GayGamer.net has a lot to answer for

[Dana22]

gaygamer.com ? Really ? Thats most stupid thing Ive ever heard.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

gaygamer.com ? Really ? Thats most stupid thing Ive ever heard.

You're on the internet and that's the stupidest thing you've heard?

 

[sketch_zeppelin]

I just want to know when we as society decided to replace the word dumb with gay? Homosexuality aside, I just find the modern term annoying at best. Especially when gay actually means happy.

 

[Dana22]

gaygamer.com ? Really ? Thats most stupid thing Ive ever heard.

You're on the internet and that's the stupidest thing you've heard?

Yeah, today.

So we have separate game sites dedicated to homosexuals now ? I thought they want to be treated as equals.

 

[rockyoumonkeys]

All talk of overreaction aside, it shouldn't really be on us to "figure out" what he really meant when he used "gay". As has been said, regardless of how he used it, it was inappropriate, since he didn't mean happy, and since none of the space marines actually ARE gay.

Doesn't matter that the word has somehow come to be an acceptable substitution for "dumb" or "silly" or whatever. Still the wrong word to use, and playing it down is just going to make it seem more acceptable.

 

[rockyoumonkeys]

gaygamer.com ? Really ? Thats most stupid thing Ive ever heard.

You're on the internet and that's the stupidest thing you've heard?

Yeah, today.

So we have separate game sites dedicated to homosexuals now ? I thought they want to be treated as equals.

They do, but they aren't. And it's not really a "separate site". It's just a place gay gamers can go where they don't have to worry about the rampant homophobia/hate they find most other places on the internet.

 

[SpaceGhostPoncherello]

So we're not allowed to call things gay anymore?
That sucks, I love calling stuff gay.

That article is gay, some gays need to get over the fact that they're gay and stop taking offense to anyone that says gay, it's just as immature.

 

[Woodsey]

Be a deviant; Get offended when people treat you differently; Stay classy.

A "deviant"? xD

Didn't realise we were still in the middle fucking ages.

I meant deviants in general, but sure, call me out on it. Would you prefer "******"? Is that more in line with your modern day tastes? Something kids are more familiar with saying?

lolwut?

I'm calling you out on calling them "deviants" in the first place, not because you didn't use a "modern" word for it.

Still, I love how you try and take the moral high-ground against me despite you saying they deserve to be treated differently because they're not heterosexual.

Who else would you consider a "deviant" then? This should be good.

 

[rockyoumonkeys]

So we're not allowed to call things gay anymore?
That sucks, I love calling stuff gay.

That article is gay, some gays need to get over the fact that they're gay and stop taking offense to anyone that says gay, it's just as immature.

Oh I certainly can't say you're "not allowed to". Knock yourself out. But don't whine like a little girl with a skinned knee when people get upset about it.

 

[Dana22]

gaygamer.com ? Really ? Thats most stupid thing Ive ever heard.

You're on the internet and that's the stupidest thing you've heard?

Yeah, today.

So we have separate game sites dedicated to homosexuals now ? I thought they want to be treated as equals.

They do, but they aren't. And it's not really a "separate site". It's just a place gay gamers can go where they don't have to worry about the rampant homophobia/hate they find most other places on the internet.

I dont see how It differs from saying "your kind belongs at the back of the bus".
Part of being treated as equal, is dealing with problems like everyone else. Not creating a secluded ghetto of any kind. Otherwise you are branding yourself as a "different".

I now im exaggerating atm, but still...

 

[Tele-screen]

I would guess that the original comment regarding "gay space marines" had to do with the inherent homoeroticism that is often found between the hyper masculine marine characters. In the process of establishing military camaraderie between their characters, many games just sort of make them seem like stereotypically repressed gays. As long as he wasn't using "gay" in the pejorative sense, I don't believe the comment needs to be taken as an insult. If anything, it only reflects an observation and acknowledgment of one of the silly aspects of a hyper masculine culture that marginalizes homosexuality while also demonstrating an un-intentional homoeroticism.

 

[rockyoumonkeys]

gaygamer.com ? Really ? Thats most stupid thing Ive ever heard.

You're on the internet and that's the stupidest thing you've heard?

Yeah, today.

So we have separate game sites dedicated to homosexuals now ? I thought they want to be treated as equals.

They do, but they aren't. And it's not really a "separate site". It's just a place gay gamers can go where they don't have to worry about the rampant homophobia/hate they find most other places on the internet.

I dont see how It differs from saying "your kind belongs at the back of the bus".
Part of being treated as equal, is dealing with problems like everyone else. Not creating a secluded ghetto of any kind. Otherwise you are branding yourself as a "different".

I now im exaggerating atm, but still...

Exaggeration isn't even the right word for it. "Secluded ghetto"? And "dealing with problems like everyone else" is all fine and dandy, but it's not like we're talking about the same problems.

But nevermind that, because it's not really even about "dealing with problems". Sites like that aren't meant as some kind of therapy. They're a place where people who have something in common can go to talk about whatever they like, including what they have in common.

You're here at the Escapist. Why aren't you somewhere else? You like video games. But why shouldn't you go to some more generic and non-specific message board? Why are you here at this secluded ghetto? You're clearly branding yourself as "different". Yes?

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

This is having double standards ,being routinely irritated about political correctness ,yet taking offense at someone using the word gay to describe something lame.
I just pointed out how the lighthearted and joyful people (the original gays) must have felt when their word was taken hostage by manlovers.
This reminds me of that southpark episode about that group of bikers..
same thing..

How exactly is it 'double standards' that the word not be used as a general insult? Sure it's politically correct, but at the same time it's kinda derogatory regardless .. I mean it connotes that 'gay' is generally something akin to a disease in the form of misfortune.

And its a load of bullshit that the usage of 'gay' as an insult or exclamation of an unfortunate incident was born of nothing other than a homophobic slur.

I mean why not a racial slur instead of a term used in identifying sexuality?

At the very least using the term in a derogatory or in exclaiming a misfortune should be seen as poor form.

I think as a homosexual I wouldn't exactly wish to associate with anybody that used gay as an insult or to describe unwarranted things happening to them or others. Call me politically correct, but I don't think I would tolerate it very well.

To be fair I'd probably retaliate around that person with "Well that's so fucking Waspy it's enough to make me sick" and other pseudo religious/racial slurs to sorta hone the point that referring to my sexuality as something bad in my face every day at work/uni or whatever doesn't make for a happy environment I have to be within.

I mean really? You could not actually picture yourself as a homosexual and not be offended whenever you heard some say this?;

"That's so fucking gay dude." or any other variant?

You would take absolutely no offence?

 

[Funkysandwich]

So we're not allowed to call things gay anymore?
That sucks, I love calling stuff gay.

That article is gay, some gays need to get over the fact that they're gay and stop taking offense to anyone that says gay, it's just as immature.

Oh I certainly can't say you're "not allowed to". Knock yourself out. But don't whine like a little girl with a skinned knee when people get upset about it.

People need to stop getting upset over pointless crap. It's not that much of a problem.

Maybe the homosexual community would have a right to be offended if he'd said "bum jockey" or "arse bandit", but really, he didn't mean it as a attack on the homosexual community and it shouldn't be taken as such.

The world would be a better place if we all stopped these massive knee-jerk reactions. My brother is gay, and I'm sure he'd laugh if I told him about what Grace said.

Save being offended for things that are worth the fuss, otherwise it stops being special.

 

[SpaceGhostPoncherello]

So we're not allowed to call things gay anymore?
That sucks, I love calling stuff gay.

That article is gay, some gays need to get over the fact that they're gay and stop taking offense to anyone that says gay, it's just as immature.

Oh I certainly can't say you're "not allowed to". Knock yourself out. But don't whine like a little girl with a skinned knee when people get upset about it.

When he said it it made me chuckle a little, and I 'play for the other team' myself. I just don't see how someone saying something is gay can turn into such a shitstorm. The guy used the wrong word, yea, but some people are acting like he said "gays are going to hell" or something.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

He is unhappy with the use of the word gay to mean "bad". Problem is, just about every single person does it. My brother doesn't have anything against gay people, but he uses the term. I myself have used the term to mean "bad". What can I say, I grew up in Australia, and that's the language that was used on the school grounds. I picked it up as a slang word, just as everyone did.

I have made an effort to not use that word in that sense, but damn it, I can't be bothered filtering and monitoring what I say every single second of every single day. For what it's worth, INTENTIONS matter. If someone doesn't mean to offend, and in this case, I think it's pretty clear that Grace did not mean to offend, then let it go. There's enough REAL hatred out there you know.

I am half Chinese. I don't really look it though (my brother does, however) and when I'm around white people I have heard racist speech, not directed at me, but against other chinese people, and believe me, it sets my teeth on edge. Recently, I heard someone complain about "cheap chinese goods" and knockoffs. Did I get offended? Did I raise a stink over the issue? No, due to the fact that china does produce many cheap goods (for which I am grateful) and unfortunately many knockoffs do come from China. The man wasn't intending to insult Chinese people, but had an issue with economic practices, which is fair enough. So I let it go. Because intent MATTERS. Speech without intent is meaningless, it's just sound.

In the case of Denby Grace, I seriously doubt that a conscious jab at gay people was the intent. Therefore, it was not insult. Insult REQUIRES INTENT. You cannot unintentionally insult someone - that's just being tactless or unsophisticated. People can be offended by unintentional remarks, but that is not the same thing as being insulted directly.

I don't like using the word "gay" as a pejorative, and I have (largely) stopped. But I know many people who do use it. They aren't gay-bashers, they aren't conservative voting, angry bigots who fear those different from them - in fact, they're largely progressive people who back Same Sex Marriage. It's just that in the culture they grew up in, that was how people talked.

To make such a fuss over this, HURTS those who do support gay rights. Instead of focusing on important issues, they focus on small matters and wording. They are literally arguing over semantics and syntax, when gays are being stoned to death in Saudi Arabia, and when gay military personnel have to lead double lives.

Look, gay people, you need straight people to join your cause. By doing this, you are just trying people's patience. Intent matters, context matters, and raising a fuss over a slip of the tongue, or some slang, raising a fuss over ONE SYLLABLE, a sound in the air, not designed to cause offense, is just silly.

For the record, using the N-word isn't the same thing. That isn't slang in most parts of the world, it is a deliberate insult. When people say the N-word, they say so INTENTIONALLY to refer to black people. No one says "man,that's so N-word". No, every time the N-word is used, it is directed SPECIFICALLY at people.

But even then, I make allowances for the elderly, so long as it was a slip up. For example, I used to know a man who referred to Indigenous Australians as "abbos", which is quite offensive to them. I pointed this out to him, calmly, when he did it, and he always apologized. Apart from the use of that word, he was fine - he backed the Government apology to the Aboriginal community, he was in favour of giving them more land-rights, but the dude was 58 years old and that's the language he grew up in. It worms your way into your mind and sits there.

So gay people - please understand that INTENT MATTERS. I know you don't like hearing that word used in a negative light and I understand that. But anger doesn't help. Anger is appropriate if someone is GENUINELY insulting gay people, but if they aren't, it doesn't help, and just causes more problems. Logically, if you hear someone use the word gay in a pejorative manner, then gently, but firmly, correct them. You could say "please don't use that word in that way", or "please don't use that term" or "please pay more attention to your language", you know, things like that. That would be more helpful then misdirected anger, which is not constructive.

well said.

just to add to this, 9 out of every 10 homosexual persons i know, uses the word gay in the slang way also, as that is how they grew up and they have never once used it to describe themselves or anyone else in that manner, and that last 1 to 2 people dont care about the word at all, they dont even use it. now im not saying everyone/every homosexual person does this around the world, but from the general consensus of my area and from other people of the homosexual community, thats how they use it too.

and like the post i quoted said, its all about intent on that, i could make up at trend saying "barkraddish" which could stand for "fucking foreigners", but regardless, its all intent, as no one would care what i am saying, as thats what they look for, not the intent of the word.

 

[rockyoumonkeys]

So we're not allowed to call things gay anymore?
That sucks, I love calling stuff gay.

That article is gay, some gays need to get over the fact that they're gay and stop taking offense to anyone that says gay, it's just as immature.

Oh I certainly can't say you're "not allowed to". Knock yourself out. But don't whine like a little girl with a skinned knee when people get upset about it.

When he said it it made me chuckle a little, and I 'play for the other team' myself. I just don't see how someone saying something is gay can turn into such a shitstorm. The guy used the wrong word, yea, but some people are acting like he said "gays are going to hell" or something.

Different people will have reactions of different degrees. A lot of people see it as no big deal, and good for them. Other people get more upset about it, and that can be for any number of reasons. I'm not remotely offended by it, but I also accept that it's certainly offensive to others, and I really don't like the "they need to get over pointless crap" mentality that some people have.