Game issues you're sick of hearing about
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Linearity as something bad. Especially for replayability.
Jim Sterling has made a Jimquisition episode on this, and I agree with his perspective. The lack of change in the content doesn't prevent us from enjoying books and movies more than once. Firstly, repeating a familiar good experience is still a good experience. It also helps internalizing it. Secondly, we can realize things that we ignored the first time through. Thirdly, we may gain new perspectives on that which we did realize.
The Nintendo first party titles do not change between instalments.
In the Jimquisition episode "Games' snake oil", Jim Sterling argued that we should not put innovation in a higher echelon than quality. Dismissing Zelda for not changing its core game experience every time is ignoring that that core has been refined over the years.
I don't see them that way though. They keep many elements intact, especially when it comes to visual themes, but change the game mechanics and story to a varying degree. In the Legend of Zelda series, having a green-clad protagonist named Link, a Master Sword, a Zelda who needs saving are elements in common, yet you can set that basic premisse in different scenarios, with different supporting characters and abilities.
Jim Sterling has made a Jimquisition episode on this, and I agree with his perspective. The lack of change in the content doesn't prevent us from enjoying books and movies more than once. Firstly, repeating a familiar good experience is still a good experience. It also helps internalizing it. Secondly, we can realize things that we ignored the first time through. Thirdly, we may gain new perspectives on that which we did realize.
The Nintendo first party titles do not change between instalments.
In the Jimquisition episode "Games' snake oil", Jim Sterling argued that we should not put innovation in a higher echelon than quality. Dismissing Zelda for not changing its core game experience every time is ignoring that that core has been refined over the years.
I don't see them that way though. They keep many elements intact, especially when it comes to visual themes, but change the game mechanics and story to a varying degree. In the Legend of Zelda series, having a green-clad protagonist named Link, a Master Sword, a Zelda who needs saving are elements in common, yet you can set that basic premisse in different scenarios, with different supporting characters and abilities.
The only issues I have with me is when Fox News or any other major news companies decide to talk about gaming in a very negative way.
Ooh, here's another one: lack of New Game+, and "replayability" in general.
To me, "replayability" is when a game is so much fun I want to play it again. That's it.
To me, "replayability" is when a game is so much fun I want to play it again. That's it.
Actually you misunderstood me. I quoted you to make a point and or joke that I previously made in my post before I quoted you. Saying "Games are too easy" I was pointing at a lot of other gamers not you specifically.DoctorObviously said:
This is the part where you laugh...
Its ok you don't have too. >_>
Dark Souls 2 - We get it, you were the best and the easy mode afflicts your outrageously high ego, now shut up!
Online passes - boo hoo, it's 10 dollars more out of your pocket which is still probably cheaper than if you bought the game brand new.
DRM - Yeah it's bad, but they gotta tweak the piece of shit to make it better, not just drop it and say, "Fuck it, pirate away".
Valve - They're a good company, but they are terrible in some areas and are definitely your sales person first and friend later.
EA - They're a great company that gets a lot of undeserved flak. Really people? EA is worse than bank of America? I'm glad I know where the worlds priorities are at where a game publisher whom may have changed a game in one way is worse than a company that literally makes people homeless.
Multiplayer - Don't like it, don't play it.
Micro transactions - They're not forcing you to buy shit, and they're not cutting content and making it a micro transaction either.
PC vs Console - WE GET IT! YOU KNOW THE RIGHT WAY OF KNOWING EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW.
Mass Effect 3 - Your opinion is subjective, not fact, realise this.
Sexism - Pendulum swings both ways, Lara Croft was just a big breasted sex object, Duke Nukem was just a beefed up douchebag, we're slowly getting better, give it some time and stop screaming.
Indie games are the future - Been on the Xbox Live Arcade recently?
WHY DIDN'T THEY LISTEN TO US? - Because companies don't peruse forums such as this one looking for critique onhow to improve.
Dragon Age 2 - Fine game, not great, but fine.
Misunderstanding the question - Please read carefully before you angrily bash your face on the keyboard and hurl insults my way.
Well I feel better now...might add some more later
Online passes - boo hoo, it's 10 dollars more out of your pocket which is still probably cheaper than if you bought the game brand new.
DRM - Yeah it's bad, but they gotta tweak the piece of shit to make it better, not just drop it and say, "Fuck it, pirate away".
Valve - They're a good company, but they are terrible in some areas and are definitely your sales person first and friend later.
EA - They're a great company that gets a lot of undeserved flak. Really people? EA is worse than bank of America? I'm glad I know where the worlds priorities are at where a game publisher whom may have changed a game in one way is worse than a company that literally makes people homeless.
Multiplayer - Don't like it, don't play it.
Micro transactions - They're not forcing you to buy shit, and they're not cutting content and making it a micro transaction either.
PC vs Console - WE GET IT! YOU KNOW THE RIGHT WAY OF KNOWING EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW.
Mass Effect 3 - Your opinion is subjective, not fact, realise this.
Sexism - Pendulum swings both ways, Lara Croft was just a big breasted sex object, Duke Nukem was just a beefed up douchebag, we're slowly getting better, give it some time and stop screaming.
Indie games are the future - Been on the Xbox Live Arcade recently?
WHY DIDN'T THEY LISTEN TO US? - Because companies don't peruse forums such as this one looking for critique onhow to improve.
Dragon Age 2 - Fine game, not great, but fine.
Misunderstanding the question - Please read carefully before you angrily bash your face on the keyboard and hurl insults my way.
Well I feel better now...might add some more later
PC elitism, it just strikes me as total pettiness in every regard. I game on PC and consoles, and I consider both sides to have their advantages, standing on a pedestal and acting like you're part of the golden race of gamers just makes you look like a spoiled brat who has to shove his toys in all the other kids faces.
"LOOK! MINE'S BETTER! SEE! SEE!"
It's fucking pathetic.
"LOOK! MINE'S BETTER! SEE! SEE!"
It's fucking pathetic.
"PC Master Race" and "Console Peasant." This is utterly stupid. It's about as bad, if not worse, than the "Hardcore Gamer and Casual Gamer" nonsense.
It shouldn't matter who plays what type of game and what their preferred method of playing it is. Some people prefer consoles, some people prefer handhelds, some people prefer PCs, some people even prefer their phones or tablets. Some people prefer difficult games, some people prefer easier games. Some people prefer something faster, hectic and intense, some people prefer slower, smoother and relaxed.
We're all different facets of the same culture. Different parts of the same whole that makes us as awesome as we are. Of course, we're not perfect, but it shouldn't matter what people prefer to play or how they prefer to play it. We're all gamers at heart and enjoy what we play, however we want to play it.
It's really, really sad that gamers can't accept one another simply because they enjoy their hobby in a different way. The gaming industry is over four decades old. I think it's high time we stopped acting like children.
It shouldn't matter who plays what type of game and what their preferred method of playing it is. Some people prefer consoles, some people prefer handhelds, some people prefer PCs, some people even prefer their phones or tablets. Some people prefer difficult games, some people prefer easier games. Some people prefer something faster, hectic and intense, some people prefer slower, smoother and relaxed.
We're all different facets of the same culture. Different parts of the same whole that makes us as awesome as we are. Of course, we're not perfect, but it shouldn't matter what people prefer to play or how they prefer to play it. We're all gamers at heart and enjoy what we play, however we want to play it.
It's really, really sad that gamers can't accept one another simply because they enjoy their hobby in a different way. The gaming industry is over four decades old. I think it's high time we stopped acting like children.
Hoorah for awesome grandmas! Mine still has a Sega Genesis at her house that I'll play once in a while when I visit. When my brother and I were kids, we'd watch her play Sonic the Hedgehog. We could hardly get halfway through the game, and here comes grandma blazing through the game, all 7 chaos emeralds in tow.AdonistheDark said:
jackdeesface said:
That was pretty concise, good work. Personally I don't really hate CoD and don't feel the need to because isn't targeted at my market (ie. sales of CoD do not necessarily mean sales of a game I may like are diminished), although I don't like its mechanics or story, that's a matter of personal choice.
I think the biggest game/forum feature I'm tried of hearing about is how tired people are of hearing something. No one forces you at gunpoint, at least I hope not anyway, to continue to listen or read someone's constant and incessant bitching. Games and forums, and social media sites, give you the tools to ignore these people so you never have to listen to them ever again. So if you find yourself continuing to be bothered by such individual's activities you really have only yourself to blame.
You are one of my favorite people right now. You took everything I could rage about and worded it brilliantly.bug_of_war said:
Need? Absolutely agree.BanicRhys said:
But would still try and milk us I think. The richer you are the greedier you are, it's just something that makes so little sense but it happens.
Ok, many people here have mentioned EA. Yes, it's getting on my nerves as well, mainly because it seems that it's now 'cool' to hate EA. Not to mention that some people hate them for all the wrong reasons (like releasing mediocre games or the ending of Mass Effect 3). Sure, there are plenty reasons to hate EA, and even though the hate has been getting ridiculously far-fetched and disproportional (to the point when people start bashing on everything that's even remotely connected to EA without as much as a trace of critical thought involved), maintaining a certain level of hate and criticism aimed at EA is a good thing, long as it's constructive criticism [http://inthepictures.wordpress.com/2013/04/15/how-ea-can-improve-their-public-image/] - I wrote that article because I thought that the hate was getting excessive but no one would actually suggest anything that could be done about it, people would just complain and little else.
That said, EA need to be put under pressure. Simply not buying their games is not going to solve anything. Remember Medal of Honor? That didn't sell particularly well, did it? Well it didn't make EA realise just how hated they are as a company. It didn't make them realise that the modern FPS market is severely over-saturated. Their interpretation of this failure was: unfair reviews, players not knowing how to play the game right and the development team being incompetent - in this order. Just not buying their games won't help. We need bitching and criticism.
That said, EA need to be put under pressure. Simply not buying their games is not going to solve anything. Remember Medal of Honor? That didn't sell particularly well, did it? Well it didn't make EA realise just how hated they are as a company. It didn't make them realise that the modern FPS market is severely over-saturated. Their interpretation of this failure was: unfair reviews, players not knowing how to play the game right and the development team being incompetent - in this order. Just not buying their games won't help. We need bitching and criticism.
I agreed with about everything you wrote but this small part. We need to critique, wholly agree with you there, but bitching is not the way to critique something. Our critique needs to be mature if we ever expect any publisher to take on board the criticism. Look at these to critiques:Johny_X2 said:
"The DRM and always online for Sim City caused my enjoyment for the game to fall dramatically. Had these issues been addressed I would have been able to enjoy the game much more and would have played for longer. In the end it is disappointing to see a developer produce a product that was incapable of working 1st day due to the servers being unable to handle a huge rush of players logging in."
"FUCK YOU EA! You ruined Sim City and you didn't listen to me when I wrote on this forum! You guys are idiots and I hope that you go out of business and never touch another developer again. This is all your fault!"
Now I realise I went on the two extremes and there, but this is literally what it will take to get someone to listen. You can't ***** and moan because it make you look like a petulant child. A well thought, easy to read constructed criticism says more to people than someone viciously tapping there keyboard.
well, by bitching I actually meant complaining in general.bug_of_war said:
as for the bitching bitching, I'm normally strongly opposed to that, I prefer debate and constructive criticism and yes, hearing people ***** at EA for no obvious (or a few REALLY retarded) reasons gets tiresome (especially when there are so many perfectly good reasons). Then again, it shows results more often than reasonable debate does. The 'playing chess with a pigeon' analogy comes to mind. Which is kind of sad but oh well.
Ah, okay. Thanks for clearing that up. I still think that we should try and act more mature, as most of the "complaining" I see is more along the lines of bitching. And while sometimes bitching works, most times it doesn't. Also, the bitching degrades the community as a whole as it makes people who play games look like children, and when you throw out statistics like, "Average gamer is 30" and then compare that to some of the complaints we see must give the general populace a really bad idea of what games do to people. I'm going on a leap here, but it may have some form of an effect on the opinions of big government people whom (in America) blame games for violence, (in Australia) halt the R18+ rating from coming in (but that's coming in now), and more. We should try and be more mature not just in complaining to publishers/developers, but to show the rest of the world that gamers are not children.Johny_X2 said:
Lol. Nice. You what I hate? People whining about other people whining. So instead of avoiding them I'm going to prove my point by whining in the whining thread about other people whining.Madman Muntz said:
For realz, if I could avoid some of these I would. I can't help it if a thread I'm interested in has a back in forth circle jerk of people complaining about these stupid things. Like when Bethesda announced that new horror game, I was interested in it but the entire comment thread was bull shit complaining about they're "clearly copying" other games and dumb fucks saying they didn't want a new IP and wanted a sequel to something. I wanted to find positive comments about the game so I kept looking through all that shit.
So yeah, if you think our complaints are petty why didn't you just "avoid" this thread in the first place?