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soilent

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Feriluce said:
Rabid Meese said:
MiracleOfSound said:
Well, World of Warcraft obviousy (yes, it's, I know it's an MMORPG, stop throwing your Captain Picard figurines at me)
How is a flexible, balanced MMO, in which the company LISTENS to its fanbase, a danger to gaming? Because its popular, and does MMOs right? If MMO's want to compete; they should come up with original ideas, and get them to work. WoWs idea was accessability, and it worked pretty damn good.
I agree with you. The wow devs listen to its fanbase. The catch here is that most of the WoW fanbase is a whiny mess of entitled casuals. Just look at how horrible Wrath turned out.
I agree with you again on your second point. MMO's should indeed come up with original ideas. Problem is that they dont anymore. Why? Because they look at WoW, see its 10 mill subs and decide that if they does the same things as WoW they'll be just as successful. WoW has singlehandedly stagnated the whole MMO genre and that is why its bad for gaming in general.

Theres a nice post about it here as well:
http://www.wolfsheadonline.com/?p=4221#91a20
Fallen Earth, Eve Online, neither of these are anything like WoW, your arguement is flawed because these games exist.
 

Feriluce

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soilent said:
Feriluce said:
Rabid Meese said:
MiracleOfSound said:
Well, World of Warcraft obviousy (yes, it's, I know it's an MMORPG, stop throwing your Captain Picard figurines at me)
How is a flexible, balanced MMO, in which the company LISTENS to its fanbase, a danger to gaming? Because its popular, and does MMOs right? If MMO's want to compete; they should come up with original ideas, and get them to work. WoWs idea was accessability, and it worked pretty damn good.
I agree with you. The wow devs listen to its fanbase. The catch here is that most of the WoW fanbase is a whiny mess of entitled casuals. Just look at how horrible Wrath turned out.
I agree with you again on your second point. MMO's should indeed come up with original ideas. Problem is that they dont anymore. Why? Because they look at WoW, see its 10 mill subs and decide that if they does the same things as WoW they'll be just as successful. WoW has singlehandedly stagnated the whole MMO genre and that is why its bad for gaming in general.

Theres a nice post about it here as well:
http://www.wolfsheadonline.com/?p=4221#91a20
Fallen Earth, Eve Online, neither of these are anything like WoW, your arguement is flawed because these games exist.
No its not, and before you start trying to take my argument down, you should probalby have taken a look at wikipedia. Eve online was released in 2003, so obviously it wasn't influenced by the wow syndrome.
Yes there are some innovation in the industry, but its very little compared to what it could be. Did you even read the article I linked? If you didn't then you frankly shouldn't comment on my post.
 

Atmos Duality

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MiracleOfSound said:
WOW is the most addictive game out there and is an easy scapegoat for people who want to blame all the world's ills on gaming. I even saw a Dr Phil episode about couple whose lives were 'ruined' by WOW.
I won't presume to speak for anyone else, but my own gaming group was ruined for about three years because of WoW. They were too busy grinding and raiding to play anything else.
And they never once sounded like they were having fun; just endless bitching.
But they kept playing anyway. I have no idea why someone would put up with that for so long.

That's my axe to grind with WoW.
 

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witheringsanity said:
Fox KITSUNE said:
Because the only 3D I've seen and like alittle is waht nintendo is doing with the 3DS or 3DDS or whatever it's called.
3DDs... wasn't she in total recall?
HA! Well played young sir, Well Played.
 

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Souplex said:
Half Life 2 is a threat to other games, not in that it takes their sales; but in that it corrupts them, twisting them in it's own average image. Before Half Life 2 we had few games aboot power-armored non-characters fighting generically evil aliens, using generic weapons, while assisted by an annoying shoe-horned in minority sidekick/love interest.
Also: Valve is a proponent of digital distribution which is also bad.
Yeah, because Doom didn't do that...
Any mario sports game besides mario kart. Kart established the kart racing genre, while the sports games feel like a cheap cash in.
I don't want to see him play baseball, I want to crush goombas beneath my feet.
 

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Thyunda said:
Since its creation, the videogaming industry has spawned a few games that seemed to cripple their brethren.
It's easiest to explain through an example. Since the release of Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, my thirteen year old brother has played nothing else.
Despite personal preferences, I'm sure we can all agree that Rome: Total War is an absolute classic. He looked at the Desktop icon, and said 'it's not my thing.'
I asked what his thing was. He launched into a lengthy anecdote about the aforementioned first person shooter. I tried to convince him to play Borderlands, with much the same result.
So the point I give to you, dear Escapists, is a question. Do you share my experiences? And with which games?
2D shooters were all the rage back in the late 80s/ early 90s yet I doubt many on these forums play them.

Yet, there are still a GREAT many being released all the time (mainly from Japan though). It's the same with point and click adventures.

Yes, they don't make the money they used to, neither are they as prolific as FPs, but as long as there are fans to previous games of the genre, there will always be some of those same fans who will collaborate to make more.
 

Kadamon

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Spore.
It hurt the industry by making me sink in 80 dollars for a crap game and extra shit.
 

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Not a single person I've met in public school likes most of the games I like (save for the few FPSes I play, cause to be honest, there's only a few of them)

All my friends from my first school have the same (basic) interests as me, because they introduced videogames to me. Most of them like the same RPGs or RTSes as me, because they got me into them. The guys who aren't big on them still like some of the same games as me, for example, Fallout 3 or anything by Valve.

The people in my second private school really didn't play too many games, so... no comment.
 

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It's gotta be WoW for me too. There was a period of about two years where there were no other games that I played. On the good side, once I'd quit there was an awsome backlog of games that I discovered.
 

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Hm... Wii? Maybe? Motion controls are still somewhat in its infancy...

Playstation Move and the Microsoft Wave (or Project Natal) are brave steps towards trying to make it better, but I'm not convinced it's the right time for it. Maybe when the Wii can produce great games from third party developers, but other than that, all what we have on the Wii at this stage are games that would work better with a traditional controller. Red Steel 2 being an exception to this.
Wait.. what?
Brave steps, implementing a technology that no one has ever used in ages because it was deemed to gimmicky, that was brave, copying the same product that another company used and trying to steal that other company's success (or at least trying to) it pretty stupid and cowardly if you ask me.

And how are they making it better? The things aren't even out yet. Get some facts or at least some serious opinions behind your posts, the only things we've seen so far that are getting released with the wii accesories for 360 and ps3, are pretty much "mature" versions of wii mini-games, by mature I of course mean, with no color.

...also, wii is the best thing that could have happened to gaming as a whole, now even grandparents know that gaming is not something "evil" and "weird" that kids do, because now they fucking do it too. Game Overthinker (aka. moviebob) has expressed it way better than I have in the past but the point remains, the more gaming becomes mainstream, the better for all of us.
 

major28

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Feriluce said:
soilent said:
Feriluce said:
Rabid Meese said:
MiracleOfSound said:
Well, World of Warcraft obviousy (yes, it's, I know it's an MMORPG, stop throwing your Captain Picard figurines at me)
How is a flexible, balanced MMO, in which the company LISTENS to its fanbase, a danger to gaming? Because its popular, and does MMOs right? If MMO's want to compete; they should come up with original ideas, and get them to work. WoWs idea was accessability, and it worked pretty damn good.
I agree with you. The wow devs listen to its fanbase. The catch here is that most of the WoW fanbase is a whiny mess of entitled casuals. Just look at how horrible Wrath turned out.
I agree with you again on your second point. MMO's should indeed come up with original ideas. Problem is that they dont anymore. Why? Because they look at WoW, see its 10 mill subs and decide that if they does the same things as WoW they'll be just as successful. WoW has singlehandedly stagnated the whole MMO genre and that is why its bad for gaming in general.

Theres a nice post about it here as well:
http://www.wolfsheadonline.com/?p=4221#91a20
Fallen Earth, Eve Online, neither of these are anything like WoW, your arguement is flawed because these games exist.
No its not, and before you start trying to take my argument down, you should probalby have taken a look at wikipedia. Eve online was released in 2003, so obviously it wasn't influenced by the wow syndrome.
Yes there are some innovation in the industry, but its very little compared to what it could be. Did you even read the article I linked? If you didn't then you frankly shouldn't comment on my post.
i love that you are talking to him like he just made some ethical injustice and it is your sole responcibility to show him right from wrong

oh btw... w8 for it... w8 for it ... WoW is lame
 

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I think the term used is... Shovelware? You know, the heaping amount of games made for no other reason then cashing in on a demographic. When a game comes out that's ether A: Based on a Movie or TV Franchise, B: A quick knockoff of another series, sold at a lower price, to make money off of being similar to a good game, C. Made specifically for kids ages 0-5 or 13-16 and does nothing to hide it, or D. Bad Minigame compilations that usually fit in to one of the aforementioned categories.

Since they make a good chunk of the market (and, unlike similar movies, are sold along side the good games) this paints the picture that games as simple toys for kids and only kids. That leads some ignorant parents to believe that games like CoD: MW2 or God of War 3 are also for kids (and probably only for kids). Then, shit hits the fan as what many users have mentioned before...

Thyunda said:
Since the release of Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, my thirteen year old brother has played nothing else.
xHipaboo420x said:
The Call Of Duty series has become a bloated, annually-installed monstrosity that even its creators have now abandoned. It will implode, taking the industry with it.
Persi said:
Yes, all gaming stereotypes or at least most of them play MW2. It takes NO skill, people just sit in the corner with a shotgun like it's Camp of duty shotgun edition, or they just rush with assault rifles.
Plurralbles said:
mindless shooting in self contained missions and then being flung into multiplayer is his defnition of what he likes best?

Grrrrrrrrrr. Pretty much the games that are so mind numbing such as COD.
I'd like to think this is the reason CoD is such an icon for the gaming world... not a good icon at all, but this is why people shun them. Shovelware confuses the parents and Gritty Shooters in term sell well because of it. Then onlookers start noticing kids playing shoot-em-ups and blame the industry for being nothing but gritty murder simulators.
 

major28

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Atmos Duality said:
MiracleOfSound said:
WOW is the most addictive game out there and is an easy scapegoat for people who want to blame all the world's ills on gaming. I even saw a Dr Phil episode about couple whose lives were 'ruined' by WOW.
I won't presume to speak for anyone else, but my own gaming group was ruined for about three years because of WoW. They were too busy grinding and raiding to play anything else.
And they never once sounded like they were having fun; just endless bitching.
But they kept playing anyway. I have no idea why someone would put up with that for so long.

That's my axe to grind with WoW.
me and some of my friends had the same probablem with runescape then oneday while i was fishing so i would have enough food to go on a few more killing sprees i realized i am virtualy fishing on a day that is so nice i could actually go fishing and right after that i logged off and havent been back

P.S. and this is way off topic but im on the last chapter of final fantasy 13 and am in orphans cradel and i feel like the grunt monsters are harder than the boss battles anyone else feel this way

P.S.S. to be clear i grinded for like 15 hours in the great plains before i got here and am super pissed that im still getting pwned
 

Feriluce

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major28 said:
Feriluce said:
soilent said:
Feriluce said:
Rabid Meese said:
MiracleOfSound said:
Well, World of Warcraft obviousy (yes, it's, I know it's an MMORPG, stop throwing your Captain Picard figurines at me)
How is a flexible, balanced MMO, in which the company LISTENS to its fanbase, a danger to gaming? Because its popular, and does MMOs right? If MMO's want to compete; they should come up with original ideas, and get them to work. WoWs idea was accessability, and it worked pretty damn good.
I agree with you. The wow devs listen to its fanbase. The catch here is that most of the WoW fanbase is a whiny mess of entitled casuals. Just look at how horrible Wrath turned out.
I agree with you again on your second point. MMO's should indeed come up with original ideas. Problem is that they dont anymore. Why? Because they look at WoW, see its 10 mill subs and decide that if they does the same things as WoW they'll be just as successful. WoW has singlehandedly stagnated the whole MMO genre and that is why its bad for gaming in general.

Theres a nice post about it here as well:
http://www.wolfsheadonline.com/?p=4221#91a20
Fallen Earth, Eve Online, neither of these are anything like WoW, your arguement is flawed because these games exist.
No its not, and before you start trying to take my argument down, you should probalby have taken a look at wikipedia. Eve online was released in 2003, so obviously it wasn't influenced by the wow syndrome.
Yes there are some innovation in the industry, but its very little compared to what it could be. Did you even read the article I linked? If you didn't then you frankly shouldn't comment on my post.
i love that you are talking to him like he just made some ethical injustice and it is your sole responcibility to show him right from wrong

oh btw... w8 for it... w8 for it ... WoW is lame
 

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MiracleOfSound said:
Well, World of Warcraft obviousy (yes, it's, I know it's an MMORPG, stop throwing your Captain Picard figurines at me)
That's it, I'm making them.

A new Trekkie toy, it will be a box of figurines labeled:

"Captain Picard Throwing Figurines"

I'll make millions.
 

major28

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Feriluce said:
major28 said:
Feriluce said:
soilent said:
Feriluce said:
Rabid Meese said:
MiracleOfSound said:
Well, World of Warcraft obviousy (yes, it's, I know it's an MMORPG, stop throwing your Captain Picard figurines at me)
How is a flexible, balanced MMO, in which the company LISTENS to its fanbase, a danger to gaming? Because its popular, and does MMOs right? If MMO's want to compete; they should come up with original ideas, and get them to work. WoWs idea was accessability, and it worked pretty damn good.
I agree with you. The wow devs listen to its fanbase. The catch here is that most of the WoW fanbase is a whiny mess of entitled casuals. Just look at how horrible Wrath turned out.
I agree with you again on your second point. MMO's should indeed come up with original ideas. Problem is that they dont anymore. Why? Because they look at WoW, see its 10 mill subs and decide that if they does the same things as WoW they'll be just as successful. WoW has singlehandedly stagnated the whole MMO genre and that is why its bad for gaming in general.

Theres a nice post about it here as well:
http://www.wolfsheadonline.com/?p=4221#91a20
Fallen Earth, Eve Online, neither of these are anything like WoW, your arguement is flawed because these games exist.
No its not, and before you start trying to take my argument down, you should probalby have taken a look at wikipedia. Eve online was released in 2003, so obviously it wasn't influenced by the wow syndrome.
Yes there are some innovation in the industry, but its very little compared to what it could be. Did you even read the article I linked? If you didn't then you frankly shouldn't comment on my post.
i love that you are talking to him like he just made some ethical injustice and it is your sole responcibility to show him right from wrong

oh btw... w8 for it... w8 for it ... WoW is lame
lol that is funny