, flying windmills.
I imagine your high a lot. A LOT.


brainless_fps_player said:
I want:
1. The church of Scientology to be gone.
2. People to stop giving gay people such a hard time.
3. Evolution to be proven, because I want to see the look on the faces of creationists.
4. Anti-matter power
5. Star Trek-esque space travel (FTL, artificial gravity etc)
6. Decent computer games again.
7. The abandonment of money.
8. Free media, as in all films, songs and games ever made to be COMPLETELY free over the internet.
1. Never going to happen.
2. The percentage of the population (US) that gives a shit about sexual preference is surprisingly low already, outside of high school and Alabama.
3. Evolution has already been proven, it has just not been proven that it is the entire basis for all life as we know it, from beginning to now (Admittedly, on a technicality). It is unlikely to be proven 100% (Though admittedly, the doubt would be about 1%>)
4. We'll all be dead LONG before thats even feasible.
5. I'd prefer a jump drive. Seems classier.
6. Already have them now, we just lost the FPS/RPG market.
7. Fuck that. Capitalism all the way.
8. Fuck artist too.
 

guntotingtomcat

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Dastardly said:
brainless_fps_player said:
Super Toast said:
brainless_fps_player said:
8. Free media, as in all films, songs and games ever made to be COMPLETELY free over the internet.
Effectively destroying the entertainment industry.
Well, you didn't explain your point, but I'll assume that you mean no one will make stuff because there's no money in it.

1. This is a theoretical in a future where money doesn't exist. Chill out.
2. The INDUSTRY is destroying the entertainment industry. Notice how crap stuff makes more than good stuff, with a few very rare exceptions? That's not going to stop. In fact, it will only get worse.
3. People are currently producing arts in all media for prestigious awards that carry no cash prize, and much of that is of better quality than many big budget titles.

Not saying that the industry wouldn't take a blow, but it would be worth it to get rid of the heaps of money making nonsense and to restore the soul to the process, which has become a money making machine.
A money-less society doesn't mean a job-less society. If it did, everyone would be a professional artist or singer or something, because no one would have to work. For this "no money" society to function, each person would have to play a role in keeping it afloat. It's basically global communism. Note that I'm not shooting down the idea, but what we come back to is the fact that everyone will have to contribute in specific ways.

Bob might work to keep the street-sweep robots functioning. Jim might need to preside over a civil court (Don't think all crime will vanish with money). And Eric? Well, he doesn't do anything. There's no money, so he gets whatever he needs already... and when Bob and Jim see this, they quickly realize it's a bum deal. Human nature does the rest.

So, in order for people to produce art, it would have to be in their spare time. That means we're not going to get works of the scope that we get now, from people whose entire career is nothing but creating art. There's plenty of good folk art, to be sure... it's just not as large as a blockbuster movie.

Or, alternately, we allow "artist" to be one of the necessary professions in this money-free society... which means we're basically letting the government take the place of business, deciding what is or isn't art, or of value, or whatever.

The problems in the art industry that you blame on money find their roots with people. Audiences have different tastes. Some of those tastes are mutually exclusive--what you adore, I might abhor. The market simply goes with whatever appeals to the largest number of people. If people stopped buying it, they'd change tactics. So it's audiences that are to blame for why artists can't do what they want without a producer "packaging it to sell."
I may have already responded to this, so sorry. Computer being funny.

I said nothing about a jobless society; stop projecting.
Refer to previous responses of mine to see my viewpoint on your other argument.
 

Voodoomancer

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"He who predicts the future will make a fool of himself."

...that said, gravity control in 100 years. Definitely.
 

Nikolaz72

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A one world goverment. Having representatives of each country each chosen by the countries. And from there one of the representatives being chosen by all the representatives, with rule switching once every five years.

Or hold the world ransom for (Enter ammount here)
 

Jonluw

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Well; I'm personally looking forward to the possibilities of graphene. I don't know if the stuff is as great as I have the impression of, but I love it nevertheless.
Apparently, you can place an elephant balancing on a pencil on a graphene sheet the thickness of regular tinfoil without the graphene breaking.
And it has awesome potential in microchips. Potential to direct the flow of individual electrons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphene