Games you like that you can admit can be a bit cringe-worthy sometimes

[irish286]

Seriously dude, pick your thread titles better. I was hoping for game mechanic discussions not another SJW thread...

 

[WindKnight]

Its not so much delicate sensibilities, as they would not have put it in the first place if they had known what they didn't when they put it in.

To put it another way, finding out facts they were unaware of, what they changed didn't fit their artistic vision, and never really did.

But, if it wasn't the intention, what does it matter?

If no offense is intended, then people shouldn't take it, and if they do so, it's entirely their fault.

Your not actually answering my question. The material as it stands, the creator having been made aware, is not their artistic vision, and wants to change it - leaving it alone would compromise their artistic vision.

As to your answer - intentions really don't matter - if you cause someone harm, 'not meaning to' doesn't magically make them not hurt.

 

[Bilious Green_v1legacy]

Its not so much delicate sensibilities, as they would not have put it in the first place if they had known what they didn't when they put it in.

To put it another way, finding out facts they were unaware of, what they changed didn't fit their artistic vision, and never really did.

But, if it wasn't the intention, what does it matter?

If no offense is intended, then people shouldn't take it, and if they do so, it's entirely their fault.

Your not actually answering my question. The material as it stands, the creator having been made aware, is not their artistic vision, and wants to change it - leaving it alone would compromise their artistic vision.

As to your answer - intentions really don't matter - if you cause someone harm, 'not meaning to' doesn't magically make them not hurt.

But that doesn't obligate them to do anything about it. They might decide to change something to alleviate the offence as a matter of courtesy, but there should be no requirement or expectation that they do so. No-one has a right to demand that nothing offend them.

Stephen Fry summed it up pretty succinctly:

"It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so fucking what."

 

[wulf3n]

intentions really don't matter - if you cause someone harm, 'not meaning to' doesn't magically make them not hurt.

It depends on the type of hurt.

If a person kills someone sure, whether it was manslaughter or murder probably isn't much, if any, consolation to those affected.

But if someone stepped on someone else's foot, whether or not it was intentional would matter a lot, to me at least.

 

[Danbo Jambo]

I think we need to be a little careful in generalising in cases like this. In both of the first two DA games, a lot of generic character models were used, with the characters heads mounted on standard bodily models. Actually creating separate models for old women and old men might well have been an extra task the art team didn't have time for, especially with DA2 compressed production cycle, so they used the generic bodies, which produced some incongruous results. That does not necessarily mean it was an intentional decision to make everyone busty, it may simply have been a limitation of the resources they had to work with. Personally, I think this situation was simply a technical compromise rather than a design choice.

In the specific case of Flemeth however, I think you might actually have a valid argument, as she was unaccountably sexed up for reasons never fully explored. I think perhaps in part it was to give her an "iconic" appearance to strengthen character identity, but the actual design itself was kind of off base and did end up being weirdly fetishy and OoC.

Good point and I'd not considered that.

And yeah, it wasn't just Flemeth's appearane, it was her whole demeanor. It just all felt out of place.

 

[Amaror]

Seriously dude, pick your thread titles better. I was hoping for game mechanic discussions not another SJW thread...

It was never meant to be an "SJW" thread. The original post did a very poor job of explaining the intention behind the thread. English isn't my first language and I had a rather hard time of coming up with the right choice of words to explain myself when originally creating the thread. I updated the OP a second time to better represent my original intention behind the thread, though it might be too late for that.

 

[Davroth]

If I had to cringe while playing it, it wouldn't be a favorite game of mine to start with. This is a weird question to pose. And it seems to target more towards finding game someone likes that make other people cringe.

 

[Amaror]

If I had to cringe while playing it, it wouldn't be a favorite game of mine to start with. This is a weird question to pose. And it seems to target more towards finding game someone likes that make other people cringe.

It's not about games that just consistently make you cringe. It's about games that you do like, but there's one, mostly tiny and insignificant, thing in it that makes you cringe a bit. Or it makes you roll your eyes.
For example the tower-defense game in Assassins Creed: Revelations that felt a bit weird and really out of place, for me at least.
Or Miranda's ass-shots in Mass Effect that just made me roll my eyes by how blatant they were. I don't dislike looking at pretty behinds, but it just felt weird when half the screen was covered in butt.
Stuff like that. Maybe cringe isn't the right word for it. I really have a bit of trouble describing this right. It's mostly about small things in games you generally liked that bothered you a bit, but not enough to actually make the game a significantly worse experience.

 

[Nazulu]

If I had to cringe while playing it, it wouldn't be a favorite game of mine to start with. This is a weird question to pose. And it seems to target more towards finding game someone likes that make other people cringe.

Not everyone believes their favourite games are perfect.

OT: I love Undertale, but if you've beaten the pacifist ending...

Spoiler: Gotta love them spoilers

Saving Asriel was pretty corny. The music was great, but some the dialogue went over the G rating line with me when Asriel started spilling the truth. I get it, but I thought it could've been done better. Plus I also find it corny that I couldn't really die. It's the most fun part to play again either.

And for the genocide ending, why did Flowey stay still? Why didn't he run off and look for a way to get the souls? Why the fuck didn't Sans step in sooner when you were weaker or even save his brother? It makes no sense to me.

Same kind of thing for Super Metroid...

Spoiler: Finish the game first!

Final boss is super easy, like I would be surprised if anyone lost to it. And then you have the *sigh* rainbow beam.

With Half Life 2, I'm sick of Alyx. I find her bland in general. And when she becomes serious, it gets kind of annoying to listen too.

 

[Davroth]

If I had to cringe while playing it, it wouldn't be a favorite game of mine to start with. This is a weird question to pose. And it seems to target more towards finding game someone likes that make other people cringe.

It's not about games that just consistently make you cringe. It's about games that you do like, but there's one, mostly tiny and insignificant, thing in it that makes you cringe a bit. Or it makes you roll your eyes.
For example the tower-defense game in Assassins Creed: Revelations that felt a bit weird and really out of place, for me at least.
Or Miranda's ass-shots in Mass Effect that just made me roll my eyes by how blatant they were. I don't dislike looking at pretty behinds, but it just felt weird when half the screen was covered in butt.
Stuff like that. Maybe cringe isn't the right word for it. I really have a bit of trouble describing this right. It's mostly about small things in games you generally liked that bothered you a bit, but not enough to actually make the game a significantly worse experience.

Slight annoyances in games you like that are not complete deal breakers? That can apply to basically any game I like, no game is absolutely perfect.

 

[StatusNil]

Absolutely none, I dont understand how people can even ask questions like that. The very thought that people find things morally objectionable and still enjoy them, is mind boggling to me.

Seems to me there are people who enjoy finding things morally objectionable. Like "ironic appreciation", it allows one to feel superior, but has the added bonus of seemingly earnest morality.

OT: The title of the thread keeps slipping into ever more neutral territory, so I don't really know how to respond anymore. What I would say about "problematic" games is that there's probably NO game whatsoever that I couldn't PROBLEMATIZE for these purposes, were I so inclined. And so could anyone, given the small amount of training I've had in that racket. It's pretty easy.

So... all of them?

 

[Amaror]

If I had to cringe while playing it, it wouldn't be a favorite game of mine to start with. This is a weird question to pose. And it seems to target more towards finding game someone likes that make other people cringe.

It's not about games that just consistently make you cringe. It's about games that you do like, but there's one, mostly tiny and insignificant, thing in it that makes you cringe a bit. Or it makes you roll your eyes.
For example the tower-defense game in Assassins Creed: Revelations that felt a bit weird and really out of place, for me at least.
Or Miranda's ass-shots in Mass Effect that just made me roll my eyes by how blatant they were. I don't dislike looking at pretty behinds, but it just felt weird when half the screen was covered in butt.
Stuff like that. Maybe cringe isn't the right word for it. I really have a bit of trouble describing this right. It's mostly about small things in games you generally liked that bothered you a bit, but not enough to actually make the game a significantly worse experience.

Slight annoyances in games you like that are not complete deal breakers? That can apply to basically any game I like, no game is absolutely perfect.

Kindof. Thing of something more inbetween. Not so inconsequential that you basically don't notice it, but also not too bothersome to make you want to quit the game.
Personally in most games I don't tend to think about those slight annoyances in the games after they came up. What I mean in this thread is something that bothersome enough to stay in your head, but again not too bothersome to ruin the game.

 

[happyninja42]

So, avoiding the derailed discussion about sexism in a thread actually about games:

Dante's Inferno. I love this game. I love it so much. The theme/mood of it is right up my alley of awesomesauce. But it's got it's issues. Not so much in the game, as the promotional stuff for it.

But the game, love the shit out of it.

 

[Amaror]

So, avoiding the derailed discussion about sexism in a thread actually about games:

Dante's Inferno. I love this game. I love it so much. The theme/mood of it is right up my alley of awesomesauce. But it's got it's issues. Not so much in the game, as the promotional stuff for it.

But the game, love the shit out of it.

What did the promotion do?

 

[nomotog_v1legacy]

So, avoiding the derailed discussion about sexism in a thread actually about games:

Dante's Inferno. I love this game. I love it so much. The theme/mood of it is right up my alley of awesomesauce. But it's got it's issues. Not so much in the game, as the promotional stuff for it.

But the game, love the shit out of it.

What did the promotion do?

Everything wrong. This was back when EA's ad department was going wild with with every idea they had.They were going for a 7 deadly sins thing. Like they sent out noisy boxes to people for wrath, or they offered bribes for greed, then there was the booth babe thing they did for lust. Ya It was simply the lowest point in game advertising next to dead space's your mom hates this game ad spot. (Or maybe that was the bayoneta peel off add?) Game ads can be rather cringe some times.

 

[Amaror]

So, avoiding the derailed discussion about sexism in a thread actually about games:

Dante's Inferno. I love this game. I love it so much. The theme/mood of it is right up my alley of awesomesauce. But it's got it's issues. Not so much in the game, as the promotional stuff for it.

But the game, love the shit out of it.

What did the promotion do?

Everything wrong. This was back when EA's ad department was going wild with with every idea they had.They were going for a 7 deadly sins thing. Like they sent out noisy boxes to people for wrath, or they offered bribes for greed, then there was the booth babe thing they did for lust. Ya It was simply the lowest point in game advertising next to dead space's your mom hates this game ad spot. (Or maybe that was the bayoneta peel off add?) Game ads can be rather cringe some times.

Well if it was at all close to the "Your mom will hate this"-campaign it must have been pretty horrible. I didn't really notice the Dante's Inferno marketing, but it seems like EA had a streak of horrible ads.

 

[StatusNil]

Everything wrong. This was back when EA's ad department was going wild with with every idea they had.They were going for a 7 deadly sins thing. Like they sent out noisy boxes to people for wrath, or they offered bribes for greed, then there was the booth babe thing they did for lust. Ya It was simply the lowest point in game advertising next to dead space's your mom hates this game ad spot. (Or maybe that was the bayoneta peel off add?) Game ads can be rather cringe some times.

Wasn't this also when they hired a bunch of actors to play an outraged Christian group protesting the game? A classic of marketing, that one.

 

[happyninja42]

So, avoiding the derailed discussion about sexism in a thread actually about games:

Dante's Inferno. I love this game. I love it so much. The theme/mood of it is right up my alley of awesomesauce. But it's got it's issues. Not so much in the game, as the promotional stuff for it.

But the game, love the shit out of it.

What did the promotion do?

Everything wrong. This was back when EA's ad department was going wild with with every idea they had.They were going for a 7 deadly sins thing. Like they sent out noisy boxes to people for wrath, or they offered bribes for greed, then there was the booth babe thing they did for lust. Ya It was simply the lowest point in game advertising next to dead space's your mom hates this game ad spot. (Or maybe that was the bayoneta peel off add?) Game ads can be rather cringe some times.

Well if it was at all close to the "Your mom will hate this"-campaign it must have been pretty horrible. I didn't really notice the Dante's Inferno marketing, but it seems like EA had a streak of horrible ads.

Yeah, I honestly didn't know about the advertisement stuff until after the game was out. I remember thinking "why in the fuck would you do something like that?!" It just, boggled the mind. Still, game was fun for me. I took great pleasure in the idea of this defiant damned soul, gatebusting Hell, and staging something of a jail break by redeeming souls up to heaven, out of the Devil's reach. I found it most enjoyable. Most people hated the game, but I found it entertaining.

 

[Imp_Emissary]

I like the COD games, even though their entirely about violently killing men and men alone.

Umm...No.
(Warning: Very viloent death!)

OT: Well, the first games to come to mind would be the Metal Gear games. Love them, but sometimes they can get pretty cringe-worthy.