Wait, so not treating your customer like a potential criminal is a transparent marketing tactic?SajuukKhar said:I have no problem with DRM, as long as it isn't SUPER inconvenient like Ubisoft's "always-online" DRM or stays on your PC if you uninstall the game like SecuROM.synobal said:I was mostly basing my opinion on their stance towards DRM and the fact that they didn't try to gouge anyone for DLC.
If you don't like the witcher that is fine. I was mostly thinking about companies that didn't treat their customers like thieves with terrible DRM schemes (ubisoft) or awful DLC cashins.
As for DLC, it doesn't bother me. A company should be allowed to make as much content as they want release it as fast as they want, and charge a reasonable amount of money for it, as long as it isn't needed to have a full base game.
Beyond that CdProjekt's "we wont use DRM EVER" thing I find to be a terribly transparent marketing tactic that abuses the well known customer hatred of DRM in order to gain popularity.
It is kinda underhanded.
It will only be underhanded if CDPR or their publishers use DRM for their future products anyways. Still good sofar.dyre said:Which ones? Honestly, I thought it suffered from different problems, but none of the problems of the first game.SajuukKhar said:I tried The Witcher 2, it was slightly better then the first but still suffer from MANY of the 1st problems.dyre said:You should try Witcher 2. I also thought the first Witcher was crap, but the Witcher 2 solves pretty much every problem in the first. It's almost feels like they were made by two different companies.
Also, I don't really see how making a bad game means you disrespect your customers...
Also, going back on your first post, I don't see how saying "we won't use DRM ever" is underhanded. CDProjekt realizes consumers don't like DRM, so they promise not to put it in their product. It's like advertising good gas mileage on a car. If you think that's underhanded, clearly you've never been exposed to underhanded marketing![]()
yes because over 8 patches that fix bugs in 5 months time is them having no bug fixing team?TestECull said:Disagree. If Bethesda respected their customers they'd hire a quality assurance/bugfixing team. Obsidian would have forced the issue when they made new vegas as well.SajuukKhar said:Valve
Bethesda
Arena Net
Gearbox
Obsidian
valve would rather stick up for tier belief that people should get DLC fore free then compromise their integrity and sell out to the Mico$soft and $ony pay masters.Gorilla Gunk said:Gearbox and Bethesda come to mind as do Naughty Dog.
Valve only respects it's PC gamers. Their hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions of console gamers? We get the shaft every time. MS/Sony are only partially to blame but because they're gaming's sacred cow nobody is allowed to criticism them.
Na its more of theAcrisius said:"We promise from now on to never do anything that fucks you, our customers, in any way. This will be something that basically nobody who cares about customers will be able to deny is a good thing. We do this because we know it's not worth it anyway, and we respect you."
"LOL LOL FUCKING SNEAKY BASTARD NAZI IN DISGUISE, YOU AIN'T FOOLING ME, JEWHATER!"
I don't know man, there's suspicion and there's paranoia...
SajuukKhar sounds like an anti-conformist...Do my captcha and "Run the gauntlet"!
Just pointing out that they fixed that in Witcher 2; you pretty much only bang Triss once, walk in on Philipa having sex once, then it's done. Still, the question was if there were any developers who respect their customers and CDProjektRed certainly treat us well, regardless of your personal feelings.SajuukKhar said:Because I don't think Witcher is that good of game, GASP BLASPHEMY!!!!synobal said:Really? Why?
It felt like it was a throwback to the older days of RPGs but it contained mot of the PROBLEMS with old RPGs instead of most of the good things old RPGs had.
Also it tired WAY to hard to sell on sex, people say Bioware tried to sell Me2 on sex because of Miranda's suit and Me3 because Ashley let her hair down, but Witcher had sex cards.
It wasn't even tasteful either, at least in Me you had to somewhat work for it, in Witcher it was like
Random girl: wanna have sex?
Geralt: sure
It was like everything you could do wrong about sex in-game personified.
Valve games have no DRM.Rheinmetall said:Good point. I have some thoughts about Valve, since they are so much involved with DRM, but yeah, other than that they are always thoughtful of the gamers and careful not to offend them.
Nobody is expecting to get anything for free and they've already charged for almost all of the Left 4 Dead DLC, invalidating your argument.SajuukKhar said:valve would rather stick up for tier belief that people should get DLC fore free then compromise their integrity and sell out to the Mico$soft and $ony pay masters.Gorilla Gunk said:Gearbox and Bethesda come to mind as do Naughty Dog.
Valve only respects it's PC gamers. Their hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions of console gamers? We get the shaft every time. MS/Sony are only partially to blame but because they're gaming's sacred cow nobody is allowed to criticism them.
I've explained it here before, but I'll do it again, for some context:Elmoth said:Even if this is true, because I find it hard to believe there's no reaason, you're still only about 1 in a million and for that million everything works very well. Although I personally like steam, all the games I love I want to have physically.Iwata said:Valve, to anyone using them as an example, locked me out of my Steam account without explanation, and robbed me (there's no other word) of hundreds of ? worth of legaly bought games.
When I asked for a justification, I got none. Valve is the main reason I gave up PC gaming and lost all faith in digital gaming.
That is pretty much my own conclusion. I was the first on my gaming circle to sing the praises of Steam while everyone else was reluctant, and ironicaly, I was the one that got screwed.Acrisius said:What you're saying is something that have always worried me a lot, and it's a big reason I get frustrated whenever I hear and see all the praise that Steam and Valve get. I'm still positively inclined towards them, but it almost pisses me off that people won't acknowledge some pretty freaking major issues. And when Gabe Newell talks bullshit about providing good service and shit, nobody questions him about it. They just take his word for it and think "well hey, Steam is immensely successful, I guess that proves it then. Case closed!".