Game of Thrones Season 7 discussion thread. (SPOILERS ABOUND)

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Apoligise then I realized I was rambling because of that one statment in your post said.

My initial statement was me lashing out at this reviewer I remember who criticized the Warcraft movie and uses Game of Thrones as a comparison against it.

But both Warcraft and Game of Thrones made me realize that there is no single person in the movie and television making buisness that can treat these properties the adaptions they truly deserve.

Like does everyone who writes for movies and TV just suck now?

Yeah Warcraft was pretty horrendous. Too much fan pandering while at the same time being a completely hapless adaptation. Suspect there was some studio/director power struggle there. Jones is a competent director but should probably stick to smaller, more personal fare.

As for movies and TV, there's plenty of excellent stuff out there. "Warcraft" and the current run of Game of Thrones aren't among them, but that's life. The source material for GoT was so hard to develop it's a miracle we got 3.5 decently watchable seasons and that the whole thing didn't crash and burn after the pilot.

Alright there is something else I wanna mention, you read the Silmarillion because I feel a TV series rout is the best method to adapt it. And I found this site to showcase an outline of how it would work:

https://silmarillionseries.com/

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Alright there is something else I wanna mention, you read the Silmarillion because I feel a TV series rout is the best method to adapt it. And I found this site to showcase an outline of how it would work:

https://silmarillionseries.com/

I haven't, no.

And after The Hobbit I think letting Tolkien rest for a while is probably in everyone's best interests.

If you want to get excited about a new fantasy property cross your fingers that Netflix doesn't shit the bed with The Witcher.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Alright there is something else I wanna mention, you read the Silmarillion because I feel a TV series rout is the best method to adapt it. And I found this site to showcase an outline of how it would work:

https://silmarillionseries.com/

I haven't, no.

And after The Hobbit I think letting Tolkien rest for a while is probably in everyone's best interests.

If you want to get excited about a new fantasy property cross your fingers that Netflix doesn't shit the bed with The Witcher.

The Hobbit movies is way better than anything Warcraft and Post Season 3 Game of Thrones does

 

[BloatedGuppy]

The Hobbit movies is way better than anything Warcraft and Post Season 3 Game of Thrones does

Getting hit in the head with a sack full of pennies is better than getting dragged naked across a field of broken glass, but that doesn't make either of those things time well spent.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

The Hobbit movies is way better than anything Warcraft and Post Season 3 Game of Thrones does

Getting hit in the head with a sack full of pennies is better than getting dragged naked across a field of broken glass, but that doesn't make either of those things time well spent.

DEBATE TIME!!!

I truly honestly believe the movie was paced fine with 3 movies and if this is Peter Jackson at his worse and has not had any prep-time than jeez I truly believe the man is incapable of doing anything wrong.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

DEBATE TIME!!!

I truly honestly believe the movie was paced fine with 3 movies and if this is Peter Jackson at his worse and has not had any prep-time than jeez I truly believe the man is incapable of doing anything wrong.

People "truly honestly believe" a lot of crazy shit. The Hobbit films are terrible. They almost drove McKellan out of acting and Jackson is largely apologetic about them. They're not "Star Wars prequel" bad but given the pedigree they were huge disappointments.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

DEBATE TIME!!!

I truly honestly believe the movie was paced fine with 3 movies and if this is Peter Jackson at his worse and has not had any prep-time than jeez I truly believe the man is incapable of doing anything wrong.

People "truly honestly believe" a lot of crazy shit. The Hobbit films are terrible. They almost drove McKellan out of acting and Jackson is largely apologetic about them. They're not "Star Wars prequel" bad but given the pedigree they were huge disappointments.

How do you think the movies could have worked as a single movie without feeling rushed than because imo the book itself is bloated?

 

[BloatedGuppy]

How do you think the movies could have worked as a single movie without feeling rushed than?

They didn't need to be made at all, and having Jackson make them was an error in judgment.

The Hobbit is a complete tonal departure from LOTR, to say nothing of a fraction of the length. Trying to engineer it into a tentpole trilogy was sheer studio greed.

 

[balladbird]

Yeah, the Ellaria scene fell so flat. I pretty much hate everything about Cersei, so any scene that has me tacitly supporting her is a sign of failed intentions on the part of the writers.

I felt decently bad for the random, unnamed daughter, I guess, but Ellaria herself? As a much better villain in a much better television series once expressed to his own helpless prisoner: "This is what comes of 'blood for blood'"

Didn't hate the rest of the episode as much as as some have, but the speed with which the series it tying up its loose ends as it steamrolls to its climax has me a little burned out. I mean, infecting Jorah with zombie plague so he could lament it for a few eps, then have it magically cured over the course of one (admittedly well-disturbing) scene? seems somewhat abrupt... but after the season 6 finale I'm used to abrupt plot resolutions in this show.

Oh! One other complaint I have for this episode: Both the scene with Jon Snow explaining the white walkers and the scene with Bran explaining the 3-eyed raven made me cringe so hard. Seriously, people in westeros need to start preventatively teaching their children how to explain hard-to-believe truths in a manner that doesn't make you seem like a madman.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Yeah, the Ellaria scene fell so flat. I pretty much hate everything about Cersei, so any scene that has me tacitly supporting her is a sign of failed intentions on the part of the writers.

I felt decently bad for the random, unnamed daughter, I guess, but Ellaria herself? As a much better villain in a much better television series once expressed to his own helpless prisoner: "This is what comes of 'blood for blood'"

Didn't hate the rest of the episode as much as as some have, but the speed with which the series it tying up its loose ends as it steamrolls to its climax has me a little burned out. I mean, infecting Jorah with zombie plague so he could lament it for a few eps, then have it magically cured over the course of one (admittedly well-disturbing) scene? seems somewhat abrupt... but after the season 6 finale I'm used to abrupt plot resolutions in this show.

Oh! One other complaint I have for this episode: Both the scene with Jon Snow explaining the white walkers and the scene with Bran explaining the 3-eyed raven made me cringe so hard. Seriously, people in westeros need to start preventatively teaching their children how to explain hard-to-believe truths in a manner that doesn't make you seem like a madman.

So far Jorah getting Greyscale is only done as a way to get him into Westeros, what are they gonna do with him now I believe they are gonna set up conflict with Jorah and Jon Snow because people think Jon and Dany are gonna get shipped together and what better way to add conflict to that than a very jealous Jorah?

Also how would you explain to people that Demons from Hell exists and walks in the physical world without coming off as a Madman?

 

[DaCosta]

When Jon was asking Tyrion "Do you think I'm a liar? Or a madman?"

To his defense, I was thinking he wasn't a person interesting enough to come up with a story like that either.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Would Robert Baratheon kill Jon Snow if he finds out he's the son of Lyanna and Rheagar?

The one thing that would stop him is the fact that he is Lyanna's son and by physical apperence looks nothing like Rheagar.

Lets just say could it work like Harry Potter and Severus Snape?

 

[happyninja42]

Can I just say I am glad Jon Snow is taking a more active role, he sure came a long way from the "You know nothing Jon Snow" shy young teen from the early seasons. Now he talks more often and with more assertiveness.

Almost like there's a thing called a character arc that involves growth

OT:

So, what is the relationship gap between Jon and Danny? Are they distantly related enough to be able to marry? Because I can see that kind of marital paring (for political reasons alone if nothing else, but also for the bloodline), but I don't recall how they are related. Are they first cousins? 2nd cousins?

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Can I just say I am glad Jon Snow is taking a more active role, he sure came a long way from the "You know nothing Jon Snow" shy young teen from the early seasons. Now he talks more often and with more assertiveness.

Almost like there's a thing called a character arc that involves growth

OT:

So, what is the relationship gap between Jon and Danny? Are they distantly related enough to be able to marry? Because I can see that kind of marital paring (for political reasons alone if nothing else, but also for the bloodline), but I don't recall how they are related. Are they first cousins? 2nd cousins?

Technically his Aunt.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Can I say of all the things that bothered me this episode, the one above all is the gratuitous sex scene with Jaime and Cersei?

I mean I find this more disturbing than the one that happened at Joffery's funeral.

Mostly because Jaime should be a changed man at this point and should have started realizing how sick Cersei really is. I mean he said he would kill Tyrion for killing his father and yet Cersei is responsible for killing his Uncle, Cousin, and driving their last son to suicide.

And all the things about him being a changed man that he strives to be a better person. I feel this sex scene is just wrong in a narretive context and from a character context I mean seeing Cersei wanting to blow Jaime's dick just feels....out of charcater for her.

 

[Terminal Blue]

I think a big problem which the show has (which also exists in the books but is more subtle) is that noone can decide how big anything is. According to the books, Westeros is like.. the size of the continent of North America, but in terms of character and troop movements its generally treated like it's the size of the British isles. In America-sized Westeros, it makes sense that the Lannisters simultaneously have no troops and loads of troops, because any troop movements are going to take months if not years to orchestrate and even armies of tens of thousands will represent only a fraction of the population which could be levied, but both the books and show selectively shrink the scale when they need to get a character or army from A to B.

I mean, sure, it's a minor point in a world where noone should be alive because the idea of living through multiple years of winter with medieval technology is incredibly silly to begin with, but it is worth bearing in mind that the books aren't blameless in this regard.

Are they distantly related enough to be able to marry?

Dany herself is the child of two married siblings..

Dynastic incest was normal among Targaryens, which may be why they're so prone to insanity.

 

[happyninja42]

Are they distantly related enough to be able to marry?

Dany herself is the child of two married siblings..

Dynastic incest was normal among Targaryens, which may be why they're so prone to insanity.

Oh I'm familiar with incest in royalty, in real life and in SoIaF. I just couldn't remember what their direct relation was. I tend to tune out when bloodlines begin to be discussed, as I have very little interest in it.

 

[Hawki]

Also, is Vale still remaining neutral in the war, or have they joined forces with the North?

The latter, as I understand.

The reason why Game of Thrones is more popular because it attracted geek culture with its fantasy setting (Even though the fantasy is increadibly downplayed) and better marketing of tits and action.

I'd disagree there. I'd say GoT is successful because it was able to appeal to fantasy and non-fantasy fans. The former gets to see the show avoid tropes and subvert expectations associated with the genre. The latter, who might have been put off by elves and dwarves and whatnot, would find GoT more accessible than other fantasy series, since the fantasy is toned down in comparison to other settings.

But both Warcraft and Game of Thrones made me realize that there is no single person in the movie and television making buisness that can treat these properties the adaptions they truly deserve.

Like does everyone who writes for movies and TV just suck now?

Oh come on that's hyperbole. No adaptation is going to be 100% faithful, and you're shooting yourself in the foot if you try. I'd rather an adaptation be good first and foremost. Loyalty to the source material is nice, but really just a bonus.

The Hobbit movies is way better than anything Warcraft and Post Season 3 Game of Thrones does

What's wrong with season 4? I've seen the first four seasons of GoT, and didn't see anything wrong with it.

I truly honestly believe the movie was paced fine with 3 movies and if this is Peter Jackson at his worse and has not had any prep-time than jeez I truly believe the man is incapable of doing anything wrong.

My take on The Hobbit films:

-First Movie: Too slow, like butter, being scraped over too much bread.

-Second Movie: Just right.

-Third Movie: The results of trying to extend the last few chapters of a book into a whole movie.

That said, I think all three Hobbit movies are "good," at the end of the day, even though the last one is toeing the line between "good" and "average." Are they as good as Lord of the Rings? No. Are they good, enjoyable movies in their own right? IMO, yes.

Would Robert Baratheon kill Jon Snow if he finds out he's the son of Lyanna and Rheagar?

The one thing that would stop him is the fact that he is Lyanna's son and by physical apperence looks nothing like Rheagar.

Ned might have also stepped in. Aside from that? 50/50 - love of Lyanna vs. hatred for the Targaryens. But I could see a Severeus/Harry-esque relationship developing.

So, what is the relationship gap between Jon and Danny? Are they distantly related enough to be able to marry?

According to shippers, the answer has been "yes" for years. ;p

 

[DrownedAmmet]

Okay, y'all are killing it in taking down this most recent episode.
I just wanted to add that listening to D&D talk about how the Tyrells are bad at combat because they're sigil was a flower just shows how moronic they are. Loras Tyrell was like the second greatest swordsman of his time because being good at swords and being gay and liking flowers are not mutually exclusive you stupid fucks

 

[bastardofmelbourne]

So, what is the relationship gap between Jon and Danny? Are they distantly related enough to be able to marry? Because I can see that kind of marital paring (for political reasons alone if nothing else, but also for the bloodline), but I don't recall how they are related. Are they first cousins? 2nd cousins?

She's his aunt.

Daenaerys' father was Aerys II, who went crazy and prompted a rebellion. Aerys' eldest son and heir was Rhaegar Targaryen, who "abducted" Ned Stark's sister Lyanna, who was betrothed to Robert. Jon was the potentially-illegitimate child of Lyanna and Rhaegar, so Daenaerys is Jon's aunt despite being younger than him by a few months.

Would Robert Baratheon kill Jon Snow if he finds out he's the son of Lyanna and Rheagar?

Ned Stark hid Jon precisely because he was afraid of this happening. Robert was a morally complex character, as shown by his decision to send an assassin after Daenaerys. It's implied that his relationship with Lyanna wasn't as idyllic as he remembers it.

It's possible that Robert may have been convinced to spare him, but uncertain enough that Ned was justified in hiding his parentage.

Also, is Vale still remaining neutral in the war, or have they joined forces with the North?

That's another goddamn plot hole...months are passing while armies get shuttled back and forth around an entire continent, but news about the Vale's defection has apparently not reached King's Landing, nor has the Vale done anything against the Lannisters.

I'd say something about how the Freys dying has left the Riverlands leaderless, but I'm pretty sure everyone in the Riverlands is dead already.