Gay Olympics....Wtf!!

[aba1]

Do you realize how insulting you are? Shut the fuck up.

You are upset for being supposedly insulted then proceed to insult ohhh irony... In all seriousness though irony is one of the funniest types of humor so I did get a good chuckle thanks!

Insult? No. Telling people to shut up is not insulting their character. If I wanted to do that, I could very easily. But that's not how you get your point across in a debate.

However, if you refuse to let the other side speak, then you have a problem. And that's what's happening here. Everyday straight people refusing to allow non-heterosexuals and their straight allies speak. And trying to railroad us. And telling us what we should think and what we should do when you don't even experience what we do and have no idea what we're thinking.

That's why you and others should heed my advice and shut up. And maybe, just maybe, you'll learn something. I doubt it since many posters here appear to be stuck in their ways, wanting to be a victim and more or less lashing out at the gay community and our allies.

You are a keen observer I am glad you agree that straight people are the problem. We need to put them in their place! We should start our own gay country it will be fantastic, for a generation it will be a great society of all homosexuals free from those tyrannous straights and their dastardly plans to destroy us all.

 

[TomLikesGuitar]

You should stop telling the gay community what to do. You think homosexuality is a deviant fetish that's unnatural and abnormal. You're clearly no-one that we're going to take advise from.

1. I never said unnatural.

2. Deviance: Differing from a norm

3. Abnormal: Deviating from what is normal or usual

I used the word abnormal and you freaked because it has negative connotation for the layman, and then I used the word deviant and you freaked because you don't know what it means.

Stop victimizing yourself and demonizing me because you want these words to mean something that they don't.

There are absolutely degrees of deviance and things are only considered NOT deviant when they are considered normal. Our SOCIETY has shown that homosexuality is not considered normal. Please take a fucking sociology course or something before you spout accusatory nonsense at me.

I'm trying to tell you how you can help make homosexuality become more accepted, and you're ignoring me and trying to make me look like an asshole. You need to grow up a bit dude.

Even if you're right, and those of us who want to help the homosexual movement aren't doing enough to help, YOU'RE fucking it up by getting so aggressive about it.

I was having an (much MUCH more civil) argument with a homosexual on this website and he said something to me that very much applies...

So all in all, LGBTs and straight people, we're all just people, some dumber than others, on either side. The sooner everyone realizes that there doesn't have to be a difference, the sooner it wont matter.

This new wave of over-sensitivity in regards to sexuality, gender and race is assbackwards in my opinion. It's just another form of bigotry and fake appearances.

 

[101flyboy]

You should stop telling the gay community what to do. You think homosexuality is a deviant fetish that's unnatural and abnormal. You're clearly no-one that we're going to take advise from.

1. I never said unnatural.

2. Deviance: Differing from a norm

3. Abnormal: Deviating from what is normal or usual

I used the word abnormal and you freaked because it has negative connotation for the layman, and then I used the word deviant and you freaked because you don't know what it means.

Stop victimizing yourself and demonizing me because you want these words to mean something that they don't.

There are absolutely degrees of deviance and things are only considered NOT deviant when they are considered normal. Our SOCIETY has shown that homosexuality is not considered normal. Please take a fucking sociology course or something before you spout accusatory nonsense at me.

I'm trying to tell you how you can help make homosexuality become more accepted, and you're ignoring me and trying to make me look like an asshole. You need to grow up a bit dude.

Even if you're right, and those of us who want to help the homosexual movement aren't doing enough to help, YOU'RE fucking it up by getting so aggressive about it.

I was having an (much MUCH more civil) argument with a homosexual on this website and he said something to me that very much applies...

So all in all, LGBTs and straight people, we're all just people, some dumber than others, on either side. The sooner everyone realizes that there doesn't have to be a difference, the sooner it wont matter.

This new wave of over-sensitivity in regards to sexuality, gender and race is assbackwards in my opinion. It's just another form of bigotry and fake appearances.

Look at the two responses above you and then tell me why I should act like everything is totally cool, there is no hostility whatsoever, and that if I simply softened my tone, that the internalized bias and angst that these everyday straight folk have against gay/pro-gay individuals/activists will somehow go away.

Tell me why we should lie and pretend that these people are CLEARLY not hostile and CLEARLY feeling, at the very least, skepticism, against the LGBTQ community. You want me to lie. Now, I can soften my tone, and I should. You're right. Fighting fire with fire isn't the correct way to go about this. That doesn't mean fire isn't being thrown. Fire is being thrown. There is hostility and there is fire.

So before we even begin any discussion on the merits of these events such as Gay Olympics, we need to ask why there is this hostility that certain straight people are having towards gay/pro-gay straight individuals. We need to ask that tough question, and we need to go from there.

The statement from that gay man you posted here is very true. There is too much over-sensitivity regarding the issue of sexuality. Let's see whose the driving force of that................

Here's your answer! Those who keep making it a point to make an issue of events like this! THEY are too oversensitive and too overbearing. And too quick to whine victim.

When you call gay men homosexuals, or call homosexuality abnormal, I'm not freaking out when I tell you that you're wrong. You *are* wrong to say these things. And it's up to you to stop saying them. Instead, you keep going on and on about how you believe you are right when you simply are not and never will be in the position to deduce what is right and wrong regarding matters that affect ME and affect GAY people. That's not over-sensitivity on my part. It's arrogance on your part.

You're not gay, and you do not have to deal with anti-gay discrimination. So you are not someone to tell me how to make homosexuality more accepted. You're right, about one thing. Homosexuality is not NORMALLY accepted in society. It's not accepted as normal in society. That's a major major problem. If everyday STRAIGHT people would get over their bias against homosexuality, that wouldn't exist.

You need to stop blaming me for the biases other people ultimately choose to continue to maintain. It certainly isn't my fault.

I'm not the greatest advocate because I don't take bullshit as an answer. You're either doing right, or you're doing wrong. And if you're doing wrong, I'm gonna call you out on it. And so will many others. I know *something* right is occurring given homophobia has died down a lot and the response against homophobia has become more severe. Something is working, and it surely wasn't the advice from non-allies that began that climb towards change. So, you'll have to excuse me for saying this, but come off it a bit. Really.

 

[101flyboy]

Tom, dozens of people in several different threads have made it clear how to help and made it clear where things are and where they stand. What's clear is not everyone is willing to listen. And if you choose to be defiant, don't expect smiles in return.

 

[Quaxar]

Woahwoahwoah. Thread, what are you doing? Thread! STAHP!

This is starting to become a one-sided battle of Creationism proportions. Could we possibly turn down the witchhunt a tad bit?

 

[TomLikesGuitar]

That doesn't mean fire isn't being thrown. Fire is being thrown. There is hostility and there is fire.

And you shouldn't be the bigger man, why?

The statement from that gay man you posted here is very true. There is too much over-sensitivity regarding the issue of sexuality. Let's see whose the driving force of that................

Here's your answer! Those who keep making it a point to make an issue of events like this! THEY are too oversensitive and too overbearing. And too quick to whine victim.

Who really made this an issue? The people who are questioning the existence of this event, or the people who decided it was necessary when it pretty obviously isn't?

Homosexuality is not NORMALLY accepted in society. It's not accepted as normal in society.

Okay, so that's what abnormal and deviant both mean. If you believe those words mean other things, then you have every right to, but you just described both of those words to a T.

Stop arguing what these words mean as I mean nothing beyond their definition when I refer to homosexuality.

You need to stop blaming me for the biases other people ultimately choose to continue to maintain. It certainly isn't my fault.

I don't. I blame you for having NO UNDERSTANDING AT ALL of these biases. You think that all biases are malicious and intentional, when they are usually passive and subconscious.

It's possible to enlighten the ignorant, but you don't do that by jumping down their throat.

Tom, dozens of people in several different threads have made it clear how to help and made it clear where things are and where they stand. What's clear is not everyone is willing to listen. And if you choose to be defiant, don't expect smiles in return.

What's clear is that no one will help you if you are as abrasive to them as you have been to some people here.

That's life.

 

[101flyboy]

That doesn't mean fire isn't being thrown. Fire is being thrown. There is hostility and there is fire.

And you shouldn't be the bigger man, why?

Yes. I should be the bigger man. You're right, and I'm wrong in fighting fire with fire. Because that solves nothing. Eye for an eye makes the world go blind. I don't pretend to be the best advocate around. I'm too straight forward.

Who really made this an issue? The people who are questioning the existence of this event, or the people who decided it was necessary when it pretty obviously isn't?

The people making inquisitions and assumptions. The people making generalized, incorrect presumptions. The people making themselves out to be victims of an evil gay agenda.

Unless you're gay or a pro-gay straight ally, you are not in the position to tell us what is and isn't necessary regarding matters that affect US and not you.

Okay, so that's what abnormal and deviant both mean. If you believe those words mean other things, then you have every right to, but you just described both of those words to a T.

Homosexuality in itself isn't abnormal and deviant. It's been, until basically about last year, considered as such by a plurality of society. That makes homosexual acceptance a social abnormality. That makes open cultural homosexuality a social abnormality in most places. That doesn't make homosexuality in itself abnormal.

I don't. I blame you for having NO UNDERSTANDING AT ALL of these biases. You think that all biases are malicious and intentional, when they are usually passive and subconscious.

I understand that it is not at all chosen, it's not meant to be mean, it's not intentional, and often people don't even recognize they have them. But when you do recognize you have a bias, a negative bias, especially towards a group of people you otherwise support and respect, one should be a bigger person and realize that it's something you need to change, and not make excuses for. All I've been seeing the past few days are excuses, and excuse making isn't productive. Excuse making isn't creating change. Excuse making is weak. And it isn't worthy of respect.

It's possible to enlighten the ignorant, but you don't do that by jumping down their throat.

And it's even more impossible if they refuse to listen.

What's clear is that no one will help you if you are as abrasive to them as you have been to some people here.

That's life.

What's clear is that many here aren't really here to help. And don't really care about providing any. They have their minds made up already. I guess I have my hands tied. It's like talking to a brick wall. It's only a matter of time you become bored and want to talk to people who are able to listen. And not a brick wall.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

I think this needs to be addressed again.

Spoiler

Because homosexuality is a religion or a gender.

No, it's an immutable orientation, and one that should be respected just as much as and treated the same way as religion and gender.

You, of course, don't believe that's the case. Not surprising given you think homosexuality is unnatural.

Given how some people "view" [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/528.398403-Poll-Respect-Religion-and-Offense#16294781] religion on this forum, I wouldn't compare it to a religion if I was you. Just fyi.

Just to play devil's advocate here, what is the point of calling your event "The Gay Games" if you are opening the entry to everyone to participate? I mean it seems like they are trying to segregate themselves by calling it that.

Good point.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

For fucks sake...

Shit like this? Not helping everyone get along. At all.

But whatever, fuck it, I'm not part of the rainbow armada so my opinion doesn't even matter anyway. Huzzah white privilege and all that.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

Why do everyday straight people feel the need to tell gay people and our straight allies what to do?

I guess for the same reason you feel the need to tell me what to do and how I should live my life.

Why do you INSIST on telling us what to do? Can you shut the fuck up and listen for a change?

A lot of us have listened, and personally I don't like being told what to do.

My word. Do you realize how insulting you are? Shut the fuck up. You are no clued in so stop injecting your two cents and LISTEN to people who can speak on FIRST HAND knowledge about issues that impact the gay community.

Do you realize the hypocrisy in telling us how pissed you are for us telling you how to behave and then you doing the doing the exact same thing?

That is NOT any of you, if you are not immersed in the community as a straight ally, you do need to hush it. Questions are fine, inquisitions are NOT.

Again, your telling us how to behave.

 

[Something Amyss]

In the 60's they fought to get rid of things separating "blacks" and everyone else not start them that is the difference.

That's not the difference, since they are not separating gays with this program.

It's funny how we justify things, though. Back then, they formed a bunch of "black" organisations. They actually weren't really different at all. My father was a member of some of those "black" organisations, and for it, he was called a "****** lover" and subjected to hate for "joining sides" with black people. At the same time, he got overt hate and mistrust from blacks for being a "white" guy who wanted to join up (my family's pretty much all mixed race, so he's not really white....But whatever). If anything, the blacks were MORE militant about it. Weird how they're the ones who were okay now that time has sanded down those efforts. The only similarities between these actions and intentional segregation are superficial and only valid because someone is trying to make the narrative about gays (or, in the past, blacks) segregating themselves.

It's a common theme. It's ALWAYS different, no matter how far we have to bend to make it different.