Gays and Homophobia

[Andrew Bohan]

...why do I have a feeling that this thread can only end in a smoldering, blackened wreck of Hitler comparisons and yo momma insults?

That said, human sexuality is somethimes too multifaceted and complicated to try and label. So, to seriously answer your question, I don't know. I'm attracted to who I'm attracted to and if they happen to be a man, woman or other*, then I'm attracted to that man, woman or other.


* Other meaning people who do not consider themselves to be either a man or a woman.

Inb4 godwin eh? Welcome to the escapist.

 

[bl4ckh4wk64]

I don't prefer them to keep it hidden, I just don't want to know. Say I'm going hunting with this guy, and I know he's gay. I'm going to fear sleeping in the same tent as him, it's not logical, but there it is. If I don't know if he's gay, I won't care because we're two guys out hunting in the woods, I won't see him as any different than me. Religion has bred us to see gay and straight as two complete opposite things, and America has helped it along.

So, your entire opinion of an individual has been altered due to one characteristic because of Religion and American society. Why do you see the gay as a threat? Do you think women would have the same opinion to a straight man? What about religion and American Society has bred this view?

I can't tell you what women think. I don't even think God could tell you what goes on in their minds. Multiple references in the Bible state that being homosexual is an affront to God. (Soddom and Gammorah) You ever wonder where Sodomy comes from? American society is also based upon making things black and white. You believe in this, or you believe in its polar opposite. There is no moderation and there is no middle ground. It's a wonder so many Americans try to embrace the "Middle Way" ideas in Buddhism... I don't necessarily see gays as a threat, but that doesn't mean I go around embracing them. Maybe it's because I went to an all-guys Catholic school where homosexual tendencies disrupted the peace. Maybe it's because of my parents telling me that I couldn't hang out with this one kid because he was "different." I don't know, I was raised like this and I'll stick with what I was raised with. It works for me. I've adapted as I've grown older and I realized that Ignorance is bliss, and that I don't really care to know if someone is gay or not, but I'm not the person you should "come out of the closet" to. It's not a matter of me being angry, it's more a matter of me completely ignoring or having a different opinion of you.

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

...why do I have a feeling that this thread can only end in a smoldering, blackened wreck of Hitler comparisons and yo momma insults?

I'm doing my best to try and make sure that it remains a civil, academic discussion

 

[Kimarous]

-snip-

*rolls eyes* Whatever. Believe whatever improbably low numbers you want. We can argue semantics until the cows come home. This argument has long since veered off the main topic.

You want to play that game? Fine. I'll play ball. A whole city is a vastly more improbable number than a group of 5 or 6. To believe the entire city was populated by pansexuals seems absurd. Even Greece had heterosexuals. Honestly, I'm not belittling your right to interpret it that way I'm just stating that it's possible there are other interpretations of it which could still be correct by that wording.

"We could argue about this forever, so let's stop" and "we've gone way off topic"... was it really so hard to understand these two messages?

 

[Palademon]

I'm one for equality, so I don't care who's anything aslong as people don't make a big deal out of it.

 

[bl4ckh4wk64]

I don't prefer them to keep it hidden, I just don't want to know. Say I'm going hunting with this guy, and I know he's gay. I'm going to fear sleeping in the same tent as him, it's not logical, but there it is. If I don't know if he's gay, I won't care because we're two guys out hunting in the woods, I won't see him as any different than me. Religion has bred us to see gay and straight as two complete opposite things, and America has helped it along.

Newsflash: Just because you're a guy doesn't mean every gay guy wants to have sex with you. I hate it when straight guys immediately assume that because a person is gay, they want to have sex with every single man. For myself, and a lot of my gay friends, straight guys are a turn off.

That's why I said it doesn't make logical sense. Make of it what you will.

 

[blankedboy]

Eh, it's a topic I love to argue around. I'm feeling unsatisfied right now, someone find me a homophobe to castrate, decimate and incinerate. Otherwise known as the CD-I method (see what I did there? :3)

See, now your no better than the homophobes that want to castrate, decimate and incinerate you.

Not from my (satanist) point of view. If homophobe "x" wants someone CDI'd because of his own prejudice and he doesn't have a legitimate base reason for it, then he's the one who deserves that treatment.
(that is, if i interpreted your argument correctly, which i probably didn't cos it's laaaate here in new zealand)

Homosexuality is not manly. You might be the man in the relationship, but you've become so at the expense of your partner's dignity and masculinity. It's also pointless and embarrassing for your family, no matter how pleasurable it may be for you. A bit like blowing yourself.

Now that's just confusing. Are you saying that with two men in a relationship, one HAS to take a womanly role and the other HAS to take a manly role? Both partners can be masculine. Either you're legitimately stupid or you're just trolling, neither of which are particularly welcome to anyone, anywhere.
Except people with strange fetishes, but that's irrelevant.

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

I can't tell you what women think. I don't even think God could tell you what goes on in their minds. Multiple references in the Bible state that being homosexual is an affront to God. (Soddom and Gammorah) You ever wonder where Sodomy comes from? American society is also based upon making things black and white. You believe in this, or you believe in its polar opposite. There is no moderation and there is no middle ground. It's a wonder so many Americans try to embrace the "Middle Way" ideas in Buddhism... I don't necessarily see gays as a threat, but that doesn't mean I go around embracing them. Maybe it's because I went to an all-guys Catholic school where homosexual tendencies disrupted the peace. Maybe it's because of my parents telling me that I couldn't hang out with this one kid because he was "different." I don't know, I was raised like this and I'll stick with what I was raised with. It works for me. I've adapted as I've grown older and I realized that Ignorance is bliss, and that I don't really care to know if someone is gay or not, but I'm not the person you should "come out of the closet" to. It's not a matter of me being angry, it's more a matter of me completely ignoring or having a different opinion of you.

Firstly, may I ask you religion (I just want to gain more of an understanding.

And you are saying that your objections to gays developed from a pavloving experiences and because you have had it reinforced as wrong and to avoid it, so you do so; to make it reasonable you also seem to have developed some reasoning as justification. Is that right?

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

Eh, it's a topic I love to argue around. I'm feeling unsatisfied right now, someone find me a homophobe to castrate, decimate and incinerate. Otherwise known as the CD-I method (see what I did there? :3)

See, now your no better than the homophobes that want to castrate, decimate and incinerate you.

Not from my (satanist) point of view. If homophobe "x" wants someone CDI'd because of his own prejudice and he doesn't have a legitimate base reason for it, then he's the one who deserves that treatment.
(that is, if i interpreted your argument correctly, which i probably didn't cos it's laaaate here in new zealand)

You shouldn't harbour hate for them, they are different like you. Instead of fighting with them, talk to them and try and understand where there coming from. It is why I made this thread after all.

 

[blankedboy]

Eh, it's a topic I love to argue around. I'm feeling unsatisfied right now, someone find me a homophobe to castrate, decimate and incinerate. Otherwise known as the CD-I method (see what I did there? :3)

See, now your no better than the homophobes that want to castrate, decimate and incinerate you.

Not from my (satanist) point of view. If homophobe "x" wants someone CDI'd because of his own prejudice and he doesn't have a legitimate base reason for it, then he's the one who deserves that treatment.
(that is, if i interpreted your argument correctly, which i probably didn't cos it's laaaate here in new zealand)

You shouldn't harbour hate for them, they are different like you. Instead of fighting with them, talk to them and try and understand where there coming from. It is why I made this thread after all.

Gah, I think y'all forgot that CD-I doesn't actually mean a senseless beating. It doesn't include castration, decimation, or incineration in the literal sense.

 

[Sebenko]

Very lesbian here, and loving it. ^ ^

Haven't really had any encounters with homophobia. I mean, sure, I had some issues in early high school with girls being all like, "Oh, you're a lesbian, THEREFORE YOU MUST BE ATTRACTED TO ME!" but that was just immaturity, no worse than what happened to anyone else there.

Pretty much what happened to me, just with the guys instead.

Not that I didn't appreciate the increased attention I got from the girls in my class.

Homosexuality is not manly. You might be the man in the relationship, but you've become so at the expense of your partner's dignity and masculinity. It's also pointless and embarrassing for your family, no matter how pleasurable it may be for you. A bit like blowing yourself.

Why do you think this is so? Have you been in a gay relationship or witnessed one up close? Why would one lose their masculinity and dignity from being with another man? And do you believe it is the same for Lesbian couples, that they lose their feminity and dignity?

Check post history; See he be trollin'; ignore and move on.

 

[Snotnarok]

You forgot Asexual OP.

Don't start that, there's about 30 different sexualities, no-one can be bothered listing them all.

Actually, speaking of religious views, I'm actually a Satanist, which is one of the few religions that doesn't hate on non-hetero sexualities... hellz yeah. Pfff, unintentional puns get the best of me wherever I go. Pisss offfff.
I would post more, but I'll probably go off a tangent and make this a thread about Satanism, and I already have like 5 posts in this thread :/

I'm sure there are but hell I'm asexual and you have no idea what nosnense I get. I get confused looks, billions of questions and then people telling me it's physically impossible to not want sex.

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

Eh, it's a topic I love to argue around. I'm feeling unsatisfied right now, someone find me a homophobe to castrate, decimate and incinerate. Otherwise known as the CD-I method (see what I did there? :3)

See, now your no better than the homophobes that want to castrate, decimate and incinerate you.

Not from my (satanist) point of view. If homophobe "x" wants someone CDI'd because of his own prejudice and he doesn't have a legitimate base reason for it, then he's the one who deserves that treatment.
(that is, if i interpreted your argument correctly, which i probably didn't cos it's laaaate here in new zealand)

You shouldn't harbour hate for them, they are different like you. Instead of fighting with them, talk to them and try and understand where there coming from. It is why I made this thread after all.

Gah, I think y'all forgot that CD-I doesn't actually mean a senseless beating. It doesn't include castration, decimation, or incineration in the literal sense.

I apologise, I am unaware of what CD-I means. I'm sorry if I offended you

 

[bl4ckh4wk64]

I can't tell you what women think. I don't even think God could tell you what goes on in their minds. Multiple references in the Bible state that being homosexual is an affront to God. (Soddom and Gammorah) You ever wonder where Sodomy comes from? American society is also based upon making things black and white. You believe in this, or you believe in its polar opposite. There is no moderation and there is no middle ground. It's a wonder so many Americans try to embrace the "Middle Way" ideas in Buddhism... I don't necessarily see gays as a threat, but that doesn't mean I go around embracing them. Maybe it's because I went to an all-guys Catholic school where homosexual tendencies disrupted the peace. Maybe it's because of my parents telling me that I couldn't hang out with this one kid because he was "different." I don't know, I was raised like this and I'll stick with what I was raised with. It works for me. I've adapted as I've grown older and I realized that Ignorance is bliss, and that I don't really care to know if someone is gay or not, but I'm not the person you should "come out of the closet" to. It's not a matter of me being angry, it's more a matter of me completely ignoring or having a different opinion of you.

Firstly, may I ask you religion (I just want to gain more of an understanding.

And you are saying that your objections to gays developed from a pavloving experiences and because you have had it reinforced as wrong and to avoid it, so you do so; to make it reasonable you also seem to have developed some reasoning as justification. Is that right?

Pretty much, and I consider myself a moderate Catholic.

 

[Sacman]

Eh, it's a topic I love to argue around. I'm feeling unsatisfied right now, someone find me a homophobe to castrate, decimate and incinerate. Otherwise known as the CD-I method (see what I did there? :3)

See, now your no better than the homophobes that want to castrate, decimate and incinerate you.

Not from my (satanist) point of view. If homophobe "x" wants someone CDI'd because of his own prejudice and he doesn't have a legitimate base reason for it, then he's the one who deserves that treatment.
(that is, if i interpreted your argument correctly, which i probably didn't cos it's laaaate here in new zealand)

You shouldn't harbour hate for them, they are different like you. Instead of fighting with them, talk to them and try and understand where there coming from. It is why I made this thread after all.

Gah, I think y'all forgot that CD-I doesn't actually mean a senseless beating. It doesn't include castration, decimation, or incineration in the literal sense.

I apologise, I am unaware of what CD-I means. I'm sorry if I offended you

I thought they were talking about the Philips CD-I that thing was atrocious...<.<

Spoiler

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

Homosexuality is not manly. You might be the man in the relationship, but you've become so at the expense of your partner's dignity and masculinity. It's also pointless and embarrassing for your family, no matter how pleasurable it may be for you. A bit like blowing yourself.

Why do you think this is so? Have you been in a gay relationship or witnessed one up close? Why would one lose their masculinity and dignity from being with another man? And do you believe it is the same for Lesbian couples, that they lose their feminity and dignity?

Check post history; See he be trollin'; ignore and move on.

He picked a terrible thread to do it in, I'm not going to argue or get angry with him, I'm just going to keep asking questions and dissect what he says so I can understand his position

 

[UncertaintyPrinciple]

Pretty much, and I consider myself a moderate Catholic.

But your parents and you follow none the teachings of Chirst but of other parts of your faith for the issue of homosexuality

 

[JokerCrowe]

I'm straight.
And I don't mind homosexuals. Well... not any more than I mind heterosexuals. or any other sexuals for that matter.
I'm not very religious (not religious at all in fact), and for some reason something tells me that homophobia almost always has something to do with religion.

 

[Whitenail]

I'm fine with the entire LGBT community, partly because I was raised with a friend who's neighbours were gay and one of my father's friends being gay, mostly because they're just regular people. I'm heterosexual (and Catholic...we aren't all bigots...) btw.