Gamers Rage About Bayonetta 2 on Wii U

[Treblaine]

Why would Bayonetta fans be happy to be forced into getting the WiiU? When the sequel could and should be released on Xbox 360 and/or PS3 that they already own as to be fans they played the prequel on PS3 or 360.

People do NOT have faith in WiiU. It's seen not as next-gen but overpriced and a gimmicky controller they don't want and especially don't want to pay for.

WiiU MIGHT be worth it with the following improvements:
-drop kick the tablet controller into a landfill and forget about it, don't sell it as a peripheral or a bundle
-With price savings from losing the gimmicky controller, cut the price down from $350 to $200 using a proper gamepad
-Forget the 8 to 32GB of flash memory, put a proper HDD in there and allow full game installs
-Render Wii 1 games in backwards-compatibility in higher res and post-processing anti-aliasing, this is not hard to drop in.
-have very robust online multiplayer and and open and fair store for developers.

1: Your first complaint, plain and simply, sucks. That's like arguing for any new console to ever be made. If your made that Bayonetta 2 is coming for a Next Gen console, then where you pissed when Halo 3 was gonna be on Xbox 360 and Not Xbox? How about when Metal Gear 3 was gonna be on PS2 and not the first PS? How about when Super Mario 64 was on the Nintendo 64, and not the SNES? That argument, "A Game should be released on Older consoles, not newer ones!" would mean no new console would ever be made, ever.

2: For all intents and purposes, Yes, yes it is. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_U#Technical_specifications] It is much more powerful then either the PS3 or XBox 360, it has more space then either of those two specifically for games (1 GB beats 512 MB any day), and it has 1080i HD instead of 720p HD. It is the next generation.

3:
-Oh sure, so every controller can be boring and unoriginal, and so people can complain about how there is no creativity in Controller design!
-I can't argue with that point.
-It's not Flash memory. HDD is flash memory. Nintendo is using SDD, and you can plug in any extra memory thing you want. 8 and 32 GB of SDD instantly can become 1TB of SDD if you simply plug a 1TB SD Card into it.
-Why? Most of the Wii Games suck! THe ones that are good don't need advancing, and why would you wanna improve the sucky ones?
-They will!

It would suck if WiiU was a next-gen console

[HEADING=1]WiiU is NOT a next-gen console[/HEADING]

It is not progressive, it can't even install games to integrated Hard Drive. Integrated being the key word there.

Your cited specs do NOT put it significantly ahead of the current gen, especially considering how with new tech developers will be held back by unfamiliarity (compare Quake 4 to RAGE what difference familiarity can make on the same hardware) and how much the technically superior PS3 was haled back from its performance by not having as many programmer experience with coding for that.


" it has 1080i HD instead of 720p HD"

PS3 and 360 have been able to do 1080i since their launch.

Boring and unoriginal beat gimmick every day. Look at 360 controller vs Dual Shock 3.

"HDD is flash memory"

Wii has 2-3 decent Wii exclusives.

I'll believe their good online when I see it. Biggest problem is their conflict of focus and their bad reputation means they will be so unlikely to get the install base they need.

1: As much as you say it, doesn't mean it's not true. It IS Next Generation, regardless of your opinion.

2: But it is much farther ahead of them. Sure, not necessarily "Significantly" ahead, but ahead none the less. And if you want to play something that is significantly ahead, why play consoles at all? Why not stay on PC's? They're the farthest ahead!

3: Not from what I remember, and not from what people have been telling me. I got an Original XBox around the time it was released, and it definitely only had 720p HD for me. Same went with my PS3.

4: Eventually that will become stale. You know it, I know it. We haven't had enough controllers like that to truly see it, but it will become as stale as all the CoD's and Madden games have. People will complain, you know it, I know it. Plus, Touch Screen Tech is not a gimmick. It was proven it wasn't a gimmick when the DS proved it wasn't.

5: I kept being told that HDD is Flash Memory and SDD is some other kind of Memory. If I am wrong, then I apologize. Regardless, the WiiU can have the most memory. What would you rather have? A set in stone limit of 520 GB of memory, or no limitations and over Several TB's of Memory?

6: Exactly! And they're already perfect the way they are. They don't need HD updates. Plus, if Nintendo did that, people would be complaining that they're milking.

7: Have you played any Nintendo games with Nintendo Network? It actually runs very well. Nintendo is using Nintendo Network and a retooled Miiverse that doesn't require Online Codes for online games. It's good enough that Dragon Quest X, an MMORPG [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Quest_X:_Mezameshi_Itsutsu_no_Shuzoku_Online], will be on the WiiU.

1. Don't the facts I present "opinion" then state your own opinion as fact

2. Power is an issue with something claiming to be next Gen and selling for $300-$350 in 2012 without any hard drive.

3. your memory of half-a-decade ago is no substitute for facts

4. There is no great movement amongst the 60 million Xbox 360 gamers to have more radical controls. It's still good even 7 years after launch.

5. HDD is not flash memory. Do the base minimum of research. If you don't know what you are talking about then why are you saying things authoritatively rather than inquiring? No need to apologize for being wrong. Apologise for acting like you knew right when you knew you did not. You also DO NOT UNDERSTAND that plugging in a USB external drive will NOT work as well, it will be too slow.

6. "And they (wii exclusives) are already perfect the way they are"

Lol nope. Have you heard of anti-aliasing? Higher resolution? This MATTERS as it ruins the aesthetic of games like Mario Galaxy that is full of rounded and soft objects yet ruined by jagged edges from lack of AA. If you don't know what AA is, don't tell me I'm wrong till you have educated yourself on this matter.

7. friend codes. Game codes.

I rest my case.

 

[SnowBurst]

nintendo cant do "serious" games its just a given stick to redos of mario n sonic n nintendo will be out of the firing line but cmon call of duty 3 should have proved that nintendo cant do this stuff that game was so unplayable

 

[Treblaine]

yeah, just add more buttons until the controller is nothing but buttons
maybe you like to stick to the past but I want more than just one way to enjoy a game, people like you who think everything should stick with what was good in the past are pathetic who wouldn't even try something new if it was given to you for free.
and quit using the word 'gimmick' I've said this before that everything is a gimmick before it became popular even the computer in front of you

I'm willing to be that if companies somehow managed to cheaply build a holographic gaming system that you'd sit there and complain of "why there be no buttons?! buttons make a game good, innovation doesn't do nothing"

Uuuh, YES!

Gamers are ALREADY doing this, this is the direction the CONSUMER is going, putting more buttons on custom xbox controllers, usually for macros but also alternate buttons though is stymied by lack of developer support. There has been a steady trend to more buttons on controllers.

I am proposing that it is advancing things in a sensible direction according to consumer's needs, not marketing gimmicks.

"people like you who think everything should stick with what was good in the past are pathetic"

I'm not offend by such insults, you are not insulting me but a "straw man", you have made up an imagined person that is supposed to be me but unlike me is some sort of Luddite.

Fail fallacy.

"and quit using the word 'gimmick' "

gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick

No. I won't stop using this very fitting term. I can tell people don't want this term used as it is so fitting. This is a bad solution in search of a trivial problem, it doesn't serve a practical purpose worth it's effort, it's a gimmick.

What I never EVER even came close to implying or leading to: "why there be no buttons?! buttons make a game good, innovation doesn't do nothing"

Let's give a slow clap for your fail attempts at straw-manning.

I mean you COULD actually stay on topic and address my actual argument. But no. I don't tink you can. So you just jump to ridiculous and fraudulent conclusions of my stance to attack me rather than my argument.

That WiiU's tablet controller is a gimmick IN AND OF ITSELF!

 

[Treblaine]

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In my view it's like playing baldur's gate and having your inventory/skills screen up on a second monitor, that doesn't sound that bad to me. It actually sounds kind of convenient.

I agree with you on the stats though. It doesn't seem that much more advanced which is why I'm buying for my sister's kids instead of myself.

Except a second PC monitor is NOT:
-several times smaller
-lower resolution
-battery powered
-have to carry weight in your hands
-have to have the video transferred via wireless protocol with latency and artefacting issues.
-on a different level as opposed to immediately adjacent.
-at a cost that as much as DOUBLES the price of the whole system

That's all NOT the case with PC... IS the case with WiiU.

Nintendo has taken a moderately good principal and saddled it with an excessive burden. Everything about the WiiU tablet controller jsut seems to be throwing so many random features together without a clealry coherent design use.

 

[Treblaine]

To everyone complaining about Bayonetta 2 being a WiiU exclusive: Fuck you.

How erudite of you.

Nintendo had their chance and they proved they cannot be trusted, everyone threw their stock in with PS3 and 360, it is too little too late. This is not the hardcore "next-gen" console the consumers expected, this is in so many ways a step back.

People were fine with Nintendo being where it was, now it's trying to have it both ways.

Bayonetta fans do NOT want to be forced to - in order to play the sequel - buy an expensive WiiU that they KNOW from bitter experience that Nintendo will NOT deliver on their hardcore promise. It's a hollow promise made often before and repeatedly broken without any regret. It's clear that is NOT the direction Nintendo is going now, them acquiring Bayonetta 2 by money not by worth.

 

[Gatx]

This is like the opposite response to the Skyrim DLC not being on PS3 for the foreseeable future thing. Then it was Xbox users telling PS3 users to suck it that Microsoft was smarter than Sony and ponied up the money to get timed exclusives, while gamers here are complaining that Nintendo is doing the same thing (okay not entirely the same thing but still).

Because it's forcing people to buy a new console to get a sequel to franchise they've already bought into.

If it was a brand new IP then it's a different issue.

I already own a PS3 that I don't use for anything but exclusives, I don't really fancy forking out for another console for the occasional exclusive.

Bayonetta 2 may-aswell not exist for me.

No one's forcing you to buy anything... unless you want to play Bayonetta 2. But these things happen, and people are saying that we're on the cusp of a generation change anyway so it's probably about time for people to buy a new console. This is just more incentive to buy the Wii U over "PS4" or "Xbox 720." This sort of thing happens. Final Fantasy used to be on Nintendo systems and then jumped ship to Sony for a while after all.

 

[ServebotFrank]

Calling it right now. The majority of people complaining are going to buy the WiiU to play Bayonetta and the other exclusives it looks like Nintendo will be getting. It's like Left 4 Dead 2 all over again.

Also you guys think the 720 and PS4 will do better than the WiiU? Not unless they drop their price to match it, selling a new console that will turn out more advanced than the WiiU will be suicidal in this Economy. Sony is just now nearly done recovering from how piss poor the PS3 did for about two years.

Calling it right now, people are raging for no reason and probably will discreetly buy a WiiU.

 

[gamerguy20097]

Nintendo gets shit for no third party support and no M rated games.
Nintendo gets shit for a third party M rated game.

I'll respect you slightly more if you just say you hate Nintendo for no logical reason. You're still a baby but at least man enough to not hide behind the whole exclusivity thing.

 

[ToastiestZombie]

To everyone complaining about Bayonetta 2 being a WiiU exclusive: Fuck you.

How erudite of you.

Nintendo had their chance and they proved they cannot be trusted, everyone threw their stock in with PS3 and 360, it is too little too late. This is not the hardcore "next-gen" console the consumers expected, this is in so many ways a step back.

People were fine with Nintendo being where it was, now it's trying to have it both ways.

Bayonetta fans do NOT want to be forced to - in order to play the sequel - buy an expensive WiiU that they KNOW from bitter experience that Nintendo will NOT deliver on their hardcore promise. It's a hollow promise made often before and repeatedly broken without any regret. It's clear that is NOT the direction Nintendo is going now, them acquiring Bayonetta 2 by money not by worth.

No-one was fine with Nintendo the way they were. People's main complaints about the Wii were the lack of M Rated third party exclusives. Nintendo are giving that to you in the form of ZombiU and Bayonetta 2. Tell me, what the hell does "They got it by money, not by worth" mean? Exclusive title's aren't just the developer doing it because they love a console, it's a business decision by both sides which involves money being exchanged.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

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I'd say they will probably bring a charger out for it and the cost of the system seems pretty cheap to me for a new release. £185? :/ I paid more than that for my xbox recently.

The rest of those things seem a bit picky. I like the idea of not having to switch the main screen to see inventory especially for games like Zelda.

 

[gigastrike]

...What's wrong with the Wii-U?

 

[Callate]

If it was a choice between a Wii U exclusive Bayonetta 2 and no Bayonetta 2 at all, wouldn't the console exclusive be the better option?

You would think so, wouldn't you...?

Personally, even though I'm inclined to wait and see on the Wii U itself, I tend to feel the Bayonetta 2 announcement is a good sign. It suggests that the big N is taking both more mature gamers and third parties more seriously from the get-go this generation, and perhaps we'll be spared racks full of twenty dollar dart-throwing games.

 

[Sean951]

...What's wrong with the Wii-U?

Probably nothing, people just don't like being forced to buy a new console to carry on a series they've already bought into.

Well, then those people should have done more to support the game so it could have continued on it's previous path. Instead, it didn't make enough money and Sega refused to publish it.

 

[Arcane Azmadi]

"Video gamers act like short-sighted, narrow-minded, braindead fucktards." This is news how?

 

[Gatx]

If youd like to read what I said, forcing you to get a new console if you want the sequel... Struggling to see how that's incorrect.

And the fact that it's happened before doesn't change the fact that people are allowed to complain about it. Regardless of what this mindbogglingly retarded wave of people who try and make consumers feel guilty for voicing their complaints, its a consumers right to do so.

Letting the developers know that existing fans are not happy about this is the only sensible response. And I am never going to allow these company excusing weirdos to tell me otherwise, just because it's the 'in thing to do' this year.

Well what about the other arguments that it's not the developers choice to get published by Nintendo, and if it wasn't for Nintendo, there wouldn't be a Bayonetta at all. What's the logical thing for Platinum Games to do, refuse to work with Nintendo and not make the game?

 

[Alexnader]

Ive resigned myself to getting a Wii U as soon as i heard that a Monster Hunter game was coming to it. One thats getting out of Japan, that is.

And my chief reservations for Bayonetta 2 has nothing to do with exclusivity, it has to do with the possibility of the game being undercut by Nintendo's family-friendly policies and the inclusion of potentially unreliable controls in a fast-paced reaction-intensive and (if the first game is anything to go on) fiendishly hard hack and slash.

Anyway heres a helpful video.

Holy shit new Monster Hunter. Urgh WiiU or 3DS... god damn I may have to spend money on one of those sooner or later.