Games that do NOT/did NOT deserve a sequel

[Cynical skeptic]

If Mass Effect was one game, it would be such a cluster fuck to processors no one would buy it.

... what the hell are you talking about? Something tells me you have no idea how computers work.

I guess that you are right, but wasn't Half Life a planned game series?

They wanted to make half-life 2, but its not like they purposefully split the story/gameplay up into three equal parts specifically to guarantee they could sell three mediocre games. Valve has always been about each game being the best game possible.

You do realise that they are all very popular franchises. Having a definite sequel planned means that players can aim all of their criticisms at the developers and allow them to refine it into a great game. I mean, Assassin's Creed 2 was better than the first and Mass effect 2 was better than the first (YMMV).

That would be the "half-ass" dance I'm talking about. Making games specifically targeting a set of demographics, and then attempting to better please them based upon their generalized criticism is a flawed concept. Not only must every critique pass through at least three degrees of separation before reaching a developer, because of these degrees of separation, its essentially a game of telephone.

The criticisms against me1 were about how all the inventory, skills, and weapon/armor systems were needlessly complex, as only a small handful of each ever mattered. After passing through several people, it became, "GAEM 2 COMPLICATD, U SIMPLER MAEK KK?" When what we wanted was more customization that actually affected something.

Basically, I'm tired of developers trying to appeal to me. I want them to make what they think is good, and if I don't like it, I can get fucked. Ya know (maybe), how it used to be.

So, Mass Effect should have been one game? No thanks.

A through playthrough of me1 will take upwards of 90 hours. Only around 6 hours of that is the actual plot of the game. Only another 10 or so is relevant to side-characters. There rest is farting around. You're saying you want that? You wouldn't prefer 30 hours of plot, 30 hours of characters, and 30 hours of fiddlefarting around?

Games use to be bigger. Now they're sliced up into small tasteless chunks.

 

[WorldCritic]

Bioshock, Left 4 Dead, and Portal.

 

[MisterShine]

I was trying to figure out if I wanted to talk about unnecessary fanservice in games, or needless sequels (no i'm not negative X3)

You know I was considering this myself just yesterday, and what with all the female fanservice going on in games, I was wondering why I thought:

Spoiler: Beyond Good and Evil's Jade

is one of the hottest girls in all of gaming, despite showing a minimum amount of skin. Is it because she's a journalist who discovers evil government plots and stops alien invasions using her head instead of blinding the male characters with her sexiness?

We may never know.

what about you? Is there a game and/or sequel out there you just want to see vanish?

I'm with you on Bioshock 2, that was just an insult to its predecessors memory.

Other items on my list:
Kane and Lynch 2
Manhunt 2
Army of Two 2 (har har)
Every sports game (maybe once every 5 years or so)

I'll update if I can think of more, I know I'm missing some..

 

[Xyliss]

Portal for fucks sake! Valve wont make Half Life Episode 3 they wont update TF2 on consoles they wont update Left 4 deads for consokes they dont care about theyre fans!

Portal was one of the best games ever made, so making it full-length with new mechanics will surely only make it better (If it is not as good then I will take this back but I think it will be)
They do care about their fans, alright they haven't done many updates but the games are still playable (and very good at that)
Also maybe if people stop whining constantly that they should make Half-life 3 then they might announce it quicker

 

[Twilight.falls]

Bioshock 2 was somewhat unnecessary. I don't know how but they made me feel less sympathy for the main character than I did for the first one. Delta only communicates in grunts. At least Jack had a spoken line.

Left 4 Dead 2 could have simply been an update for Left 4 Dead. Simply add on all the new stuff, no need to worry about story. Left 4 Dead already had none of it.

Looking forward to Portal 2. They're actually expanding the story and adding a multitude of new stuff. New gameplay elements, story, locations and added length. Portal succeeded in clever portal based puzzles. Portal 2 won't disappoint. Valve never does.

As for whoever said they're angry about Valve not updating consoles. Well, Mr. Newell has said time and time again he despises consoles. He's putting out Portal 2 on PS3 to make a profit.

Pokemon games bring innovation with every generation. Hell, none of the games are connected to each other, Red/Blue to Gold/Silver is the only direct sequel in the series. Not counting XD. I can forgive Nintendo. Pokemon is similar to an MMO, and you need to update content regularly.

 

[Twilight.falls]

Portal for fucks sake! Valve wont make Half Life Episode 3 they wont update TF2 on consoles they wont update Left 4 deads for consokes they dont care about theyre fans!

Portal was one of the best games ever made, so making it full-length with new mechanics will surely only make it better (If it is not as good then I will take this back but I think it will be)
They do care about their fans, alright they haven't done many updates but the games are still playable (and very good at that)
Also maybe if people stop whining constantly that they should make Half-life 3 then they might announce it quicker

I like the way you think, sir.

 

[Drop_D-Bombshell]

Resident evil.

Spoiler

The series went downhill after Raccoon City was nuked...

 

[Jazzyjazz2323]

well in the case of bioshock deserve is the wrong word bioshock was a good enough game to deserve one but needing one is a way different topic.

 

[NeedAUserName]

Spyro: Year of the Dragon, that game did not deserve that sequel.... I mean that was rough, that was "kick in the balls" rough.

 

[G-Force]

In response to all the jabs against Left 4 Dead 2, do you really think Valvue could have fit the massive amount of content the second game had as DLC. Not only were more weapons and zombies added but you have to remember that the graphics engine was overhauled in the sequel as well.

 

[thenoblitt]

Every 'planned trilogy' should've just been released as one game. Would've saved a fair number of IPs from near complete obscurity. Also forces developers to make better games, rather than doing the "half-ass" dance with each installment.

every planned trilogy huh? you obviously havent played mass effect 1 and 2

 

[starwarsgeek]

In response to all the jabs against Left 4 Dead 2, do you really think Valvue could have fit the massive amount of content the second game had as DLC. Not only were more weapons and zombies added but you have to remember that the graphics engine was overhauled in the sequel as well.

Exactly! Even if they had released it as DLC, and even if the consoles had received the updates:
1. The entire update would have to be saved to the hard drive
2. Microsoft would have charged the same price if the expansion was anywhere near the size of a complete game, just like ODST.

 

[EzraPound]

Doom 3 was a fairly awful sequel -- aside from the fact it's inconceivable that a new entry in the DOOM series could be canonical without John Romero (that's like The Beatles sans John Lennon), 3 was basically just a mediocre id engine showboat, and hardly retained any of the freneticism or gridational gameplay of the original.

 

[thenoblitt]

Toy story 3 (yeh its a movie but game is coming up to) Its been like ten years since Toy story 2 and it was finished already.

yeah but two story 3 was a damn good movie

 

[thenoblitt]

If Mass Effect was one game, it would be such a cluster fuck to processors no one would buy it.

... what the hell are you talking about? Something tells me you have no idea how computers work.

I guess that you are right, but wasn't Half Life a planned game series?

They wanted to make half-life 2, but its not like they purposefully split the story/gameplay up into three equal parts specifically to guarantee they could sell three mediocre games. Valve has always been about each game being the best game possible.

You do realise that they are all very popular franchises. Having a definite sequel planned means that players can aim all of their criticisms at the developers and allow them to refine it into a great game. I mean, Assassin's Creed 2 was better than the first and Mass effect 2 was better than the first (YMMV).

That would be the "half-ass" dance I'm talking about. Making games specifically targeting a set of demographics, and then attempting to better please them based upon their generalized criticism is a flawed concept. Not only must every critique pass through at least three degrees of separation before reaching a developer, because of these degrees of separation, its essentially a game of telephone.

The criticisms against me1 were about how all the inventory, skills, and weapon/armor systems were needlessly complex, as only a small handful of each ever mattered. After passing through several people, it became, "GAEM 2 COMPLICATD, U SIMPLER MAEK KK?" When what we wanted was more customization that actually affected something.

Basically, I'm tired of developers trying to appeal to me. I want them to make what they think is good, and if I don't like it, I can get fucked. Ya know (maybe), how it used to be.

So, Mass Effect should have been one game? No thanks.

A through playthrough of me1 will take upwards of 90 hours. Only around 6 hours of that is the actual plot of the game. Only another 10 or so is relevant to side-characters. There rest is farting around. You're saying you want that? You wouldn't prefer 30 hours of plot, 30 hours of characters, and 30 hours of fiddlefarting around?

Games use to be bigger. Now they're sliced up into small tasteless chunks.

bullshit 90 hours, have you ever played mass effect 1, thats what the time would be if you just walked everwhere, only took me 22 hours to finish every single planet and side mission, even if someone were to take there time it would only take 50 hours tops

 

[felixader]

Every 'planned trilogy' should've just been released as one game. Would've saved a fair number of IPs from near complete obscurity. Also forces developers to make better games, rather than doing the "half-ass" dance with each installment.

Except Half Life, Silent Hill (that is, until number four), System Shock (BioShock doesn't count), Portal and a number of more others.
Some games do deserve sequels, but most of them are crap.

OT: I would say COD, Medal of Honor, God of War, Gears of War, etc, etc, etc.

With planned sequels he means sequels of whom the developers even befroe the release of the first game say that there will be three parts of. Like the mentioned Mass Effect, althougth i have to say that the Mass Effect games are till now mainly very pretty to play and experience.

A better example would have been Too Human wich was also pitched as a planned three parter, just that this game sucked at every level and totally felt like it were cut of at the half had no conclution whatsoever and was overall a major case of awfull.

 

[Xyliss]

Portal for fucks sake! Valve wont make Half Life Episode 3 they wont update TF2 on consoles they wont update Left 4 deads for consokes they dont care about theyre fans!

Portal was one of the best games ever made, so making it full-length with new mechanics will surely only make it better (If it is not as good then I will take this back but I think it will be)
They do care about their fans, alright they haven't done many updates but the games are still playable (and very good at that)
Also maybe if people stop whining constantly that they should make Half-life 3 then they might announce it quicker

I like the way you think, sir.

Why thank you my good man. I just get annoyed when people have a go because they haven't released HL3 yet.

 

[Volafortis]

Two Worlds. I don't think anyone will disagree here.

 

[Cynical skeptic]

bullshit 90 hours, have you ever played mass effect 1, thats what the time would be if you just walked everwhere, only took me 22 hours to finish every single planet and side mission, even if someone were to take there time it would only take 50 hours tops

Whatever you say, I'm just going by what my save says.

Possibly inflated by time spent at the pause screen counting towards overall playtime, for some strange reason.

Mind you, I did everything. Overdid all the collection missions, drove around every rock looking for anything not on the map, all sidequests, all sidequestsidequests, bring down the sky, pinnacle station, everything.

And I still feel the game would've been better if, instead of slicing it up (mainly so the difficulty curve could be reset twice, to allow for facerolling), the entire story was told in one shot. Hell, they could even keep the two year jumps between games, and I still would've preferred that.

 

[DarthFennec]

Halo. It needed none of it's sequels. And Silent Hill, after The Room that series should have ended. Climax is nowhere near as good as Team Silent and they never will be, so they should drop that series and continue making other games, they are pretty good at it but they're just out of their league trying to pick up where Silent left off.