ultra_v_89 said:
0thello said:
ultra_v_89 said:
Would you really say that the experience a white dude has playing CJ is similar to what a black dude has playing as, say , Gordon Freeman?
Yep, I would say that. Gordan Freeman didn't talk though so it's a bit tougher to discern but a picture is worth a thousand words. Especially if you're seeing that picture in almost every game you ever play.
ultra_v_89 said:
Personally, I don't think its a matter of race as much as it is culture.
These two are pretty much inseperable. Especially in the perspective of how GTA works.
ultra_v_89 said:
Nobody would say anything against Louis from L4D but CJ was a crim who hung around with twats and spoke with such a thick street dialect, I had to put the game on mute just so I would stop jumping him under cars.
"Its CJ, fooool! You remember dat!"
Oh SOME people did & would. Louis was a token he does not undermine the basic premise.
Right on, Gordon probably wasn't the best example to use but he was the whitest video game character I could think of, besides Kratos, who's voiced by a black dude, so that would be another crap example. Anyway, thats interesting none the less and may I ask
your feelings towards CJ, do you find him a likable/ sympathetic/ relatable protagonist?
Well I liked CJ, he wasn't fleshed out as much as Niko was/is but Tommy Vercetti wasn't fleshed out as much as CJ was, so it becomes apparent that the short comings of the characters are merely the short comings of the developmental teams and minds behind them.
CJ is still the most Altruistic character to come out of the GTA series (with the exception of Vic Vance). Sure CJ is no Zasalamel and lacks the compelling element of overt signs of "formal education", but he reeks of statist victimization. The developers did not do a good job of explaining his back story, his neighbourhood, his peers, his rivals and his situations. Rock Star had a great chance to shed some light on social issues, they were in the midst of (and had access to) a lot of articulate people who could have easily gave them direction. I like CJ for what little he was, a rare character, a potential diamond in the rough that may have opened the doors for better characters of his ilk, it's a shame he ultimately failed to reach the larger demographic because of lack of experience with dealing with this archetype (or maybe a shameless detest). However this falls at the feet of the developers not CJ, not his archetype, not his supposed culture. Maybe if they had gotten David Simon or someone with more passion for the social-realist genre they could have done a better job with his story and environment.
But hey if at first you don't succeed try, try again right?
With the experience the developers have, they will have next to no excuses next time around.
