Game of Thrones Season 7 discussion thread. (SPOILERS ABOUND)

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Well another year, another Game of Thrones season. In 1 hour as of this post the new episode will begin.

I will say this though, recent months has started to lower my opinion of the TV series especially how much they changed the books to the point of the ruining of charcaters, I think what convinced me fully was Stannis' fate in the show at how much of an out of character incompetent he was. It only drives me to read the books even more.

But I have no money to buy the books and even than I am still waiting for the next one to come out to start buying. So the show is all I have at the moment.

So last time in the series, Jon Snow is King in the North and through Bran's dreams its revealed he is the son of Lyanna Stark and possibly Rheagar Targaryan, Ramsey is dead, Littlefinger is clearly trying to cause conflict between Jon and Sansa. Arya is back in Westeros and killed Walder Fray.

Cersei is now Queen of all Westeros with an Iron Fist. Dany is finally sailing to Westeros with an army to challenge Cersei.

And Bran is also heading back but the White Walkers are on his tail. Winter will come at last.

Who knows what the fuck will happen this season

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

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Bull fucking shit do you expect me to believe Arya managed to pull off acting like Walder Fray, I can get her trying to act like another young female, but jeez and wasn't it enough you killed Walder Fray, now your just being just as evil as them

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

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Well they are setting up an alliance with Dany and Jon because Samwell is going to message Jon about huge ores Dragonglass within Dragonstone and Jon needs weapons made of Dragonglass to combat the White Walkers and thier undead minions and Dany has set up a base of operations in Dragonstone. Fire and Ice will meet at last apperently so I am getting the impression that both Dany and Jon are "The Song of Ice and Fire"

 

[Kolby Jack]

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Bull fucking shit do you expect me to believe Arya managed to pull off acting like Walder Fray, I can get her trying to act like another young female, but jeez and wasn't it enough you killed Walder Fray, now your just being just as evil as them

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It's almost as if she was trained by a group of assassins in the art of impersonation or something. As for being just as evil as them... yeah. It's kind of Arya's whole arc that she's become a cold-blooded killer. But at least so far she's just killing people who are irredeemable already.

Also, woulda been nice of you to put spoiler tags in the title so we don't have to tag everything ourselves.

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As for Dany and Jon, I doubt they'll be forming an alliance anytime soon. Daenerys is somewhat of a ***** with a huge chip on her shoulder and she knows NOTHING about the White Walkers. She's well-intentioned and noble, but also extremely arrogant and assured of her right to rule. I bet that to her, Jon Snow being "King of the North" makes him as much of a traitor in her eyes as he is in Cersei's. So maybe Jon will try to appeal to reason with her, but I doubt she'll give him anything unless he bends the knee to her, which he won't do since the North would abandon him. It's a sticky situation for sure.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

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As for Dany and Jon, I doubt they'll be forming an alliance anytime soon. Daenerys is somewhat of a ***** with a huge chip on her shoulder and she knows NOTHING about the White Walkers. She's well-intentioned and noble, but also extremely arrogant and assured of her right to rule. I bet that to her, Jon Snow being "King of the North" makes him as much of a traitor in her eyes as he is in Cersei's. So maybe Jon will try to appeal to reason with her, but I doubt she'll give him anything unless he bends the knee to her, which he won't do since the North would abandon him. It's a sticky situation for sure.

Don't forget

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Tyrion and Varris. Tyrion knows Jon, and Varris knows that Ned was against Robert assassinating Daenerys. They can both kinda vouch for the Stark family.

 

[Chimpzy_v1legacy]

Also, did I hear correctly that Dany brought tens of thousands of rapists into Westeros?

Well yeah, she brought an army of Dothraki with her. It's been pretty well established what Dothraki do: murder, pillage and rape. Not that other factions' armies are that much more 'civilized' when push comes to shove.

'Cept the Unsullied maybe, since they lack the proper equipment.

 

[Zhukov]

Also, did I hear correctly that Dany brought tens of thousands of rapists into Westeros?

Otherwise known as "a medieval army", yes.

'Cept the Unsullied maybe, since they lack the proper equipment.

I can't remember if it ever came up in the show but in the books it's specifically mentioned that not only do they not rape, they're so disciplined that they also don't burn and pillage unless ordered to.

 

[wizzy555]

'Cept the Unsullied maybe, since they lack the proper equipment.

I can't remember if it ever came up in the show but in the books it's specifically mentioned that not only do they not rape, they're so disciplined that they also don't burn and pillage unless ordered to.

They would make sense for such a strict slave system, can't let them get ideas like owning things they've pillaged.

All in all a very boring episode, standard for the first one.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

'Cept the Unsullied maybe, since they lack the proper equipment.

I can't remember if it ever came up in the show but in the books it's specifically mentioned that not only do they not rape, they're so disciplined that they also don't burn and pillage unless ordered to.

They would make sense for such a strict slave system, can't let them get ideas like owning things they've pillaged.

All in all a very boring episode, standard for the first one.

I just hope each episode progresses instead of wasting time with Filler, the Samwell Tarly parts of the Episode was utter filler until the end he made progress.

 

[Saelune]

Also, did I hear correctly that Dany brought tens of thousands of rapists into Westeros?

They have well-established that rape is common everywhere. When under siege at one point, Cersei tells Sansa how all the women they are with hiding in the castle will all be badly raped if the defense fails.

Brienne almost gets raped when she and Jaime are captured by Bolton until Jaime tricks them (though Brienne fought back despite Jaime telling her to just let it happen so it wont be as bad)

 

[wizzy555]

Also, did I hear correctly that Dany brought tens of thousands of rapists into Westeros?

They have well-established that rape is common everywhere. When under siege at one point, Cersei tells Sansa how all the women they are with hiding in the castle will all be badly raped if the defense fails.

Brienne almost gets raped when she and Jaime are captured by Bolton until Jaime tricks them (though Brienne fought back despite Jaime telling her to just let it happen so it wont be as bad)

True but in the Westerosi system it's frowned upon, in the Dothraki system it's mandatory.

 

[Cycloptomese]

That seemed like a lot of navel gazing. Other than the very beginning, it just seemed like a bunch of establishing of settings and people in locations and stakes, most of which was already previously established. Almost nothing happened. It turns out that I'd been waiting all of this time for next week's episode... Hopefully.

 

[Remus]

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The farmer and his daughter died. Guess Sandor shouldn't have taken their last silver back in season 3.
But Sandor sees dead people by the Wall now so guess where the Brotherhood is going.
Turns out the secret behind Valyrian steel is a mountain of dragonglass. Likely every sword the Targaryens had forged was naturally infused with the stuff. I'll just bet that the producers made a dare for the FX people - how many disgusting ways can you make fake shit? Must've been fun. There should be a blooper reel showing all the rejected samples, like Captain America's PSAs but shit.

This was largely a setup episode. But a good setup episode. Jon telling the northern folk, well the southern northern folk, that walkers exist and they're gonna need tons of dragonglass. Plus arm the wives, arm the children, make every person a living weapon because nobody's safe! By doing this the North will be nigh uninvadeable in the future if a 10 yr old can wield a sword with some skill. That's one hell of a legacy Jon Snow.

I half-expected to see Hodor among the giants marching in the undead ranks. Maybe that will be for later - blue eyed Hodor with a f'd up face and no nose. But it's nice to see Ian Whyte still working. The show can always use a giant or three. I miss him as Wun Wun though. He was Jon's Hulk, beside Captain Stabsinfaceandfucksbears.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

On the next episode:


Jeez already Jon wishes to side with Dany, how fast and far can a Raven fly in Westeros?

 

[Kolby Jack]

Hey, I just thought of something. Part of the reason the White Walkers never assaulted the Wall is that there are anti-WW enchantments built into it, right? I believe that was mentioned at one point. I assume they are of similar power to the enchantments that kept the Walkers out of the Three-eyed Raven's home, since the Children of the Forest helped build the wall.

But... the Walkers were able to get into the Three-eyed Raven's home after the Night King marked Bran Stark. I assume Bran still is marked, and now he's just gone back south of the wall. Did... Did Bran just fuck everything up? Again? He's really not a good savior/wizard/messiah thing.

 

[DaCosta]

Turns out the secret behind Valyrian steel is a mountain of dragonglass. Likely every sword the Targaryens had forged was naturally infused with the stuff.

If that's the explanation the show is going with it's pretty retarded. The knowledge of how to make valyrian steel was lost with Valyria. The Targaryens never made any valyrian steel swords, they didn't know how to. Also the mountain of dragonglass is half a world away from the place that made valyrian steel.

 

[Thunderous Cacophony]

Turns out the secret behind Valyrian steel is a mountain of dragonglass. Likely every sword the Targaryens had forged was naturally infused with the stuff.

If that's the explanation the show is going with it's pretty retarded. The knowledge of how to make valyrian steel was lost with Valyria. The Targaryens never made any valyrian steel swords, they didn't know how to. Also the mountain of dragonglass is half a world away from the place that made valyrian steel.

The wording (from the book Samwell was reading) was that the Targaryens used to decorate their weapons with dragonglass, without knowing what the First Men used it for. Adoption of cultural aesthetic, not conscious empowerment of blades. Valyrian steel continues to have nothing to do with dragonglass, unless proven otherwise (though I will note that there's nothing saying that Valyria doesn't also have lots of obsidian, considering that it's also a volcanic area).

Yeah, Dotharki revel in it, if not having their whole economy based on it. Even if we say they are only "as bad" as otehr armies, they mainly pillage for their economy and can violently splinter once their overlord is dead.

Honestly the whole horde idea is going to fall apart when the Dothraki realise that they can't just show up, kill everyone who resists, steal everything not nailed down, rape everything that is or is not nailed down, take the new slaves a couple hundred miles and sell them on. They are not prepared to fight a war where they cannot despoil or profit from it in their traditional way (more than one Eurasian steppe people met their ends in China when they proved incapable of learning that lesson, which usually happened when they expanded too fast and didn't have a couple generations of rubbing elbows with the Chinese and learning how settled people conduct warfare).