Gary Oldman Slams "Political Correctness," Calls Dark Knight Movies "Work"

[gargantual]

Factually correct?Unless you got unbiased sources that say Jewish people control everything then it's nothing more than prejudiced paranoia.

And all this complaining about so called 'political correctness' is really tiresome.If someone wants to act like a hateful jerk then people will call them out on it.

For Heaven's sake. You hardly need "unbiased sources" to confirm something that's not even a secret. There are no Harvard studies being conducted on the ratio of Jewish to non Jewish Hollywood CEOs. Now, I'm not going to give the usual "just Google it" response, even I should. Right off the bat I can name Disney, Viacom and Sony Pictures/MGM. I don't think I should even need to say that I couldn't give a shit one way or the other regarding the whole thing. I'm anti-racist.

As for "political correctness", there's pretty much no defense. It went past "hateful jerks" a long time ago. This fellow wasn't being hateful in the least. He's stating a fact. He knows better than both of us who runs Hollywood seeing as he's been working there for a few dozen years. Not everyone who says an industry is run by Jewish people is anti-Semitic. This political correctness nonsense has evolved into institutionalized censorship.

You hit the nail on the head.
[link]http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/04/the-culture-of-shut-up/360239[/link]

I do accept folks are going to have different opinions than I do. Some of my best friends were people I debated with endlessly on principles. I respected the way they formulate their thoughts and not just regurgitating shit like a school paper but in just plain heart to heart talk.

I'm more so about the way in which people bring about their disagreement to intimidate opinions into silence. Like Paul Mooney said "If you're gonna declare war,...declare it."

Or those same declarers shouldn't even bother and try to come to some understanding. No one has to agree on everything that goes on in our world. When there's things we're all right and wrong about.

I wonder are we so removed from the understanding that people used to be commonly maimed and killed for voicing unpopular opinions of certain exalted ideas and people. Its more than the protected man on the throne, but the precedent that's truly offensive to me. No cause should be worth trying to silence each other. I get this feeling there are some people in our modern first world, so comfortable with their worldview, they'd want to thoughtpolice or lobotomize folks they disagree with in this world if they had the opportunity.

I have my comfort zone no doubt, but I could never endorse such a loss of freedom to others I disagree with. Who would I argue with?

We can blame it on too many gift and curse human phenomenons in our world. Internet perception of anonymity. the 'self esteem movement' which failed to teach a generation of people that the world doesn't owe any of us a damn thing and the massive levels of common entitlement that come out of it, or misunderstandings of the phrase 'the customer is always right' which really means the customer always thinks they're right, therefore one should mitigate disagreements calmly with that understanding in mind. or mishandled moral panics that look for social bogeymen (usually disliked demo and psychographic groups) instead of fostering deeper conversation.

 

[WoodyBBad]

The interview was a great read, this article not so much. Many things were taken out of context.

 

[AuronFtw]

Well I'm gonna have to be honest and say I respect Gary himself a bit less now. Talented, certainly, but taking a closed-minded position in a debate reeks of willful ignorance, of a general fear of change. The kind of thing that makes gamers hate women, for example. "Nuuu, they're touching my special area!"

You should take the time to actually read the article linked. Bob did a huge disservice to Gary Oldman and journalism in general with the ridiculous amount of spin he put on this.

I'm not sure if Bob either didn't read or didn't understand the interview, but it had to be one of those two, since nobody with an actual understanding of what was said and why it was said could make such an ignorant writeup in summary of it. Basing your views on such an ignorant writeup is an unfortunate disservice to Oldman. If you think his position is at all "closed-minded," you will change your opinion when you read the article. It's literally the opposite of closed-minded. It's realistic, with the understanding that people are how they are, and it decries the double standards that exist despite that. It's a very down-to-earth view, that Bob completely misrepresented here in this joke of an article.

 

[Westaway]

Political correctness does not exist,the only people who complain about it are those who think acting like a asshole should be allowed without anyone saying anything.

Institutionalized censorship?Give me a break,there is such a thing as having tact and being mindful of what you say and how you say it.That's not censorship...that's being considerate of others around you.

Has society become so fucked up that being respectful and considerate of others is now decried as being "PC"?

I have not said that Jews run everything or even insinuated it. I have very clearly stated that Jews have an extremely heavy influence on Hollywood and the film making industry. If you are incapable of understanding that someone can make that claim and not be an anti-Semite or paranoid, it's best that we simply drop it.

Your defense of political correctness is a child's view on morality. Being an "asshole" today will literally get you sued. See: Donald Sterling being sued millions and Josh Olin being fired by claiming he did nothing wrong. Neither did. An inalienable facet of free speech is the right to offend. Racism is morally reprehensible and harmful to society, but I'll be damned if you shouldn't have the right to be racist. Tact is far bellow the freedom of speech on my list of priorities.

 

[Wereduck]

I guess I shouldn?t complain. I?ve learned over the years that people get upset when they tell you something is their favorite movie and you go, ?Really? You liked that piece of shit?? That?s the sort of thing Sean Penn would say. So I now tell people, ?Thank you, that?s great,? and move on.

That says quite a bit about Gary Oldman. Yeah, he feels the banal work he has done, the stuff that appeases the masses is silly, but he has learned to not denigrate their opinions or fandom, unlike the self-righteous left some of us so despise.

There is nothing overly provocative in that article. There IS a double standard. The media is pushing it's OWN agenda. Left/Right, Liberal/Conservative, the whole system is set up to manipulate the masses, convince them of what is and isn't acceptable, as if there is a certain level of celebrity/power/influence that gives someone the right to make that decision for others.

We live in a world where people aren't really allowed to disagree with the heard. It's silly, and pointless. If you think he said something bad in this article, I'm sorry, but you are doing it wrong...

Is Bob working for Fox News? The amount of misinformation in this article baffles me...

Quite frankly, this is Bob being himself. He'a a walking encyclopedia of nerd knowledge, but he's a man-child when it comes to any game not made by Nintendo and analysis overall. It took me four years to realize that, but it's sadly true.

TLN;DR Chipman *is* what people used to think Sterling *was*.

Yeah; I share Bob's opinions on a lot of things but he does not argue fair. Having read the original article Oldman does come off like a bit of a prick but it's nothing I wouldn't expect to hear from a successful man of humble origins who lives & works among monied egotistical left-leaning hypocrites. Bob's completely misrepresenting some fairly reasonable mildly-rightist opinions as some kind of reactionary-fringe rant. It's completely dishonest and, speaking as a rabid liberal myself, I find it reprehensible.
I'd like to read all 5 pages of comments here but after reading the PB article I don't have the time. However, I'm deeply encouraged that the discussion (so far at least) has remained focused on Bob's intellectual dishonesty rather than degenerating into a leftist witch hunt or anti-PC pity party. Well done Escapist!

 

[Hover Hand Mode]

Factually correct?Unless you got unbiased sources that say Jewish people control everything then it's nothing more than prejudiced paranoia.

And all this complaining about so called 'political correctness' is really tiresome.If someone wants to act like a hateful jerk then people will call them out on it.

For Heaven's sake. You hardly need "unbiased sources" to confirm something that's not even a secret. There are no Harvard studies being conducted on the ratio of Jewish to non Jewish Hollywood CEOs. Now, I'm not going to give the usual "just Google it" response, even I should. Right off the bat I can name Disney, Viacom and Sony Pictures/MGM. I don't think I should even need to say that I couldn't give a shit one way or the other regarding the whole thing. I'm anti-racist.

As for "political correctness", there's pretty much no defense. It went past "hateful jerks" a long time ago. This fellow wasn't being hateful in the least. He's stating a fact. He knows better than both of us who runs Hollywood seeing as he's been working there for a few dozen years. Not everyone who says an industry is run by Jewish people is anti-Semitic. This political correctness nonsense has evolved into institutionalized censorship.

It's business. If you say things that will upset the consumer then you're costing your business money. You brought up Donald Sterling, who is a perfect example. What he said almost led to player strikes and boycotts. The fact that he was banned from the NBA and forced to sell his team likely saved the NBA millions of dollars.

 

[havoc33]

Political correctness does not exist,the only people who complain about it are those who think acting like a asshole should be allowed without anyone saying anything.

I don't know where you live, but political correctness is very much alive and well where I'm at (Norway). It has actually strangled public debate on quite a few topics.

 

[Qizx]

-Holy mother of Snips-
He and his (Germans I presume?) people have NEVER been persecuted.

-more snip-

Actually that's simply not true, Germans WERE persecuted in the US fairly strongly at some points. Not saying it's right what he said in any way, but that's just not true.

 

[Do4600]

Sid and Nancy has 92%. Immortal Beloved has 58%. Fifth Element has 71%. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban has 91%. Dark Knight movies have over 85%.

I see what he's getting at I think. He's very much interested in classic adult drama and many of the films where he's been most visible haven't tried to touch that. Prisoner of Azkaban just can't stand next to Dr. Strangelove.

 

[gargantual]

Sid and Nancy has 92%. Immortal Beloved has 58%. Fifth Element has 71%. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban has 91%. Dark Knight movies have over 85%.

I see what he's getting at I think. He's very much interested in classic adult drama and many of the films where he's been most visible haven't tried to touch that. Prisoner of Azkaban just can't stand next to Dr. Strangelove.

True. I mean doesn't he strike you as THAT type of actor. He'll can do wonky and eccentric, but we know what type of film where he'd feel most at home.