Gamers and Entitlement Issues

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squid5580

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squid5580 said:
There is the whole patch included in the DLC thing to fix griefing. That IMO is a good reason to be pissed off.
I will admit, I can see why people might be pissed off about that. On the other hand, that's the only pack who's price is still TBA, so who knows, it could be free.
Or the patch could just be coming at the same time but not included. Who knows. I just think that tying any patch to a DLC pack and telling us about it is poor marketing. Since that means if the DLC gets delayed the patch does as well. Or if the patch gets finished first we gotta wait. And Iknow I sounded entitled when I say this but I bought it and I expect it to work the way it is supposed to. And if they gotta patch it that better be #1 priority.
 

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I can answer your question about whether or not this is unreasonable with one simple example:

EVE Online

Just do a quick search on exactly how much content has been added FOR FREE in each of the past 13 expansions.

Is it possible, therefore, for companies (not all of them obviously, just the efficient and well-run ones) to provide large amounts of content for free? Yes.

Does expecting the same from all companies make gamers 'self-entitled pricks'? No, it just makes them less content with the offerings at these companies.

Something that happens, by the way, to be the very mechanism driving capitalist, free-market economies.
EVE Online is a bad example. Since that is an MMO and your paying monthly fees, you honestly SHOULD be expecting "free" content on a regular basis.

Now a better example would be Team Fortress 2. That game receives a ludicrous amount of free content, and yet it has no monthly fee, which is just grand.

Do I expect/demand this from all companies? Nope, I understand that Valve is an exception, and I am just fine paying $10 for each of those rather cool sounding DLC packs for RDR, just as I was willing to buy all 5 $10 DLC packs for Fallout 3.
 

The Austin

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Personally, I don't give two shits about the cost, I just hop they don't take up much memory.
 

rsvp42

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It's simple. People prefer to get things for free. If they don't, they like to rant about it to their friends and on forums and come up with justification for why they shouldn't have to pay. Sometimes, it hard. Like it's hard to justify expecting a car dealership to give you a free car, even though we all would love that. However, DLC is more of a grey area, so it's easier to come up with justification and we hear it more often.

Ultimately, the only choice a consumer has is to buy or not buy. I don't see the point in complaining and trying to forum-post a company into giving stuff away. That'd be like picketing a Best Buy until they gave us free TVs...
 

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I think entitlement is one of the biggest problem the world is beginning to face and will eventually take on full force. I am part of this generation, and I find myself routinely shamed by the behavior of my peers and at the same time I struggle to try to keep myself from succumbing to it. I'd like to think I hold myself to a high standard, but every once in a while I say something that haunts me later and I realize that I'm not separate from the rest of my generation, and that many of the problems I rage against I actually have myself. I just want to start out by saying that in most cases entitlement is a big problem.

That being said, I think the way DLC is being offered nowadays is very insidious and manipulative, almost like game companies are trying to subtly return us to the days where we had to pay coins for fun at the arcade.

The problem with coins for fun at the arcade is that it gave game companies an incentive to make it virtually impossible to get through a game without shelling out a small fortune, and you often see this in arcade games--they are full of unbelievably hard parts that are almost impossible to get through without paying, either paying for continues or paying for your own home machine so you can practice enough. And the brilliant part is that, because a big reason people play games is to be challenged, it is easy to disguise the difficulty. There are many people who like arcade games simply because they are really hard.

When games moved out of the arcade, this incentive disappeared, and in fact many games today are almost insultingly easy. People feel that if they're going to shell out $50 or $60 for a game then they had damn well better be able to finish it.

But with the increase in multiplayer, this incentive has returned, but with an even nastier edge to it, because now it's not just an unthinking machine you're competing against. It's other humans. It's an entire community of jerks who talk trash and hold performance in the game as a substantial portion of their self worth. The problem with DLC in multiplayer is that it basically means whoever spends the most money gets to win. And it gives game companies an incentive to make it work that way. Think about it--if you spent money on the DLC you would be annoyed if the deadbeats who didn't spend anything could still win just as easily, right? You'd want to get your money's worth. But what if you don't have the money to spend on DLC? You've already shelled out for the game, but over time your ability to play it diminishes because you're not keeping up with everyone else. It's a situation that is not really conducive to good, clean fun. It invokes jealousy, anger, and a lot of rather unpleasant emotions, all because of a silly game.

You need only look at what has become of Magic: The Gathering to see how much ugliness can result when a profit-seeking entity realizes that it can make more money by appealing to peoples' nastier emotions. Ultimately, it's not of earth-shattering importance, since it is all just games. But it can still be sad to see a hobby you love succumb to jerks and jerky behavior.
 

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Honestly, I HATE DLC...don't knwo why and it's probably not a good reason but I am so reluctant to shell out more money for a game I already paid 60 bucks for.

Most of them really don't seem worth it. 10 bucks for a few hours of gameplay ...no thanks. Some games with all the DLC approach the $100 mark.

Although, Bungie have Bethesda have been known to win over my pockets after a while
 

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People just get the feeling that these companies are trying to nickel and dime them rather than giving them something worthwhile. People can complain all they want that gamers feel entitled but look at some of the ridiculous stunts that have been pulled with DLC during this cycle. Look at DA: Orgins and withholding the item chest for no good reason. Bioware knows damn well that DA is a loot-hording game and they decided that they were going to stick the item chest in a non-free dlc package presumably to entice people to buy the DLC itself since not having the chest makes the game harder to play because you have to deal with micro managing your inventory and you frequently run out of space.
 

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It depends entirely on the DLC,

As has been said many times here there is good DLC and there is bad. Good DLC I have no problems shelling out for. If it extends a game, like onslaught for BFBC2 it was less than the cost of a lunch at Subway and I will have hours playing it with the clan.

Bad DLC tars the whle thing, MW2 I bought the first set just to not be divided when playing with friends but I felt so ripped off I didnt get the second. Repackaged maps and new maps I didnt like. But you know fair enought thats IW's choice Ill stick to BC. But then BC has DLC that lets players skip unlocking all their weapons, or SPECTAT gear which is improved camo.My problem with this is its allowing players to pay for an advantage, now SPECTAT makes sfa difference but its still allowing you to buy an "advantage" over players who didnt buy the DLC shifting competitive balance on the basis of money invested rather than time or skill.

Theres many other problems with DLC, Those without net connections, Potential for abuse in Project 10 dollar, fixes for games that appear as "optional" DLC etc I dont think Im entitled to free DLC, but it would be nice to not be ripped off, or punished for not liking DLC. So if I dont want it I wont get it, but then should I be punished?
 

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Broken Orange said:
People don't understand the work that goes into making DLC. They believe that additional content should be free.
Exactly. They need to realize that this wasn't stuff left on the cutting room floor, this is what they're adding AFTER they got the feedback of the original game. So it's more likely better in that regard.
 

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Zulu-Echo14 said:
Valve spoiled us.
Yeah, pretty much this. We've just gotten used to the awesome kindness that is Valve. I still refuse to buy map packs for COD6 when I got them for free in COD4.
 

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SL33TBL1ND said:
Zulu-Echo14 said:
Valve spoiled us.
Yeah, pretty much this. We've just gotten used to the awesome kindness that is Valve. I still refuse to buy map packs for COD6 when I got them for free in COD4.
?? Cod 4's "Variaty Map Pack" was 5 bucks. Thats five dollars more than free
 

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It annoys me too. I have my own "do's and don'ts" with DLC, but when a fair deal comes up people still complain.

A lot of hard work goes into DLC, not all developers can afford to give their hard work away for free. If you don't think it's worth the price then don't get it.
 

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might have something to do with me not liking the fact that dlc is 100% pure profit for publishers after they already had the balls to charge me 60$ for a crap product to begin with.

but more OT:
the publisher is entitled to do what ever they want with their product, but im entitled to guard my money and ***** about how publishers try to nickel and dime everything that movies in the market today
 

SL33TBL1ND

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MicrosoftPaysMe said:
SL33TBL1ND said:
Zulu-Echo14 said:
Valve spoiled us.
Yeah, pretty much this. We've just gotten used to the awesome kindness that is Valve. I still refuse to buy map packs for COD6 when I got them for free in COD4.
?? Cod 4's "Variaty Map Pack" was 5 bucks. Thats five dollars more than free
No, all maps were free for PC.
 

Nazulu

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I read through all the comments and it doesn't seem anyone 'bitched' about that certain DLC, where did you see the gaming community spit the dummy?

Sorry if that isn't exactly a contribution to the thread but it doesn't make sense to me either, seems perfectly reasonable unless it was just DLC to fill in left over gaps or it just came out right after the game was released.
 

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Or were all just super jealous of pc gamers who get all their crazy mods free from other people where we find out we just invested $100 into one game. It's a super expensive hobbey I guess.
 

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I don't mind DLC in general (in fact, I like it when genuinely new content is brought in) is despise companies who charge FIFTEEN dollars for FIVE maps, TWO of which are from a previous game. You know which game I'm talking about.

But you know what's worse? People actually buy these overpriced map packs, effectively encouraging these companies to produce more of these products.
 

Seth Smith

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I've never downloaded any DLC, so I don't care either way!

But seriously, that does sound like a fair amount. If I'm understanding this right and DLC is extra bits that they decided to add on top of the finished game, and not stuff that should have been in the game in the first place, ten bucks would be a fair price for it. Any more might be a little much, but I don't think it would be fair to give it out for free, considering the amount of time and money spent on it. Unless, you know, they wanted to...
 

SageRuffin

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I like DLC. Sometimes it makes a bad game good (very rare occasions though), and other times it makes a good game great. A little bit of change here for some extra items like armor and weapons (i.e. ME2, DA:O). Cool. A few bucks for a new mission or two and some sexy extras (i.e. SR2)? Awesome. A fucking kick-ass alternate soundtrack for a fighting game (SC4)? Fuck yeah.

Life is hard nowadays. The way the world's economy is now we can't really afford to be handed all types of goodies like it's Halloween. Besides, I for one like to support whoever's making my favorite games; I've no qualms about paying for extra content (unless it's ridiculously priced, like $5 for Darth Vader in SC4).

Besides, worst case scenario I don't have to buy it. :)