Game of Thrones Season 7 discussion thread. (SPOILERS ABOUND)
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Inbreeding can indeed (atleast in Martin's story) be the cause of Targ madness, though I believe the environment can also be the cause of it. Aerys was said to have been a promising heir to Iron Throne when he was younger. Then he was kidnapped for what, months? a year? That made him more unstable than before.inu-kun said:
I also believe that no matter what family had gained the Iron Throne, there would've been rulers ranging from not only sane and mad, but also bad, good, weak, charismatic, dominant, sadistic, pious and noble ones too. Excatly like the Targaryen dynasty.
First, Davos in the show doesn't make much sense past S4. Right now he's just a good guy who immediately recognized that Jon Snow is the most important person ever and for some odd reason thought that he could be brought back from the dead after his murder despite only meeting the guy once. That said, you've got some thing wrong. Davos has a wife, at least in the books, whose alive and well. He just doesn't go home because he's busy trying to fight for Stannis and what not. He also has other younger sons in the books but the show makes clear he only had adult sons and they are all dead. As for his knighthood, Davos is still a Knight regardless of anything that happens to Stannis. Any Knight can make a Knight, is how the saying goes. Of course, that also includes Lords and Kings. Davos was knighted by Stannis during Robert's Rebellion for his actions in helping smuggle onions into Storm's End. That Knighthood is for life and doesn't evaporate with the death of whomever knighted him. Theoretically a King or Queen could strip him of his title as a knight but I can't recall a single instance of this ever happening in the history of ASOIAF. Typically someone who runs that far afoul of a King simply loses their land or office, you don't strip them of their actual nobility. It's why Jaimie Lanniser is still Ser Jaimie Lannister despite killing his King. But, back to your original question, Davos knows about the Army of the Dead. I think anyone in that situation would try and help someone like Jon Snow, a dude who literally rose from the dead, to fight them back.bastardofmelbourne said:
As to the rest of your points, I agree the show is just full of these dumb moments now. This is what happens when you get ahead of the books and have to rely on your own original writing. Unfortunately, the show creators suck at writing their own original stuff. Just look at Ellaria Sand, nothing about her makes sense. NOTHING. And, her recent capture makes even less sense. None of the stuff involving Dorne happened in the books because it literally makes zero sense. Ellaria Sand, the bastard paramour of Oberyn Martell, conspires with her daughter and the rest of Oberyn's bastards to kill the Prince of Dorne, their uncle. Okay, so right off the bat she and the rest of the Sand Snakes have just committed the most heinous crime in all of Westeros, kinslaying. This is NOT something to brush off lightly, while death and murder are about in ASOIAF they still have laws, rules, and superstitions. Kinslaying, the killing of someone of your own blood, is considered just about the worst thing you can do. It doesn't matter if they are a prick to you, it doesn't even matter if they raise up arms against you. You're not supposed to kill them. It's why Tyrion killing his father was such a big deal and why Stannis "killing" Renly was a big event, though Stannis doesn't believe he actually committed the deed.
But, back to Dorne, so Ellaria and the Sand Snakes commit the worst crime ever by killing their Prince and his Household guards and then, she what? Crowns herself ruler of Dorne? How does that work? Ellaria has NO claim to the Seat of House Martell, hell I don't even think she has noble blood. And yet, she crowns herself the ruler of Dorne and NOBODY not within House Martell or even any of the other noble Houses of Dorne oppose her? WHAT?! After she just murdered her liege lord and Prince through kinslaying?! This is why I say the show makes zero sense, apparently in their world you can murder anybody you want free of consequences and everyone will be cool with that and just follow along. If this were the books Ellaria and the Sand Snakes would have been murdered by the household guards of House Martell for their deeds, no one would follow a bunch of self confessed kinslayers of bastard blood.
Of course, this leads us to the question concerning last episode, what does kidnapping Ellaria accomplish? If this were the books and they had captured Doran Martell the story would be different, they could hold him hostage and in doing so prevent the armies of Dorne from descending down upon them. This is a common tactic of the time. But, why would any noble House within Dorone be loyal to Ellaria? If anything they should be attempting to claim the seat of Sunspear for themselves, no doubt several of them will likely have noble blood ties to the seat through intermarriage with the Martells over generations. Kidnapping Ellaria should accomplish nothing, but hey it's the show so who knows what they'll cook up. And, of course Tyrion working with the self-confessed killer of his innocent little niece is just pure lol worthy.
^ There is a reason why they kidnnaped Ellaria, its so that Cersei can murder-fuck her for killing her daughter. Even though Ellaria did that in revenge against Cersei for killing Oberyn.
Though Cersei didn't really kill him. Oberyn willingly went into a dual, made the choice to start fooling around and then let his guard down which led to his brutal death. Cersei is actually largely innocent in this matter which is what makes Ellaria such a poor character.Samtemdo8 said:
How much does Littlefinger know about Jon Snow's actual origins?
Because there are some theories for the show that Littlefinger will find out about Jon Snow's true heritage of being half Targaryan and use it against him by manipulating this information to make the North turn against Jon.
Because there are some theories for the show that Littlefinger will find out about Jon Snow's true heritage of being half Targaryan and use it against him by manipulating this information to make the North turn against Jon.
I'm still pissed about this, in the books she was the one who was trying to TEMPER the Sand Snakes, the one who was trying to talk them down from violent actions. Hell, Oberyn's niece tried to CROWN Cersei's daughter.Hades said:
Dorne was a lot less stupid in the books.
Did they just ripped off V for Vendetta?!
And Dany seriously you are starting shame the Targaryan name, Aegon the Conquerer is rolling in his grave at your poor performance so far.
And Dany seriously you are starting shame the Targaryan name, Aegon the Conquerer is rolling in his grave at your poor performance so far.
Awwwwwwwwww shit!
Now we're getting into the fun part of Thrones and why we tolerate the buildup episodes. They build up into greatness.
Another buildup episode but we're starting to see the edges of payoff as a few players go down. I'm still not terribly happy with how they handled Theon but I am still willing to give them the chance to make it worth my love and devotion.
Now we're getting into the fun part of Thrones and why we tolerate the buildup episodes. They build up into greatness.
Another buildup episode but we're starting to see the edges of payoff as a few players go down. I'm still not terribly happy with how they handled Theon but I am still willing to give them the chance to make it worth my love and devotion.
She already lost 3 Armies.tippy2k2 said:
The Greyjoys, Dornish, and Tyrells have been one-shotted. And so far this has been quite the poor invasion of Westeros.
Can I just say I am glad Jon Snow is taking a more active role, he sure came a long way from the "You know nothing Jon Snow" shy young teen from the early seasons. Now he talks more often and with more assertiveness.
I'm not sure how I feel about the Tyrells getting defeated so easily. Isn't it rather out of character for everyone involved?
The Tyrells are supposed to be one of the stronger realms in Westeros. Tywin called them the only real rival of the Lannisters, Robert got his single defeat by their hand, their numbers made even Renly a serious contender and the Tyrells are led by the only person to be on something resembling equal footing with Tywin.
The Lannisters on the other hand are led by Cersei who is portrayed as rather incompetent and short sighed. Where did she suddenly get the competence to completely steamroll the entire Reach. I suppose Jaime did have a solid tactic.
And is it wrong that I have zero sympathy for the horrible fate inflicted on Elleria and the sand siblings? I mean, they did murder their entire family because they couldn't wrap their head around Oberyn willingly entering a fight and dying because he kept goofing around.
The Tyrells are supposed to be one of the stronger realms in Westeros. Tywin called them the only real rival of the Lannisters, Robert got his single defeat by their hand, their numbers made even Renly a serious contender and the Tyrells are led by the only person to be on something resembling equal footing with Tywin.
The Lannisters on the other hand are led by Cersei who is portrayed as rather incompetent and short sighed. Where did she suddenly get the competence to completely steamroll the entire Reach. I suppose Jaime did have a solid tactic.
And is it wrong that I have zero sympathy for the horrible fate inflicted on Elleria and the sand siblings? I mean, they did murder their entire family because they couldn't wrap their head around Oberyn willingly entering a fight and dying because he kept goofing around.
I've been out of the loop of Game of Thrones, but I've kept up where I can. From what I understand, Dany's invasion of Westeros has become a FUBAR because she refuses to use her dragons, and that's led to the Lannisters being able to outmanauver all their foes. Fair enough.
But I'd like to ask where the Lannisters are getting all their men from anyway. I was under the impression that while they effectively won the war (in as much as Stannis and Robb being defeated), their own forces were severely mauled, while the Tyrells at least were relatively unscathed, and the Martells entirely unscathed prior to Oberyn's death. So even if Jaime is the best tactician in Westeros, I'd have thought that they just wouldn't have the manpower for this sort of thing. Stannis himself said that nine times out of ten, the army with the higher number of soldiers wins.
Did I miss something?
But I'd like to ask where the Lannisters are getting all their men from anyway. I was under the impression that while they effectively won the war (in as much as Stannis and Robb being defeated), their own forces were severely mauled, while the Tyrells at least were relatively unscathed, and the Martells entirely unscathed prior to Oberyn's death. So even if Jaime is the best tactician in Westeros, I'd have thought that they just wouldn't have the manpower for this sort of thing. Stannis himself said that nine times out of ten, the army with the higher number of soldiers wins.
Did I miss something?
I swear Euron just feels so out of place in this world...like jeez its like I am not seeing a charcater but just the actor hamming it up.