Gay Olympics....Wtf!!

[Milanezi]

Only one thing to say: "self-prejudice"

 

[Silvanus]

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You're missing the point I was originally defending, here:

SNIP...And honestly, the Olympics are extremely open and there is NO prejudice towards any race, sexuality, or gender. As a matter of fact, the Olympics may be the SINGLE event that brings together the entire world in a beautiful, unbiased, happy competition where everyone can drop their prejudices and have a little bit of fun in this dark, depressing world.

To go and undermine the entire point of the Olympics(to bring people from all backgrounds together) for your own selfish desires? yeah, I'd call BS on that.

I addressed precisely what I quoted.

"Selfish desires"? The wish for an environment in which you can feel the same way straight people do every day? Uh-huh.

You want to declare the Olympics (and, of course, the sporting associations these people belong to) are discrimination-free? Don't you even think that's a bit of a stretch, right there?

 

[Smeatza]

Jesus Fucking Christ.

Point and goddamn case.

I'm usually a pretty laid back guy that doesn't pay much attention to what the internet is spouting out, but fuck me (no pun intended) this rubs me the wrong way. What is the matter with you? You are the amongst the most hypocrite people I have ever seen. You wonder why gay people feel the need to create their own sports games while at the same time blurting out both generalizations and outright insults.

Shit like this makes me sick.

I didn't mind the jokes though, some of those were pretty funny.

EDIT: Removed some the the rage after having a good night's sleep.

Why? You explain nothing but your emotive response to peoples points, jokes and questions.
Why is it so wrong? why does it make you so sick to see people compare it to an equivalent black persons games.
What is it that makes not only the comparison wrong, but also the people who draw it morally abhorrent?

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Can I ask, outside of sexual preference, what are the differences between straight and gay culture? Because I cannot think of any at all (I'm not gay though, so it's why I ask).
If that is the case (it's only the gender they sleep with that sets apart gay and straight people) then I really cannot see the use in gay people setting themselves apart from the straight people.
Yes, ignorance might mean that they face more persecution than straight people, but is removing yourself from the chance of encountering ignorance, really the best way to combat it?

 

[101flyboy]

Why do everyday straight people feel the need to tell gay people and our straight allies what to do? Why do you INSIST on telling us what to do? Can you shut the fuck up and listen for a change? My word. Do you realize how insulting you are? Shut the fuck up. You are no clued in so stop injecting your two cents and LISTEN to people who can speak on FIRST HAND knowledge about issues that impact the gay community. That is NOT any of you, if you are not immersed in the community as a straight ally, you do need to hush it. Questions are fine, inquisitions are NOT.

 

[Vareoth]

Jesus Fucking Christ.

Point and goddamn case.

I'm usually a pretty laid back guy that doesn't pay much attention to what the internet is spouting out, but fuck me (no pun intended) this rubs me the wrong way. What is the matter with you? You are the amongst the most hypocrite people I have ever seen. You wonder why gay people feel the need to create their own sports games while at the same time blurting out both generalizations and outright insults.

Shit like this makes me sick.

I didn't mind the jokes though, some of those were pretty funny.

EDIT: Removed some the the rage after having a good night's sleep.

Why? You explain nothing but your emotive response to peoples points, jokes and questions.
Why is it so wrong? why does it make you so sick to see people compare it to an equivalent black persons games.
What is it that makes not only the comparison wrong, but also the people who draw it morally abhorrent?

The problem is not the comparison, but the blatant misinformation behind it. You make it seem like gay people are hosting own private sports event and that no one else is allowed. This is not the case at all.

Let me quote:
"The Gay Games are the largest sport and culture event in the world open to all. The Gay Games are not separatist, they are not exclusive, they are not oriented to victory, and they are not for commercial gain. They are, however, intended to bring a global community together in friendship, to experience participation, to elevate consciousness and self-esteem, and to achieve a form of cultural and intellectual synergy. We are involved in the process of altering opinions whose foundations lie in ignorance. We have the opportunity to take the initiative on critical issues that affect the quality of life and we can serve in a way that makes all people the beneficiary."

You know what I think the problem is: the name of the event. If the event was named differently but still retained the same purpose then I could guarantee that almost no one would go nuts over this. Perhaps the first thing people think when they hear Gay Games is: "I'm not invited. Fuck this shit."

 

[Ryotknife]

Jesus Fucking Christ.

Point and goddamn case.

I'm usually a pretty laid back guy that doesn't pay much attention to what the internet is spouting out, but fuck me (no pun intended) this rubs me the wrong way. What is the matter with you? You are the amongst the most hypocrite people I have ever seen. You wonder why gay people feel the need to create their own sports games while at the same time blurting out both generalizations and outright insults.

Shit like this makes me sick.

I didn't mind the jokes though, some of those were pretty funny.

EDIT: Removed some the the rage after having a good night's sleep.

Why? You explain nothing but your emotive response to peoples points, jokes and questions.
Why is it so wrong? why does it make you so sick to see people compare it to an equivalent black persons games.
What is it that makes not only the comparison wrong, but also the people who draw it morally abhorrent?

The problem is not the comparison, but the blatant misinformation behind it. You make it seem like gay people are hosting own private sports event and that no one else is allowed. This is not the case at all.

Let me quote:
"The Gay Games are the largest sport and culture event in the world open to all. The Gay Games are not separatist, they are not exclusive, they are not oriented to victory, and they are not for commercial gain. . We are involved in the process of altering opinions whose foundations lie in ignorance. We have the opportunity to take the initiative on critical issues that affect the quality of life and we can serve in a way that makes all people the beneficiary."

You know what I think the problem is: the name of the event. If the event was named differently but still retained the same purpose then I could guarantee that almost no one would go nuts over this. Perhaps the first thing people think when they hear Gay Games is: "I'm not invited. Fuck this shit."

Yes, it is mostly the name in this case. The name itself promotes self segregation, which is a BAD thing, even if it is not their intention. The gay games can be populated with nothing but bears and alligators for all that I care, call it something else.

Gay should have nothing to do with the event, just:

They are, however, intended to bring a global community together in friendship, to experience participation, to elevate consciousness and self-esteem, and to achieve a form of cultural and intellectual synergy

How something is presented is often more important than what something actually entails, as that is what the public percieves first. If this wasnt the case, marketing/advertising would not exist.

 

[Nieroshai]

Seems like more of an 'amateur', for lack of a better term, Olympics.

Anyone can participate, regardless of ability, age, sexual orientation, race, gender, nationality, political or religious beliefs, ethnic origins, or HIV status. Athletes represent their cities and not their countries.

Also, they've been around since 1968. They seem to be offering a more..open forum for competition.

OT: Doesn't seem bad to me, the name could probably use a change as I imagine it inspires this kind of reaction a-lot.

This... negates the whole point of the name then. How about "The Universal Amateur Olympics?" It's a catch-22, if it really is a Gay Olympics the whole event's a shameless political ploy; if it's just called that and anyone can participate, the name is a shameless political ploy. I'll participate in the real Olympics, thank you very much: a lot more prestige for winning regardless what I am than because of what I am.

 

[Jayemsal]

Take a look at the first page of this thread and you'll understand why we want this.

 

[Nieroshai]

At the end of the day I am like you I feel we need to stop grouping ourselves over such trivial things and just be people.

That will happen the day people are allowed to just be people without being victimized and brutalized for who they are.

It is far more common for splinter groups to claim victimization in order to get revenge on the mainstream than it is for actual victimization to occur. Racism is around every corner, like a big pointy-hooded boogeyman, and now many white people are afraid to say ANYTHING negative to black people. I don't participate in Gay Pride because shoving my pink feather-festooned crotch in a straight man's face (figuratively OR literally) is insulting no matter how you look at it.

Sorry for the image lol

 

[aba1]

There are some people simply being idiots here but there are many who seem to be trying to understand other's points of view but just can't. Perhaps this will help:

Some people are asking "we're accepting of LGBT people now so why can't they get over it now and intergrate into culture instead of segregating themselves?".

Explaining this without resorting to buzzwords (which are meaningless unless you already understand their meaning and thus pointless when trying to explain something like this) like 'white male privilege', 'hetronormative culture' and 'intersectionality' is probably best done with an analogy that most people will probably understand.

When women started being accepted into the workplace, breaking down that barrier was only the first step. It was not simply being excluded that was the problem; once a woman was allowed into the office she was expected to conform to the existing office-culture. Now that sounds reasonable until you realise that the existing culture was not simply male-dominated but 'male-normative' (ie, it assumes that everyone was male) and that this meant that the women joining the workplace were expected to pretend to be male. Not by changing how they looked or anything, but simply by integrating into that culture. That in itself doesn't sound too bad: after all, they were being accepted into the office and weren't being discriminated against right? Anyone who didn't go along with it was seen as a trouble-maker feminist, waving their feminine identity flag in everyone else's faces. But when that culture included things like rating women's tits, bragging about sexual conquests while also 'slut-shaming', entertaining clients at strip-clubs, etc that was discriminatory and demeaning. This is a problem still being dealt with today, and not just in the third world. This stuff is still typical at legal, marketing, PR, and financial firms in places like New York, London and Washington, all supposedly progressive, liberal professions in progressive, liberal cities. You can't solve sexism by simply saying: we'll treat everyone the same with the same rules - so long as they integrate into the existing male culture. You have to change the dominant culture.

This is why a couple of LGBTQ activists are getting angry on here (and perhaps not phrasing their argument in the best way possible). In the UK and the more progressive areas of the USA things are at the stage of "we'll accept LGBTQ people on their own merits and treat them the same as everyone else - so long as they integrate into straight culture". Unfortunately tht leaves gay people in much the same situation as women integrating into sexist workplaces. There is latent homophobia in existing culture. And even where it isn't outright homophobia, there is a presumption that everyone is heterosexual (and thus 'normal') unless they are waving their flag. While the discrimination LGBTQ people face in culture is very different from that experienced by women in the work place, it is no less real. For homophobia to be a thing of the past we can't simply have LGBTQ people join straight communities on the proviso that they will accept hetero-normative culture and not try to bring their own culture with them, we need to bring both straight and LGBT culture together so that the dominant culture can evolve and change. That is what the activists are fighting for, ad I agre that it is worth fighting for, even if I often disagree with the manner in which they do it (being angry and rude on here does not make progress).

Other people have made all the points about this being founded decades ago, homophobia in sport, it being open to all, it being the 'gay games' rather than olympics etc and there's no point me reiterting them if those criticising just ignored all those posts already so i'll leave it at that.

Very interesting first post and it all makes perfect sense until you stop and realize there is no straight culture or straight community. If there was there would be straight parades, festivals and events, there would be groups with meetings and like minded individuals discussing things as a group based on being straight. There might be a gay community but there is no straight one. Besides I am genuinely curious what possible needs would a gay person need in the work place that would be different from a straight person cause I am stumped. With women there might be a few things that would have needed to be changed which makes sense I mean their own bathrooms maybe some extra leeway on sick days for craps during their period stuff like that makes sense but a gay person only has one difference and that is all that being a attraction to the same gender which has nothing to do with work or workplaces.

 

[aba1]

Do you realize how insulting you are? Shut the fuck up.

You are upset for being supposedly insulted then proceed to insult ohhh irony... In all seriousness though irony is one of the funniest types of humor so I did get a good chuckle thanks!

 

[TomLikesGuitar]

To go and undermine the entire point of the Olympics(to bring people from all backgrounds together) for your own selfish desires? yeah, I'd call BS on that.

This seems to be what everyone else is missing.

It's not that the new Olympics is inherently bad, it's that it's existence UNDERMINES the point of the real Olympics. And it's more than just selfish desires, it's an event spawned out of what is essentially fear of judgement.

Also, anyone who says that the Olympics is somehow an environment where homosexuals are unsafe is being ridiculous. At least show me an example of when a homosexual was denied a medal or even treated differently during the Olympics.

What needs to happen, is that gay members of the Olympics need to start coming out. This would actually, you know, fix the problem instead of avoiding it.

 

[101flyboy]

At the end of the day I am like you I feel we need to stop grouping ourselves over such trivial things and just be people.

That will happen the day people are allowed to just be people without being victimized and brutalized for who they are.

It is far more common for splinter groups to claim victimization in order to get revenge on the mainstream than it is for actual victimization to occur. Racism is around every corner, like a big pointy-hooded boogeyman, and now many white people are afraid to say ANYTHING negative to black people. I don't participate in Gay Pride because shoving my pink feather-festooned crotch in a straight man's face (figuratively OR literally) is insulting no matter how you look at it.

Sorry for the image lol

I hate to say it, but it's very relevant to this post:

You sound like the classic example of a privileged straight white man. CLASSIC example. You don't even know what real institutionalized discrimination is for who you are, so how dare you tell actual disenfranchised groups that they are blowing REAL discrimination out of proportion? How dare you. Like you honestly have some fucking nerve.

 

[101flyboy]

To go and undermine the entire point of the Olympics(to bring people from all backgrounds together) for your own selfish desires? yeah, I'd call BS on that.

This seems to be what everyone else is missing.

It's not that the new Olympics is inherently bad, it's that it's existence UNDERMINES the point of the real Olympics. And it's more than just selfish desires, it's an event spawned out of what is essentially fear of judgement.

Also, anyone who says that the Olympics is somehow an environment where homosexuals are unsafe is being ridiculous. At least show me an example of when a homosexual was denied a medal or even treated differently during the Olympics.

What needs to happen, is that gay members of the Olympics need to start coming out. This would actually, you know, fix the problem instead of avoiding it.

You should stop telling the gay community what to do. You think homosexuality is a deviant fetish that's unnatural and abnormal. You're clearly no-one that we're going to take advise from.

 

[101flyboy]

Do you realize how insulting you are? Shut the fuck up.

You are upset for being supposedly insulted then proceed to insult ohhh irony... In all seriousness though irony is one of the funniest types of humor so I did get a good chuckle thanks!

Insult? No. Telling people to shut up is not insulting their character. If I wanted to do that, I could very easily. But that's not how you get your point across in a debate.

However, if you refuse to let the other side speak, then you have a problem. And that's what's happening here. Everyday straight people refusing to allow non-heterosexuals and their straight allies speak. And trying to railroad us. And telling us what we should think and what we should do when you don't even experience what we do and have no idea what we're thinking.

That's why you and others should heed my advice and shut up. And maybe, just maybe, you'll learn something. I doubt it since many posters here appear to be stuck in their ways, wanting to be a victim and more or less lashing out at the gay community and our allies.

 

[101flyboy]

It is far more common for splinter groups to claim victimization in order to get revenge on the mainstream than it is for actual victimization to occur.

I find it amusing when you show your hand by making claims you cannot possibly know to be true.

And then these same people wonder why these events are formed and occur. Are they being intentionally dense? Do they want to drive people crazy? It seems like it. They just don't care.

 

[101flyboy]

Very interesting first post and it all makes perfect sense until you stop and realize there is no straight culture or straight community. If there was there would be straight parades, festivals and events, there would be groups with meetings and like minded individuals discussing things as a group based on being straight.

The WORLD is your culture. The WORLD is your community. The WORLD is completely oriented to promote and protect straight people and disenfranchise non-straight people. EVERYTHING is tailored towards straight people unless they are not. And you're still complaining? What the heck! You're still complaining because this one thing isn't about you. Yup. You need everything to revolve around you. And revolve around straight people.

Where is this reaction white people have towards black history month? Where is this reaction Jewish people have towards St. Patrick's Day? Why isn't there mass resistance towards Sikh's having their own events? Hell, there isn't this level of ANTAGONISM towards girl gamers. Why is there so much towards homosexuality, regardless of the circumstances? There may be towards these other groups but it certainly isn't to this extent.

Oh. That's right! Because faggots need to keep their faggotry behind closed doors. And stop complaining about social structures that keep homosexuality stigmatized. Faggots aren't equal and have enough rights already. We're faggots. We need to shut up and accept what we already have.

 

[MysticToast]

Very interesting first post and it all makes perfect sense until you stop and realize there is no straight culture or straight community. If there was there would be straight parades, festivals and events, there would be groups with meetings and like minded individuals discussing things as a group based on being straight.

The WORLD is your culture. The WORLD is your community. The WORLD is completely oriented to promote and protect straight people and disenfranchise non-straight people. EVERYTHING is tailored towards straight people unless they are not. And you're still complaining? What the heck! You're still complaining because this one thing isn't about you. Yup. You need everything to revolve around you. And revolve around straight people.


Where is this reaction white people have towards black history month? Where is this reaction Jewish people have towards St. Patrick's Day? Why isn't there mass resistance towards Sikh's having their own events? Hell, there isn't this level of ANTAGONISM towards girl gamers. Why is there so much towards homosexuality, regardless of the circumstances?

Oh. That's right. Because faggots need to keep their faggotry behind closed doors. And stop complaining about social structures that keep homosexuality stigmatized. Faggots aren't equal. We're faggots.

You tell 'em! I'll put my stick bundles wherever I dang well please!