Gamers Rage About Bayonetta 2 on Wii U

[OldNewNewOld]

I am feeding on the mad especially as I'm getting a Wii U now.

Besides, if this happened to the PS3 or xbox there wouldn't be anywhere near this uproar. People just love to hate in Nintendo to show how "hardcore" they are.

The name "Wii" has become synonomous with "fucking retarded controls" so you really can't blame the fans wanting their fast-paced-reflexive-combo game on something that sports a nice traditional controller.

Wii U is guaranteed to throw atleast some % of motion-controller and/or dual-screen bullshit that is bound to piss off fans and reviewers alike.

As Yahtzee himself stated in multiple reviews:
[Madworld] "It'd be wonderfully convenient to just abandon one console (Wii) as a dedicated casual gaming kiddie platform and let the others (PS/XBox) concentrate on the blood and titties."

[House of the Dead] "Tortured metaphors aside, I'm of the feeling that Nintendo has almost completely switched sides in the invisible war of standard vs. casual gaming. As a console for hardcore gamers, the Wii is current floating face down in the outlet stream of a water treatment facility, but as last Christmas's most sought-after baby toy it's a licence to print money, forge diamonds, and deal heroin outside Glaswegian middle schools. And I can't really blame them. Better perhaps to be the king of the land of imbeciles than continue the arduous and futile process that is attempting to appease one's hardcore fan base."

I'm sorry, but using Yahtzee to prove anything is just ridiculous. I love watching his reviews, but only for the jokes.

He hates everything that is old because it's not new. He hates everything new because it's not old. He hates everything standard, because it's not different. He hates everything different because it's not standard.
And he obviously has bad hand/eyes coordinations because he can't make even the simples moves on the Wii work. Where practically everyone who played the game agrees that the motion controls work, he will keep bitching about them not working.

He complained that Nintendo games don't change the formula and then complained that Skyward Sword changed the formula.

Sorry, but he can't be take seriously.
He hates everything. With few exceptions.

 

[Stripes]

Why can they not release it on multiple consoles? Why are people ok with exclusives? How is it somehow fine for a game to be actively denied to people for no other reason than to force them to buy another console? This is just another casuality to a seriously anti consumer practice.

Oh and to those who think they are somehow mighty for belittling people who cant play the sequel to a game they liked: You arent being clever, you're being dickheads. Why on earth should people be forced to buy a console for games which clearly are not specific to the console in question?

Because the people who make the console are paying the bill to get the game made? Why should they use their money to make a sequel to a game everyone else gave up on, then make it for competitors consoles so other companies can have it, so you can avoid giving them your money for a console they've made and a game they have paid to publish? Not to mention it's WiiU so likely it WILL be exclusive to the console, and you expect Nintendo to foot the bill so it can ported to the X-Box 720 and the PS4? That sounds reasonable to you?

Seriously, it's pretty much entirely how the big three compete by who has the best exclusives, no-one would be saying shit if it was an X-box exclusive. Hell, there are people on this forum who still don't think Bethesda's handling of Dawnguard was f*cking shoddy by releasing it for X-box 2 months ahead of PS3 and PC, and that's a legitimate issue as it isn't hard to port DLC.

More OT: We don't ***** about Halo being only on X-Box or God of War only being on Playstation, it just so happens Bayonetta is now only going to be on WiiU. And? If you want to play the game I guess you're going to have to give WiiU a try, if you don't then give Platinum Games the money it needs out of your own pocket to buy back full publishing rights and make a game for the X-box or whatever. It'll only cost you something like 15 million dollars (conservative f*cking estimate there).

It's like Nintendo want us to buy their products or something crazy like that!

Get off your high horse, you arent as smart as you think you are. Nintendo is publishing the game, great! That doesnt mean its good for gaming to have that game be denied to other gamers purely to sell a console. I dont agree with exclusives, I think anyone who supports exclusives that are exclusive because one company wants to get an edge by denying the game to other consoles is retarded.

I can see why keeping the game exclusive to the Wii U is smart for Nintendo, I cant see how thats good for us. I dont want to buy a Wii U, not out of malice but because I cant afford to buy a Wii U and and Xbox 720 (if indeed I get another generation of console, depends on my circumstances. The 360 seems to be the strongest of the 3 consoles, going with that im gonna go to the next iteration of it. Plus I like the exclusives and all my freinds are getting it, though it having exclusives is no more ok than the Wii U or PS3 having exclusives purely for competition). Im not "avoiding giving them money for a console they've made", which somehow insinuates Im at fault for not buying it at all because they spent money making it, I just cant buy it in my circumstances because they are denying it on platforms I play on.

I dont know the full situation with Dawngaurd, if Microsoft paid for some sort of exclusivity then non-xbox gamers should not be denied the DLC. It isnt fair on gamers, even if the devs are better off. Halo should be on PS3 and God of War should be on xbox. Gamers are not benefiting from this competition, theres no good reason for us to support it.

I would love nothing more than for Bayonetta 2 to be available to everyone, unfortunately Platinum games decided they couldnt self publish (though they could publish the abysmal 'Vanquish') it and Nintendo is now publishing. That isnt my fault. Why is it somehow fine for Nintendo to act against our interests but not Activision or EA? They both go against our interests and are hated for it, why is it ok here?

 

[Treblaine]

No-one was fine with Nintendo the way they were. People's main complaints about the Wii were the lack of M Rated third party exclusives. Nintendo are giving that to you in the form of ZombiU and Bayonetta 2. Tell me, what the hell does "They got it by money, not by worth" mean? Exclusive title's aren't just the developer doing it because they love a console, it's a business decision by both sides which involves money being exchanged.

No, people who were foolish enough to buy a Wii were regretful.

They didn't want M-rated games, they wanted DEEP games not fluff like "New" Super Mario Bros.

Shallowly violent games people did not want, they did NOT care about Madworld.

I mean Nintendo BOUGHT the rights, not a case that the developers came to WiiU exclusivity as their first choice, PS3 and 360 was their first choice.

 

[Treblaine]

To everyone complaining about Bayonetta 2 being a WiiU exclusive: Fuck you.

How erudite of you.

Nintendo had their chance and they proved they cannot be trusted, everyone threw their stock in with PS3 and 360, it is too little too late. This is not the hardcore "next-gen" console the consumers expected, this is in so many ways a step back.

People were fine with Nintendo being where it was, now it's trying to have it both ways.

Bayonetta fans do NOT want to be forced to - in order to play the sequel - buy an expensive WiiU that they KNOW from bitter experience that Nintendo will NOT deliver on their hardcore promise. It's a hollow promise made often before and repeatedly broken without any regret. It's clear that is NOT the direction Nintendo is going now, them acquiring Bayonetta 2 by money not by worth.

Yeah because you clearly can predict the future, Nostradamus. No Sony and Microsoft have proven to be less trust worthy lately what with Sony's arrogant business model and Microsoft essentially killing one of the greatest video game developers of all time. (Rare) Nintendo? Untrustworthy? That's just spoiled fanboyism speaking.

Really, your starting to remind me of a certain nostalgically blind retro fanboy (coughMalstrom) and should likewise shut your damn pie-hole.

Hmm, another case of "damn, he's got an airtight argument, I can only oppose him by claiming he said something completely different, I know I'll make him seem ridiculous as if he made claims about the future he couldn't possibly be certain of."

Nice try, that's a straw man, you fail.

I made no nostrodamust predictions. I stated the fact that they DID betray their promise and ARE not trustworthy.

This WiiU console IS NOT (present tense) a next-gen console.

 

[OldNewNewOld]

No-one was fine with Nintendo the way they were. People's main complaints about the Wii were the lack of M Rated third party exclusives. Nintendo are giving that to you in the form of ZombiU and Bayonetta 2. Tell me, what the hell does "They got it by money, not by worth" mean? Exclusive title's aren't just the developer doing it because they love a console, it's a business decision by both sides which involves money being exchanged.

No, people who were foolish enough to buy a Wii were regretful.

They didn't want M-rated games, they wanted DEEP games not fluff like "New" Super Mario Bros.

Shallowly violent games people did not want, they did NOT care about Madworld.

I mean Nintendo BOUGHT the rights, not a case that the developers came to WiiU exclusivity as their first choice, PS3 and 360 was their first choice.

I bought the Wii. I love the Wii. I play it even today. I have over 500 hours invested just in MH Tri. I don't have even the slight desire to own a PS360.

Just because YOU don't like the Wii and the games on the Wii doesn't mean that no one does.

But I think it's pointless to discus with you since I've read enough posts where people argue with arguments, but you ignore everything.

p.s. The WiiU is current gen. You're right. But only if the PS3 and 360 are last gen. Generations aren't based on the hardware specs, but on the time of release. If the PS2 and GC were the same gen, then the PS3 and Wii are the same gen. Since the WiiU comes after the Wii, it is next gen.

 

[Treblaine]

Lol nope. Have you heard of anti-aliasing? Higher resolution? This MATTERS as it ruins the aesthetic of games like Mario Galaxy that is full of rounded and soft objects yet ruined by jagged edges from lack of AA. If you don't know what AA is, don't tell me I'm wrong till you have educated yourself on this matter.

Ok, I seriously?
AA?
Really?

1. The AA in consoles is, to put it lightly, crap. Despite the fact that not every game uses it and you can't force it, its pretty weak AA compared to what is out there.
2. AA has got to be the absolute least important graphical feature to bring up. Its hilarious, I mean, really. Your argument for better graphics is AA. Wow, its been a long time since I've seen that. Despite being a PC player personally and having AA that is faster and more effective than a consoles and able to be forced onto any application via video card settings, I don't go out and tout AA as being one of the major graphical reasons to move across to the PC. Why? Its usually unnoticeable, and when it is noticeable its the least of a game's graphical problems.

Also, whilst the PS3 and Xbox may be capable of displaying 1080p, the majority of games render at only 720p so that they can maintain 30FPS whilst having a moderate number of objects on screen. If the WiiU has the graphics power to display 1080p with 30 or higher FPS with as many if not more objects on screen than a PS3 or X360, then it is superior. I'll wait until its released to make that judgement though.

Better 2x AA than none at all. Wii has a SERIOUS lack of it for games that really really need it.

That's a very convenient opinion for you to hold that AA isn't important... but PC gamers who have the choice to turn it on or off it's considered a WORTHLESS BENCHMARK to bbenchmark (test a game's performance) without AA set reasonably high as so many CHOOSE to have it on.

Anti-aliasing is a HUGE problem with the low-resolution (480p) resolution of Wii games when upscaled the Anti-aliasing jagges get doubly deep. Wii games with a generally brighter and broader colour pallet the aliasing is more visible on "grimdark" games.


"If the WiiU has the graphics power to display 1080p with 30 or higher FPS with as many if not more objects on screen than a PS3 or X360, then it is superior."

Big "if".

And behold:


1080x1920 NATIVE resolution and 60-frames per second.

Framerate and native-res alone is not enough as PS3 could do this back in 2008.

WiiU has had it's chance to prove it's next-gen it hasn't. It's a dumb bet to bet on WiiU being a generational leap over Xbox 360.

 

[Treblaine]

No-one was fine with Nintendo the way they were. People's main complaints about the Wii were the lack of M Rated third party exclusives. Nintendo are giving that to you in the form of ZombiU and Bayonetta 2. Tell me, what the hell does "They got it by money, not by worth" mean? Exclusive title's aren't just the developer doing it because they love a console, it's a business decision by both sides which involves money being exchanged.

No, people who were foolish enough to buy a Wii were regretful.

They didn't want M-rated games, they wanted DEEP games not fluff like "New" Super Mario Bros.

Shallowly violent games people did not want, they did NOT care about Madworld.

I mean Nintendo BOUGHT the rights, not a case that the developers came to WiiU exclusivity as their first choice, PS3 and 360 was their first choice.

I bought the Wii. I love the Wii. I play it even today. I have over 500 hours invested just in MH Tri. I don't have even the slight desire to own a PS360.

Just because YOU don't like the Wii and the games on the Wii doesn't mean that no one does.

But I think it's pointless to discus with you since I've read enough posts where people argue with arguments, but you ignore everything.

p.s. The WiiU is current gen. You're right. But only if the PS3 and 360 are last gen. Generations aren't based on the hardware specs, but on the time of release. If the PS2 and GC were the same gen, then the PS3 and Wii are the same gen. Since the WiiU comes after the Wii, it is next gen.

Monster Hunter... ooohhhh... you're proud of playing that.

You're the exception, it's not me. When I say that "no one liked the Wii" it's not to be taken literally!

"I've read enough posts where people argue with fallacies, but you demolish every wrong thing they say"

We are NOT in the a generation beyond Xbox 360 or PS3. I am fed up of these lies about WiiU.

"PS2 and GC were the same gen, then the PS3 and Wii are the same gen"

ignorant statement is ignorant.

"Since the WiiU comes after the Wii, it is next gen."

This makes UTTER NONSENSE of the idea of console generations.

Atari Jaguar is NOT equal with the Playstation 1 just because Atari disingenuously claimed it was in the same generation.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

Gamers Rage About Bayonetta 2 on Wii U

Bayonetta 2's Wii U exclusivity has some gamers threatening to "burn Nintendo down."

One of the biggest surprises from Nintendo's slew of announcements yesterday was the fact that Bayonetta 2 was coming exclusively to the Wii U. The sequel to Sega's 2010 game Bayonetta, which was rumored to be canceled, is now being published by Nintendo, though its release date is uncertain. Surely this news should make Bayonetta fans happy, right?

"Let's go burn Nintendo down for getting that exclusive" is one of the nicer Twitter comments about the news that I can post here. Other gamers, who claimed to be fans of Bayonetta and developer Platinum Games, threatened to kill themselves, stating that they were "literally fuming with disappointment." Plenty of tweets just screamed obscenities in Nintendo's general direction, and others begged Platinum to put Bayonetta 2 on a "real" console, because apparently the Wii U is made out of fairy wings and unicorn dust.

It's never pleasant when a game you want comes out for a console you don't own, but the degree of this backlash is kind of surprising. If it was a choice between a Wii U exclusive Bayonetta 2 and no Bayonetta 2 at all, wouldn't the console exclusive be the better option?

Source: Destructoid [http://gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=185428]

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Of course legitimate criticisms of this get ignored by the gaming media to concentrate and the extreme ragers. Calm collected arguments don't make news I guess.

 

[ToastiestZombie]

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SAYING random words in CAPITALS doesn't improve YOUR point.

Ok, let me see: The Last Story, Monster Hunter Tri, Xenophage Chronicles, No More Heroes, Red Steel 2, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, Little King's Story, Sonic Colours, Madworld, Super Mario Galaxy. All of those games are Wii exclusive, awesome games. Hell, even Madworld had an original colour and plenty of cool game features.

 

[Biodeamon]

First off it's spelt "Nintendo" not "Nentendo". Second off there have been so many good games only xbox or ps3 exclusive and nobody really sees any wii gamers raging about it do we? I restmy case.

 

[Treblaine]

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SAYING random words in CAPITALS doesn't improve YOUR point.

Ok, let me see: The Last Story, Monster Hunter Tri, Xenophage Chronicles, No More Heroes, Red Steel 2, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, Little King's Story, Sonic Colours, Madworld, Super Mario Galaxy. All of those games are Wii exclusive, awesome games. Hell, even Madworld had an original colour and plenty of cool game features.

Red Steel 2? Nope. Madworld HELL TO THE NOPE!

Murumasa is a nice budget title, shame it is sold for $50 on an SD console.

Little King's Story??!?? Seriously?

 

[ToastiestZombie]

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SAYING random words in CAPITALS doesn't improve YOUR point.

Ok, let me see: The Last Story, Monster Hunter Tri, Xenophage Chronicles, No More Heroes, Red Steel 2, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, Little King's Story, Sonic Colours, Madworld, Super Mario Galaxy. All of those games are Wii exclusive, awesome games. Hell, even Madworld had an original colour and plenty of cool game features.

Red Steel 2? Nope. Madworld HELL TO THE NOPE!

Murumasa is a nice budget title, shame it is sold for $50 on an SD console.

Little King's Story??!?? Seriously?

Now you're just sounding like an Xbox 360, PS3 or PC fanboy. Have you even played any of those games? I think you haven't since well, you're just calling games shit with no explanation.

 

[Kurenaino]

...um...

*slow clap*

Go Nintendo, my heroes. People are mad why? If it was exclusive for anything else, it would be no big deal. I respect them as a company much more than, say, friggin' Microsoft. Good companies should have rights to good games, end of story.

 

[Treblaine]

"Since the WiiU comes after the Wii, it is next gen."

This makes UTTER NONSENSE of the idea of console generations.

The term "generation" refers to the time period during which it was born, not the status it was born into. We don't refer to tribal cultures in South America or island nations as part of the "Stone Age generation" because they work with stone-age implements, rather we use another categorization entirely to refer to the developed status of a culture ("third world" and the like). We also don't try to claim that someone is part of a previous generation for having Old World thinking or choosing a lifestyle that avoids the comforts of the modern age.

Similarly, a video game "generation" has always referred to the time period during which the game (or console) is released. The quality of the console is irrelevant in terms of its age. There are many consoles released during their generation which utilized graphics of an inferior nature to their counterparts within the same time period, but they still belong to that generation. If it is ever released, by this logic the Ouya would technically be an eighth generation console as well, despite that its quality is likely to be below the specs of future Microsoft and Sony consoles.

This is how the term has always been used in the past, and it is the definition commonly accepted by every major media outlet that reports on games. It's fine if you don't agree, but let's not pretend that the word means something different because you (and only you) disagree with its meaning. I would agree with you if you were stating that the console's hardware is seventh generation (which it is, since the hardware is really only on par with a PS3 or 360....which is to say, not all that great), but the console itself is a generation eight console by virtue of its release date.

It's perhaps a new generation for Nintendo, but it's not a new generation for CONSOLES IN GENERAL.

Generation is NOT by time. If a car company releases a Ford Model T in 2012 that does NOT mean it's of the same generation as the Ford Focus.

Tribes are irrelevant to generations in the technology sense as humans are not designed and manufactured en mass to a fixed format.

It's WORTHLESS and MEANINGLESS if being "next-generation" has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING with being significantly more technologically advanced.

 

[ToastiestZombie]

...um...

*slow clap*

Go Nintendo, my heroes. People are mad why? If it was exclusive for anything else, it would be no big deal. I respect them as a company much more than, say, friggin' Microsoft. Good companies should have rights to good games, end of story.

But not if they're a game I personally want! How dare they! /sarcasm.

I bet that if Valve announced "Half Life 3 is PC exclusive" the entire gaming community would be celebrating. But because it's Nintendo and a relatively un-appreciated game it's a terrible business practise.

 

[Treblaine]

Now you're just sounding like an Xbox 360, PS3 or PC fanboy. Have you even played any of those games? I think you haven't since well, you're just calling games shit with no explanation.

No, I'm like the majority who know that Wii was a casual sell-out. Red Steel 2 is a classic example of a game that seems like it could be good till you ACTUALLY play it. It is BECAUSE I played it that I dismiss it.

 

[ToastiestZombie]

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ONCE again. PUTTING words in capitals DOESN'T improve your POINT! IT just makes YOU sound ANGRY!

The Wii U is an improvement over the PS3 and the Xbox 360, therefore it is next gen. It has a better GPU, a better proccesor, more RAM and a faster disc read speed. Just because Nintendo haven't done the incredibly stupid, and risky thing of making there next console extremely powerful and high-end doesn't mean it's not next gen.

 

[Kurenaino]

Between this and Rayman Legends being WiiU exclusive, Jim Sterling should make an episode about how much Nintendo is being a douchebag and/or how Nintendo made such an ingenious plan to make singleplayer gamers as well as families buy the WiiU.

That's not really being a douchebag. That's really, REALLY good business. Honestly, Microsoft and Sony haven't really been great about treating their single player gamers well, what with all the online passes and hashed in multiplayer and all the statements about single player experiences being a dying breed. Nintendo's always been great with that, though, and strictly from a business standpoint, this is a great move. If they can buy exclusive rights to a lot of the single player franchises out there, they're going to see a lot of business growth from people who are tired of the developer rape. I love my PS3, but I'll go WiiU if they start taking the games I like. I trust Nintendo not to dick us around like Microsoft does.

But then, that's my opinion. But from a business sense, it's a great move, and it looks like it'll benefit the consumer in the long-run.

 

[ToastiestZombie]

Now you're just sounding like an Xbox 360, PS3 or PC fanboy. Have you even played any of those games? I think you haven't since well, you're just calling games shit with no explanation.

No, I'm like the majority who know that Wii was a casual sell-out. Red Steel 2 is a classic example of a game that seems like it could be good till you ACTUALLY play it. It is BECAUSE I played it that I dismiss it.

Go on then. Call me why all those games you've called shit are shit. Instead of just saying "IT's bad if you ACTUALLY play it!". I have played Red Steel 2, to me it had the most fluid and natural sword fighting controls due to the motion plus controller. The western mixed with samurai art style was awesome, and some of the set pieces were actually quite well done. It also actually had deep, challenging combat for a hack and slash. You couldn't simply hack at an enemy and dodge every so often, you had to swing your sword in the right direction at the right time to hit them. It was a big break from the boring, grey art styles of many other games today and was actually different instead of trying to be "hardcore gaem!" like so many other games. And it all ran at 60fps, a very smooth and comfortable frame rate for a game of its type.

... now can you tell me why you hate the games you said are shit? You haven't said that yet.