Gay Marriage and AIDS

[somonels]

Pretty sure I heard that the first HIV/AIDS outbreak in the USA was contained, most prominently by the advocation of condoms, which the homosexual community didn't feel the need for, causing the virus to ravage the community.
Yes, homosexual males are still a high-risk demographic but stable monogamous relationships will greatly limit the potential spread.

I'd say it helps to improve the situation.
Captcha says "have fun"

 

[NiPah]

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This thread needs a poll so it'll be easier for everyone to disagree with you. Also please provide some actual evidence in the form of studies/articles that aren't just speculation. u
I would also pose this question, would the government legalizing masturbation result in more people masturbating?

 

[Sandytimeman]

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Your missing the entire point. Aids and HIV are spread among hetrosexuals as well as homosexuals. If you practice safe sex and don't have random encounters, you won't have many issues.

Also the whole issue with gay marriage is this. One group of our population isn't afforded the RIGHTS that everyone else is entitled too. THAT IS WRONG!!!

ie, can't visit their life partner on their death bed, can't file taxes together, can't cover eachother with healthcare, can't adopt children together, etc

I am homosexual and I feel like everywhere I turn people are demonizing me. I'm a fucking nice guy okie? I don't want to rape your children, I don't want to have sex with you while your back is turned, I don't have a lisp, and I'm not a disease carrying whore. And I really really don't want the government in my personal life.

I want to find my person special same as everyone, and live my life with them. If I have to take on an increased chance of disease, then its my right and my choice to do so.

Pffff (sorry blowing off steam, seems like everyone is hating these days)

 

[hermes]

id think marriage would encourage monogamy so less spreading?

at least i would think so.

This. At some point, spreading is not an issue to them if they were both monogamous and fairly responsible.

 

[John Connor M]

A few have said this but I'd like to say it again:

This thread is ridiculous, making claims without any evidence, claims that could be seen as offensive by a certain group of people.

OP may as well have wrote "aids is more common in gay people than straight people hur dur discuss"

I'd have raged at this thread if I actually cared about what an obvious troll thought.

 

[hermes]

I'd really like to see a source that says HIV is more common passed through homosexual relationships than normal ones. Far as I can figure it out the only reason that HIV is passed in gay males more often would be an unwillingness (or perhaps the thought that it is unnecessary) to wear a condom. That said, if this is the reason, then legalizing gay marriage would do shit all, and any increase that would likely result from a greater acceptance of a gay lifestyle, would likely be minimized by the probably increase in long term gay relationships (perhaps a slight increase in monogamy).

It was not about the use of condoms or any other protection. Anal sex is more likely to transmit the disease than vaginal sex. In neither case its an automatic infection, but its more likely in one case. That was why the disease was considered almost exclusively a "gays disease" during the previous decades.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

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Your missing the entire point. Aids and HIV are spread among hetrosexuals as well as homosexuals. If you practice safe sex and don't have random encounters, you won't have many issues.

Also the whole issue with gay marriage is this. One group of our population isn't afforded the RIGHTS that everyone else is entitled too. THAT IS WRONG!!!

ie, can't visit their life partner on their death bed, can't file taxes together, can't cover eachother with healthcare, can't adopt children together, etc

I am homosexual and I feel like everywhere I turn people are demonizing me. I'm a fucking nice guy okie? I don't want to rape your children, I don't want to have sex with you while your back is turned, I don't have a lisp, and I'm not a disease carrying whore. And I really really don't want the government in my personal life.

I want to find my person special same as everyone, and live my life with them. If I have to take on an increased chance of disease, then its my right and my choice to do so.

Pffff (sorry blowing off steam, seems like everyone is hating these days)

Technically gay people have the same rights--everyone can marry the opposite gender

But yeah, would be nice if we could marry whoever we loved, regardless of gender (so long as they are an adult). It's one of those issues like racism, that just makes you wonder how anyone thinks differently from you. I'd love to actually see a proper debate between a pro-gay marriage group and an anti-gay marriage group. The only possible thing I think the anti group could come up with is that gay men are more likely to have and to spread HIV/AIDS, but that's hardly a reason to stop every gay man or woman from marrying their loved one. Kind of like if one white guy got in a car accident and they made it illegal for all white men to drive--no need to punish the innocent and such.

 

[NightHawk21]

I'd really like to see a source that says HIV is more common passed through homosexual relationships than normal ones. Far as I can figure it out the only reason that HIV is passed in gay males more often would be an unwillingness (or perhaps the thought that it is unnecessary) to wear a condom. That said, if this is the reason, then legalizing gay marriage would do shit all, and any increase that would likely result from a greater acceptance of a gay lifestyle, would likely be minimized by the probably increase in long term gay relationships (perhaps a slight increase in monogamy).

It was not about the use of condoms or any other protection. Anal sex is more likely to transmit the disease than vaginal sex. In neither case its an automatic infection, but its more likely in one case. That was why the disease was considered almost exclusively a "gays disease" during the previous decades.

Ya I just looked it up in the plagues book I'm studying for a course at the moment. The risk for unprotected vaginal sex assuming one person has HIV is about 1-2%, while anal sex is 5-30%, due to the greater trauma and that the virus may be present in lower proportions (actually surprisingly low compared to other STDs). That said the key word there is unprotected. If protection is used the %chance of infection is much lower, and it is also worth noting that last time I checked anal sex could also happen between non-homsexual partners. That said I think the spread of HIV will either decrease or stay the same.

 

[Sandytimeman]

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Your missing the entire point. Aids and HIV are spread among hetrosexuals as well as homosexuals. If you practice safe sex and don't have random encounters, you won't have many issues.

Also the whole issue with gay marriage is this. One group of our population isn't afforded the RIGHTS that everyone else is entitled too. THAT IS WRONG!!!

ie, can't visit their life partner on their death bed, can't file taxes together, can't cover eachother with healthcare, can't adopt children together, etc

I am homosexual and I feel like everywhere I turn people are demonizing me. I'm a fucking nice guy okie? I don't want to rape your children, I don't want to have sex with you while your back is turned, I don't have a lisp, and I'm not a disease carrying whore. And I really really don't want the government in my personal life.

I want to find my person special same as everyone, and live my life with them. If I have to take on an increased chance of disease, then its my right and my choice to do so.

Pffff (sorry blowing off steam, seems like everyone is hating these days)

Technically gay people have the same rights--everyone can marry the opposite gender

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/08/amendment-one-north-carolina_n_1501308.html

No..no they don't and there are 13 states total that carry similar laws. That also means that private companies are allowed to ignore same-sex marriage since its not legal everywhere in America. That means that power of attorney etc, all those rights that a hetro couple gets for a 2 drink minimum and 500 dollars in vegas. A gay couple has to spend 5 year and over 10,000 dollars in legal fees to get.

That means Britney Spears 48 hour "just for fun" marriage had more rights then a gay couple that have been together for 4 years.



And as for the "anti" gay marriage people, they are arguing for a "traditional" marriage via a religious view. However, they forget some of their biggest scripture based historical figures violated that "traditional" model they are so on about. (ie King David in the bible had 17 wives, and King Solomon has over 700 wives and 300 concubines)

 

[TilMorrow]

I don't even get this sentence. Unless you're an it, I'm pretty sure you're male or female unless I missed a new gender type being created? Also that was a weak defence with the "I'm bisexual..." comment. Hell how can you even say that if you state in the next part of the sentence that you have preference towards a specific gender? It just makes it look like you don't understand the phrase. [sub][sub][sub]Additionally, I feel the people that say they are Bisexual are complete bullshitters. Just because you have slept/thought of sleeping with members from both genders does not mean you've a balanced attraction to both.[/sub][/sub][/sub]

Captcha: Bird cage lololololol

Well, I'm neither male nor female. Gender is not a binary state.

... That is just about the dumbest thing I have ever read on these forums.

Bisexual means sexually attracted to men and women. You can find both men and women attractive but have a preference.
So, there you go.

First bit is partly right. Second bit isn't.

And I'm agreeing with Matthew94 now. You have definitely been incoherent in this thread.
[sub]Also Zoidberg is awesome but he in no way swayed me.[/sub]

 

[Naeras]

I'm going to bold this out just so people get it.

The reason homosexuals statistically contract HIV more often isn't simply "because they're homosexuals", it's because they have one less incentive to use protection than straight people do. The problem here isn't gay sex(although anal sex definitely makes it worse), it's that gays apparently are being stupid more often because they can't get each others pregnant. For some reason I'm also going to bet that this is directly related to the fact that homosexuality is such a taboo, and thus sexual education even is worse for gays. Woopdie-doo.

Also, gay marriage would probably reduce the amount of STDs going around, not increase it. Why? Well, because you'll only be banging one person. If both you and that guy is clean, nobody's gonna give each others HIV, so you won't be having one night stands with someone who has contracted the virus already.

 

[NightHawk21]

Technically gay people have the same rights--everyone can marry the opposite gender

But yeah, would be nice if we could marry whoever we loved, regardless of gender (so long as they are an adult). It's one of those issues like racism, that just makes you wonder how anyone thinks differently from you. I'd love to actually see a proper debate between a pro-gay marriage group and an anti-gay marriage group. The only possible thing I think the anti group could come up with is that gay men are more likely to have and to spread HIV/AIDS, but that's hardly a reason to stop every gay man or woman from marrying their loved one. Kind of like if one white guy got in a car accident and they made it illegal for all white men to drive--no need to punish the innocent and such.

Whoa Whoa Whoa, hold the hell up. Grey I already called you a troll and I'm pretty sure people have pointed out that you have a) no proof for these statements, and b) you're ignoring a lot of posts made in this thread that which address your arguments. That said that bolded part right above here (^) is getting pretty close to hate speech.

 

[Quiet Stranger]

I've actually always wondered about something, is it possible for two gay men (who are perfectly healthy and don't have a history of HIV/AIDS) to get AIDS or HIV from just making love to each other?

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

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Your missing the entire point. Aids and HIV are spread among hetrosexuals as well as homosexuals. If you practice safe sex and don't have random encounters, you won't have many issues.

Also the whole issue with gay marriage is this. One group of our population isn't afforded the RIGHTS that everyone else is entitled too. THAT IS WRONG!!!

ie, can't visit their life partner on their death bed, can't file taxes together, can't cover eachother with healthcare, can't adopt children together, etc

I am homosexual and I feel like everywhere I turn people are demonizing me. I'm a fucking nice guy okie? I don't want to rape your children, I don't want to have sex with you while your back is turned, I don't have a lisp, and I'm not a disease carrying whore. And I really really don't want the government in my personal life.

I want to find my person special same as everyone, and live my life with them. If I have to take on an increased chance of disease, then its my right and my choice to do so.

Pffff (sorry blowing off steam, seems like everyone is hating these days)

Technically gay people have the same rights--everyone can marry the opposite gender

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/08/amendment-one-north-carolina_n_1501308.html

No..no they don't and there are 13 states total that carry similar laws. That also means that private companies are allowed to ignore same-sex marriage since its not legal everywhere in America. That means that power of attorney etc, all those rights that a hetro couple gets for a 2 drink minimum and 500 dollars in vegas. A gay couple has to spend 5 year and over 10,000 dollars in legal fees to get.

That means Britney Spears 48 hour "just for fun" marriage had more rights then a gay couple that have been together for 4 years.



And as for the "anti" gay marriage people, they are arguing for a "traditional" marriage via a religious view. However, they forget some of their biggest scripture based historical figures violated that "traditional" model they are so on about. (ie King David in the bible had 17 wives, and King Solomon has over 700 wives and 300 concubines)

Um, I said "opposite gender." Everyone has that right. I was making a joke. I think you missed it, lol.

I don't even get this sentence. Unless you're an it, I'm pretty sure you're male or female unless I missed a new gender type being created? Also that was a weak defence with the "I'm bisexual..." comment. Hell how can you even say that if you state in the next part of the sentence that you have preference towards a specific gender? It just makes it look like you don't understand the phrase. [sub][sub][sub]Additionally, I feel the people that say they are Bisexual are complete bullshitters. Just because you have slept/thought of sleeping with members from both genders does not mean you've a balanced attraction to both.[/sub][/sub][/sub]

Captcha: Bird cage lololololol

Well, I'm neither male nor female. Gender is not a binary state.

... That is just about the dumbest thing I have ever read on these forums.

Bisexual means sexually attracted to men and women. You can find both men and women attractive but have a preference.
So, there you go.

First bit is partly right. Second bit isn't.

And I'm agreeing with Matthew94 now. You have definitely been incoherent in this thread.
[sub]Also Zoidberg is awesome but he in no way swayed me.[/sub]

Merriam Webster says bisexual is

a : possessing characters of both sexes : hermaphroditic
b : of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward both sexes
2
: of, relating to, or involving both sexes

Nothing in there about it being equal. Simply sexually desiring men and women is bisexual. I do indeed desire both, but find trans gender girls the most attractive.

Merriam Webster also describes gender as "The behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex." So, you can display the aforementioned traits of both or neither. Gender has nothing to do with genitals.

Oh and some men are born without a penis, some women without a vaginal opening (vulva) and there was even a case of a man born with ovaries. He was a perfectly typical guy until about the age of twenty I think it was, when he suddenly developed intense pains in the stomach. Went to the doctor, has an X-ray and bam - ovaries were menstruating inside of him and hemorrhaging blood.

So yeah, genitals =/= gender.

 

[John Connor M]

I've actually always wondered about something, is it possible for two gay men (who are perfectly healthy and don't have a history of HIV/AIDS) to get AIDS or HIV from just making love to each other?

Honestly? You're actually asking that?

I hope that you're trolling, but if you're not the answer is no.

If two people (regardless of gender) have sex and have never had an STD then they cannot catch one from eachother...

captcha: silence is golden <- this

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

I've actually always wondered about something, is it possible for two gay men (who are perfectly healthy and don't have a history of HIV/AIDS) to get AIDS or HIV from just making love to each other?

No. Not even slightly. Absolutely zero chance.

 

[Darkmantle]

I was thinking, given that it is a sad reality that homosexual men are much more likely to have and in effect pass on HIV/AIDS, would mass legalization of gay marriage see a spike in the number of reported cases of the illness?

No. Homosexual men in long term relationships CANT pass it on more. If it led to more long term relationships, it would REDUCE the number of people with aids/hiv.

The reality is it will make no difference. Homosexuals who want relationships will have them with or without a piece of government paper, it changes nothing.

We also have countries that have long term experience with gay marrage. Since gay marriage became legal in 2003, the cases of new AIDs diagnosis are DOWN and the cases of new HIV diagnosis are stable to slightly decreasing. So there you go, your theory is busted. http://www.avert.org/canada-aids.htm

Good old Canada . Knowledge is power, the more info everyone has, the safer everyone will be

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

Technically gay people have the same rights--everyone can marry the opposite gender

But yeah, would be nice if we could marry whoever we loved, regardless of gender (so long as they are an adult). It's one of those issues like racism, that just makes you wonder how anyone thinks differently from you. I'd love to actually see a proper debate between a pro-gay marriage group and an anti-gay marriage group. The only possible thing I think the anti group could come up with is that gay men are more likely to have and to spread HIV/AIDS, but that's hardly a reason to stop every gay man or woman from marrying their loved one. Kind of like if one white guy got in a car accident and they made it illegal for all white men to drive--no need to punish the innocent and such.

Whoa Whoa Whoa, hold the hell up. Grey I already called you a troll and I'm pretty sure people have pointed out that you have a) no proof for these statements, and b) you're ignoring a lot of posts made in this thread that which address your arguments. That said that bolded part right above here (^) is getting pretty close to hate speech.

What? That's not hate speech. Why would I hate gay men when I am psychically male (mentally I'm neither gender) and have myself dated men? It's a known fact that homosexual men are more likely to have HIV/AIDS than heterosexual men (lesbians are very unlikely to contract them, due to the nature of their sex) because anal sex is a lot more risky than vaginal sex; the walls of the anus are quite thin and prone to tearing during sex, thus meaning a higher likelihood of blood on blood contact.

"In many countries, men who have sex with men have been heavily affected by HIV and AIDS. HIV prevalence among men who have sex with men has been found to be as high as 25% in Ghana, 30% in Jamaica, 43% in coastal Kenya and 25% in Thailand. In the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and many parts of Western Europe, more people have become infected with HIV through male-male sex than through any other transmission route." - [link]http://www.avert.org/gay-sex.htm[/link]

That's no more hate speech than saying women are more likely to have breasts than men, lol.

 

[Sandytimeman]

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Technically gay people have the same rights--everyone can marry the opposite gender

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/08/amendment-one-north-carolina_n_1501308.html

No..no they don't and there are 13 states total that carry similar laws.

Um, I said "opposite gender." Everyone has that right. I was making a joke. I think you missed it, lol.

Gay people are free to marry just like anyone else, as long as they marry a member of the opposite sex.

Also might be nice to note:

Each party seeking to marry a member of a different race has the right and the privilege of marrying within his or her own group.

Sorry your right, I missed the joke while people were actively seeking to remove my rights.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

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Technically gay people have the same rights--everyone can marry the opposite gender

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/08/amendment-one-north-carolina_n_1501308.html

No..no they don't and there are 13 states total that carry similar laws.

Um, I said "opposite gender." Everyone has that right. I was making a joke. I think you missed it, lol.

Gay people are free to marry just like anyone else, as long as they marry a member of the opposite sex.

Also might be nice to note:

Each party seeking to marry a member of a different race has the right and the privilege of marrying within his or her own group.

Sorry your right, I missed the joke while people were actively seeking to remove my rights.

I'm on your side--I'm pretty sure gay marriage is legal here (just called a civial union) and there's good odds that if I ever got married, it'd be to someone legally of my own sex. I was just making a stupid little joke because you were so mad. Like an ice-breaker sort of thing. Well, not an ice breaker... but you get the idea.