Games That Threaten The Industry

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[Thyunda]

Since the release of Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, my thirteen year old brother has played nothing else.

Can I point out that this is technically illegal. The big red 18 on the front of the box should give that away...

Eh, it's not a legal issue, it's a recommendation. There is no legal penalty for 'underage gaming'

No, I'm sorry to inform you, but you are wrong. It's not a recommendation; it's a legally binding minimum age requirement to purchase such material. It's the same with alcohol and tobacco. They don't have 'recommended' age limit in which anyone can go and buy it, it's restricted to adults for a reason. The same is with games. The mature content is intended for adults only and it's a simple fact that buying it for a minor is against the law.

Buying it AS a minor carries a penalty for the SELLER, not the buyer. Buying it FOR a minor is not illegal. Playing an age restricted game as a minor is not illegal. At least I've never seen any legislation saying otherwise, and I seriously doubt as to whether such legislation would be enforcible.

Just because it's not enforcible doesn't make it legal

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Why do you even care? That particular law is bullshit and I wouldn't obey it even if there was the death penalty involved. Tobacco and alcohol are damaging, and the general underage population isn't likely to be aware of the problems attached.
Where games are concerned though, the general population isn't going to suffer any real negative consequences. I mean, I've been playing GTA since I was real small, and I'm academically and socially successful.

 

[Chrono212]

Since the release of Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, my thirteen year old brother has played nothing else.

Can I point out that this is technically illegal. The big red 18 on the front of the box should give that away...

Eh, it's not a legal issue, it's a recommendation. There is no legal penalty for 'underage gaming'

No, I'm sorry to inform you, but you are wrong. It's not a recommendation; it's a legally binding minimum age requirement to purchase such material. It's the same with alcohol and tobacco. They don't have 'recommended' age limit in which anyone can go and buy it, it's restricted to adults for a reason. The same is with games. The mature content is intended for adults only and it's a simple fact that buying it for a minor is against the law.

Buying it AS a minor carries a penalty for the SELLER, not the buyer. Buying it FOR a minor is not illegal. Playing an age restricted game as a minor is not illegal. At least I've never seen any legislation saying otherwise, and I seriously doubt as to whether such legislation would be enforcible.

Just because it's not enforcible doesn't make it legal

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Why do you even care? That particular law is bullshit and I wouldn't obey it even if there was the death penalty involved. Tobacco and alcohol are damaging, and the general underage population isn't likely to be aware of the problems attached.
Where games are concerned though, the general population isn't going to suffer any real negative consequences. I mean, I've been playing GTA since I was real small, and I'm academically and socially successful.

Because it's the principle. The only way the industry as a whole will get respect and shake of the steriotype that all gamers are 14 year old guys who stay in the rooms all the time is if we all obey the law like everyone else. Ergo, if it says 18 on the box, only 18 year olds should have it.

 

[Thyunda]

*snip*

It's the God-damned principle I'm fighting! If you can't give me a damn good reason why I oughtn't own a game, then I'll own that game! If it said on a book, DO NOT READ IF YOUR ESCAPIST NAME STARTS WITH C, would you avoid reading that book just because the sign said so?!

No. I don't think you would. If you wanna bend over because the government says so, you go do that, but until I have a fully explained and justified reason behind the law, I will disobey it.

 

[PrimoThePro]

No. Me and my brother always try to play all games before passing judgement. I will admit however, that I have commented on games without playing them yet, and that makes me a hypocrite. But I do try to play them all before I berate them all.

 

[Chrono212]

*snip*

It's the God-damned principle I'm fighting! If you can't give me a damn good reason why I oughtn't own a game, then I'll own that game! If it said on a book, DO NOT READ IF YOUR ESCAPIST NAME STARTS WITH C, would you avoid reading that book just because the sign said so?!

No. I don't think you would. If you wanna bend over because the government says so, you go do that, but until I have a fully explained and justified reason behind the law, I will disobey it.

(You could just look at my age and blow my whole argument out of the water )
They have started putting lables on books.

BUT, you have to agree that parents need to know about age classification so that they can make 'informed decisions' about what is appropriate for little Timmy

 

[Thyunda]

*snip*

It's the God-damned principle I'm fighting! If you can't give me a damn good reason why I oughtn't own a game, then I'll own that game! If it said on a book, DO NOT READ IF YOUR ESCAPIST NAME STARTS WITH C, would you avoid reading that book just because the sign said so?!

No. I don't think you would. If you wanna bend over because the government says so, you go do that, but until I have a fully explained and justified reason behind the law, I will disobey it.

(You could just look at my age and blow my whole argument out of the water )
They have started putting lables on books

Yes, but not totally arbitrary warnings like my hypothetical example.

In fact, I'ma pull Kant on your ass.
I ignore age ratings on videogames. If everybody in the world ignored age ratings on videogames all the time, we'd be no worse off than we are now.
Universal Law for the win. And, I just morally justified ignoring age ratings.

 

[Chrono212]

*snip*

It's the God-damned principle I'm fighting! If you can't give me a damn good reason why I oughtn't own a game, then I'll own that game! If it said on a book, DO NOT READ IF YOUR ESCAPIST NAME STARTS WITH C, would you avoid reading that book just because the sign said so?!

No. I don't think you would. If you wanna bend over because the government says so, you go do that, but until I have a fully explained and justified reason behind the law, I will disobey it.

(You could just look at my age and blow my whole argument out of the water )
They have started putting lables on books

Yes, but not totally arbitrary warnings like my hypothetical example.

In fact, I'ma pull Kant on your ass.
I ignore age ratings on videogames. If everybody in the world ignored age ratings on videogames all the time, we'd be no worse off than we are now.
Universal Law for the win. And, I just morally justified ignoring age ratings.

...Kant?
And have a look at my edit

 

[Thyunda]

*snip*

It's the God-damned principle I'm fighting! If you can't give me a damn good reason why I oughtn't own a game, then I'll own that game! If it said on a book, DO NOT READ IF YOUR ESCAPIST NAME STARTS WITH C, would you avoid reading that book just because the sign said so?!

No. I don't think you would. If you wanna bend over because the government says so, you go do that, but until I have a fully explained and justified reason behind the law, I will disobey it.

(You could just look at my age and blow my whole argument out of the water )
They have started putting lables on books

Yes, but not totally arbitrary warnings like my hypothetical example.

In fact, I'ma pull Kant on your ass.
I ignore age ratings on videogames. If everybody in the world ignored age ratings on videogames all the time, we'd be no worse off than we are now.
Universal Law for the win. And, I just morally justified ignoring age ratings.

...Kant?
And have a look at my edit

Immanuel Kant. Moral philosopher...19th century I think. Founded the social maxims...clever stuff.

As for your edit, if Mr and Mrs Timmy want to know if a game is appropriate...take a look at the back of the box. If it's a first person shooter, I can pretty much guarantee there will be some degree of violence.

 

[Chrono212]

*snip*

It's the God-damned principle I'm fighting! If you can't give me a damn good reason why I oughtn't own a game, then I'll own that game! If it said on a book, DO NOT READ IF YOUR ESCAPIST NAME STARTS WITH C, would you avoid reading that book just because the sign said so?!

No. I don't think you would. If you wanna bend over because the government says so, you go do that, but until I have a fully explained and justified reason behind the law, I will disobey it.

(You could just look at my age and blow my whole argument out of the water )
They have started putting lables on books

Yes, but not totally arbitrary warnings like my hypothetical example.

In fact, I'ma pull Kant on your ass.
I ignore age ratings on videogames. If everybody in the world ignored age ratings on videogames all the time, we'd be no worse off than we are now.
Universal Law for the win. And, I just morally justified ignoring age ratings.

...Kant?
And have a look at my edit

Immanuel Kant. Moral philosopher...19th century I think. Founded the social maxims...clever stuff.

As for your edit, if Mr and Mrs Timmy want to know if a game is appropriate...take a look at the back of the box. If it's a first person shooter, I can pretty much guarantee there will be some degree of violence.

I forfeit...you are the better arguer...now fight for the BLUES!

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[AMMO Kid]

So the point I give to you, dear Escapists, is a question. Do you share my experiences? And with which games?

I wouldn't say games like that threaten the industry, so much as people who only play one game ever threaten the extinction of the human race

 

[Thyunda]

So the point I give to you, dear Escapists, is a question. Do you share my experiences? And with which games?

I wouldn't say games like that threaten the industry, so much as people who only play one game ever threaten the extinction of the human race

But they do cripple the industry around them when gamers refuse to look at anything else, bar a select few.

And what did the second point have to do with anything?

 

[Thaius]

Umm... with all due respect, that's not an issue.

Call of Duty is a good series. Just because young kids are stupid and shallow doesn't mean Call of Duty has somehow caused it any more than people committing crimes means they were spurred to by violent video games: the logic is the same. Shallow people looking for a mindless, fast-paced shoot-em-up will go to them (and use none of the potential strategy for it at that). Some people are stupid and shallow: that is not the fault of any game, but rather, their shallowness will drive them to one genre, usually the one that offers the most game-related thrills with the least amount of thought.

Did you by any chance just read the original post? Because, you'll find, my good sir, that you have missed my point entirely.

Well I did read it, but I read it again upon discovery of your reply... and if I missed your point, I would love to hear what it is. Sorry to be such a nuisance, but your post is all about how your brother won't play anything but Modern Warfare 2, and you seem to blame the game. Thus making my response spot-on. Did I interpret your post incorrectly?

 

[Thyunda]

Umm... with all due respect, that's not an issue.

Call of Duty is a good series. Just because young kids are stupid and shallow doesn't mean Call of Duty has somehow caused it any more than people committing crimes means they were spurred to by violent video games: the logic is the same. Shallow people looking for a mindless, fast-paced shoot-em-up will go to them (and use none of the potential strategy for it at that). Some people are stupid and shallow: that is not the fault of any game, but rather, their shallowness will drive them to one genre, usually the one that offers the most game-related thrills with the least amount of thought.

Did you by any chance just read the original post? Because, you'll find, my good sir, that you have missed my point entirely.

Well I did read it, but I read it again upon discovery of your reply... and if I missed your point, I would love to hear what it is. Sorry to be such a nuisance, but your post is all about how your brother won't play anything but Modern Warfare 2, and you seem to blame the game. Thus making my response spot-on. Did I interpret your post incorrectly?

That wasn't the problem. From the looks of it, you've read the original post and only the original post. You'll notice I clarified the point several times over the course of this discussion.
I'm not blaming the game. No, far from it. This isn't an accusation, it's an observation. Certain games, MW2 being the current example, manage to captivate a stupidly large amount of people over a stupidly long amount of time. During this time, other games are going to have a hard time getting off the shelves, since the gamers won't be exposed to any form of advertisement, except for word of mouth, which, as I explained, simply doesn't work.

 

[Wicky_42]

Spoiler: snip

Since the release of Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, my thirteen year old brother has played nothing else.

Can I point out that this is technically illegal. The big red 18 on the front of the box should give that away...

Eh, it's not a legal issue, it's a recommendation. There is no legal penalty for 'underage gaming'

No, I'm sorry to inform you, but you are wrong. It's not a recommendation; it's a legally binding minimum age requirement to purchase such material. It's the same with alcohol and tobacco. They don't have 'recommended' age limit in which anyone can go and buy it, it's restricted to adults for a reason. The same is with games. The mature content is intended for adults only and it's a simple fact that buying it for a minor is against the law.

Buying it AS a minor carries a penalty for the SELLER, not the buyer. Buying it FOR a minor is not illegal. Playing an age restricted game as a minor is not illegal. At least I've never seen any legislation saying otherwise, and I seriously doubt as to whether such legislation would be enforcible.

Just because it's not enforcible doesn't make it legal

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And I'm saying it's not illegal. And not enforcible. But mostly not illegal.

 

[Chrono212]

Spoiler: snip

Since the release of Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, my thirteen year old brother has played nothing else.

Can I point out that this is technically illegal. The big red 18 on the front of the box should give that away...

Eh, it's not a legal issue, it's a recommendation. There is no legal penalty for 'underage gaming'

No, I'm sorry to inform you, but you are wrong. It's not a recommendation; it's a legally binding minimum age requirement to purchase such material. It's the same with alcohol and tobacco. They don't have 'recommended' age limit in which anyone can go and buy it, it's restricted to adults for a reason. The same is with games. The mature content is intended for adults only and it's a simple fact that buying it for a minor is against the law.

Buying it AS a minor carries a penalty for the SELLER, not the buyer. Buying it FOR a minor is not illegal. Playing an age restricted game as a minor is not illegal. At least I've never seen any legislation saying otherwise, and I seriously doubt as to whether such legislation would be enforcible.

Just because it's not enforcible doesn't make it legal

Off Topic: NEED HELP! http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/362.198093-Escapist-Tug-of-War-May-2010-Set-GO?page=1

And I'm saying it's not illegal. And not enforcible. But mostly not illegal.

I'm pretty sure it violates the lenghtly terms of use that all online things have...somewhere between the 'don't use XBL to make WMDs' and 'Microsoft now owns your soul'

 

[AMMO Kid]

So the point I give to you, dear Escapists, is a question. Do you share my experiences? And with which games?

I wouldn't say games like that threaten the industry, so much as people who only play one game ever threaten the extinction of the human race

But they do cripple the industry around them when gamers refuse to look at anything else, bar a select few.

And what did the second point have to do with anything?

Very well! I will take my sarcastic sense of humor...Elsewhere!

 

[Wicky_42]

Spoiler: snip

Since the release of Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, my thirteen year old brother has played nothing else.

Can I point out that this is technically illegal. The big red 18 on the front of the box should give that away...

Eh, it's not a legal issue, it's a recommendation. There is no legal penalty for 'underage gaming'

No, I'm sorry to inform you, but you are wrong. It's not a recommendation; it's a legally binding minimum age requirement to purchase such material. It's the same with alcohol and tobacco. They don't have 'recommended' age limit in which anyone can go and buy it, it's restricted to adults for a reason. The same is with games. The mature content is intended for adults only and it's a simple fact that buying it for a minor is against the law.

Buying it AS a minor carries a penalty for the SELLER, not the buyer. Buying it FOR a minor is not illegal. Playing an age restricted game as a minor is not illegal. At least I've never seen any legislation saying otherwise, and I seriously doubt as to whether such legislation would be enforcible.

Just because it's not enforcible doesn't make it legal

Off Topic: NEED HELP! http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/362.198093-Escapist-Tug-of-War-May-2010-Set-GO?page=1

And I'm saying it's not illegal. And not enforcible. But mostly not illegal.

I'm pretty sure it violates the lenghtly terms of use that all online things have...somewhere between the 'don't use XBL to make WMDs' and 'Microsoft now owns your soul'

Hah - you could probably sneeze and it would manage to violate someone's EULA Those things don't have any real power, as far as I can see. I don't know if violating one of them is 'illegal' so much as a breach of terms of use.

 

[Chrono212]

Spoiler: snip

Since the release of Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, my thirteen year old brother has played nothing else.

Can I point out that this is technically illegal. The big red 18 on the front of the box should give that away...

Eh, it's not a legal issue, it's a recommendation. There is no legal penalty for 'underage gaming'

No, I'm sorry to inform you, but you are wrong. It's not a recommendation; it's a legally binding minimum age requirement to purchase such material. It's the same with alcohol and tobacco. They don't have 'recommended' age limit in which anyone can go and buy it, it's restricted to adults for a reason. The same is with games. The mature content is intended for adults only and it's a simple fact that buying it for a minor is against the law.

Buying it AS a minor carries a penalty for the SELLER, not the buyer. Buying it FOR a minor is not illegal. Playing an age restricted game as a minor is not illegal. At least I've never seen any legislation saying otherwise, and I seriously doubt as to whether such legislation would be enforcible.

Just because it's not enforcible doesn't make it legal

Off Topic: NEED HELP! http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/362.198093-Escapist-Tug-of-War-May-2010-Set-GO?page=1

And I'm saying it's not illegal. And not enforcible. But mostly not illegal.

I'm pretty sure it violates the lenghtly terms of use that all online things have...somewhere between the 'don't use XBL to make WMDs' and 'Microsoft now owns your soul'

Hah - you could probably sneeze and it would manage to violate someone's EULA Those things don't have any real power, as far as I can see. I don't know if violating one of them is 'illegal' so much as a breach of terms of use.

Breach of terms of use - Illegal
Illegal - Breach of terms of use
Still an excuse to get sued :/

 

[Orcus The Ultimate]

i complain the newer generation, they are having the most basic and dumbest games there were ever... although technologically speaking graphics and shit are topnotch, the storylines, character backgrounds and all that goes with it is nothing comparable with games before 2004.