Geeks vs Nerds... a difference? I think so...

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So much depression, cynicism, and outright madness on the Escapist recently, let's talk about something a bit more light-hearted, shall we?

Clarification: Before we begin, understand that I mean the terms "geek" and "nerd" in terms of fanaticism, not academics.

I was at Magfest earlier this year, living it up as I usually do at cons (if you were there, I was Louis [http://images.wikia.com/left4dead/images/f/f0/Louis_1.png] with a sword), when I saw on the schedule two events slated for Saturday at midnight: a Q&A panel hosted by Arin "Egoraptor" Hanson, and another about "Nerdicism: Video Games, Comics, and Anime as a new religion".

I originally was to head to the Egoraptor panel, because... c'mon, Egoraptor! But alas, I was too late as the room was filled to the brim with fans, so much that there was a small handful of fellow con-goers eagerly waiting for a seat to open so they could joyfully hop into it. My dreams crushed, I glanced across the hall to where the Nerdicism panel was coinciding. Now, originally I was put off by the description:

Why all things nerd make for the best religion out there. Topics will include gnostic belief versus true belief, what fandoms could make the cut, and why Godzilla makes the perfect figure of righteousness.
expecting an amorphous mass of loud, rabid fanboys with a very obvious disrespect for dissenting opinions and common hygiene (yes, they really exist and I've seen them). Between debating going back to the Game Room yet again and standing in line for Egoraptor, I finally said "fuggit" and peaked inside. Despite my expectations, it was mostly quiet, with the dozen or so strong audience in rapt attention of the panel host, the listeners themselves as diverse as the mane that sits atop Rainbow Dash's head (I can't believe I just used that reference). Short and sweet, I was pleasantly surprised.

Over the course of the panel we talked about various subjects: influences of Japanese animation in America and vice versa, the man behind Stan Lee and possibly the true creator of the X-Men, the parallels of science fiction and fantasy, Transformers porn (don't ask), and a shocking yet perfectly reasonable correlation between sports fans and nerds/geeks.

But here's the piece of the panel that stood out the most to me: for a brief moment towards the tale end of the panel there was a brief discussion of "the nerd" versus "the geek" (hence the thread title). The panel host then went on to explain how he and his colleagues/friends classified each:

The "nerd" will go to a con dressed as his/her favorite character - for ease, we'll use Cloud Strife [http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy/images/5/5b/Ff7ac-cloud-render.jpg] from the Final Fantasy VII series (yes, series). He/she will have an almost authentic - and, as such, expensive - costume topped off with hair meticulously formed, framed, and colored, will have a lovingly-crafted replica of the Buster Sword (Cloud Buster?), and will essentially be a real-life version of Cloud himself, right down to personality and mannerisms. The "nerd" will purchase FFVII memorabilia from fan-art to games to movies to maybe even a live Buster Sword (and lemme tell ya, you need some forearm strength to even lift those bitches, let alone hold them properly). And when all is said and done, he/she will go home, play FFVII or watch FFVII: Advent Children, or maybe blog about it, or maybe create some fan-works of their own.

The "geek" will go to a con dressed as his/her favorite character - for ease, we'll use Cloud Strife [http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy/images/5/5b/Ff7ac-cloud-render.jpg] from the Final Fantasy VII series (yes, series). He/she will have an almost authentic - and, as such, expensive - costume topped off with hair meticulously formed, framed, and colored, will have a lovingly-crafted replica of the Buster Sword (Cloud Buster?), and will essentially be a real-life version of Cloud himself, right down to personality and mannerisms. The "nerd" will purchase FFVII memorabilia from fan-art to games to movies to maybe even a live Buster Sword (and lemme tell ya, you need some forearm strength to even lift those bitches, let alone hold them properly). And when all is said and done, he/she will go home, and proceed to rape face in, say, CoD, or Street Fighter. Or he/she will watch [American] football or some other major sporting event.

In essence, the "nerd" loves [insert chosen fandom here]. The "geek" simply likes [insert same chosen fandom here]. And with the exception of maybe 2 people (if that), the audience was in agreement, myself included.

Let's extend that same assertion here - how many of you agree or disagree and why? Do you have any examples or stories you would like to share yourselves? Or perhaps you wanna know about the parallels of the "sports jock" (if you will) and the "nerd/geek"?
 

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SageRuffin said:
In essence, the "nerd" loves [insert chosen fandom here]. The "geek" simply likes [insert same chosen fandom here]. And with the exception of maybe 2 people (if that), the audience was in agreement, myself included.
I can accept your definition of "nerd", however a geek is a carnival side-show featuring someone who bites the heads off of live chickens. It is a quite often mis-used term in highschool. :p
 

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SageRuffin said:
Let's extend that same assertion here - how many of you agree or disagree and why? Do you have any examples or stories you would like to share yourselves? Or perhaps you wanna know about the parallels of the "sports jock" (if you will) and the "nerd/geek"?

I had a friend that used to get incredibly worked up if you called him a nerd instead of a geek. He was therefore called a nerd, purely for being bothered by the distinction between the two!

Seriously though; my impression was always that geeks are the ones that do well in school and don't like breaking rules, whereas nerds are the ones that love cosplay and are likely to own everything from a genuine prop lightsaber to entire armies of 40K figurines.
I freely admit that there is probably a fair bit of overlap between the two categories!

There might also be differences between British and American uses of the word - any other Brits care to say if they agree with my definition or not?
 

Vault101

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I always saw nerds as people who were very intellectual

such as a physics professor who loves reality TV is still a nerd..if there ever is such a thing

also unrelated but people seem to think being cynical makes them "smarter"

I wouldnt call myself a nerd because Im not an acedemic acheiver nor do I know enough about any given topic

EDIT: well it seems a few people define it the other way around
 

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British person here!

I'd always thought they were both American terms. They definitely feel very American when I use them. I've always felt they're both vaguely perjorative, which means that they're good words when you use them about you and yours in a self-deprecating way, but bad words when you use them about others.
 

kurupt87

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OneCatch said:
SageRuffin said:
Let's extend that same assertion here - how many of you agree or disagree and why? Do you have any examples or stories you would like to share yourselves? Or perhaps you wanna know about the parallels of the "sports jock" (if you will) and the "nerd/geek"?

I had a friend that used to get incredibly worked up if you called him a nerd instead of a geek. He was therefore called a nerd, purely for being bothered by the distinction between the two!

Seriously though; my impression was always that geeks are the ones that do well in school and don't like breaking rules, whereas nerds are the ones that love cosplay and are likely to own everything from a genuine prop lightsaber to entire armies of 40K figurines.
I freely admit that there is probably a fair bit of overlap between the two categories!

There might also be differences between British and American uses of the word - any other Brits care to say if they agree with my definition or not?
I'm with you, brother. A geek is an academic achiever, a nerd is someone who is into something that is not widely socially accepted.

Edit: So, geek = brainiac, boffin; whilst nerd = loser. That comes out harsh in brit speak but that is the distinction. I would call myself a nerd by the way, not one that's a shrinking violet either.

Edit 2: Huh, 1337[sup]th[/sup] post. This may have to be bookmarked so I can come up with a suitably 1337 re-edit.

Edit 3: Edits count as a post ?! Waste...
 

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A Geek is someone who is very knowledgeable about a single subject, to the detriment of his knowledge in other areas. Be it Math, sports, electronics, Star Wars, whatever. They've dedicated themselves to the study of a single field, and are extremely proficient in it. Not necessarily an insult, it has become a "taken back" term, more or less. These days, people consider being a geek a good thing, so long as it's in a useful field (especially computers).

A Nerd is a person with terrible social skills. The two tend to overlap, but you can be a Geek and still come across as a normal person. A Nerd is immediately identifiable on sight. They give off this almost palpable air of "You don't get out much, do you?". Nerd is most certainly an insult.
 

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kurupt87 said:
OneCatch said:
SageRuffin said:
Let's extend that same assertion here - how many of you agree or disagree and why? Do you have any examples or stories you would like to share yourselves? Or perhaps you wanna know about the parallels of the "sports jock" (if you will) and the "nerd/geek"?

I had a friend that used to get incredibly worked up if you called him a nerd instead of a geek. He was therefore called a nerd, purely for being bothered by the distinction between the two!

Seriously though; my impression was always that geeks are the ones that do well in school and don't like breaking rules, whereas nerds are the ones that love cosplay and are likely to own everything from a genuine prop lightsaber to entire armies of 40K figurines.
I freely admit that there is probably a fair bit of overlap between the two categories!

There might also be differences between British and American uses of the word - any other Brits care to say if they agree with my definition or not?
I'm with you, brother. A geek is an academic achiever, a nerd is someone who is into something that is not widely socially accepted.

Edit: So, geek = brainiac, boffin; whilst nerd = loser. That comes out harsh in brit speak but that is the distinction. I would call myself a nerd by the way, not one that's a shrinking violet either.
Glad to hear I'm not the only one in Britain who thinks this way!
 

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This seems fitting and fairly accurately depicts my opinion on the subject
 

kurupt87

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Jodah said:

This seems fitting and fairly accurately depicts my opinion on the subject
Huh, so it got reversed when crossing the pond?

Anyway, over here I'd classify a dork as someone who is, specifically, socially awkward. Someone that exhibits all the worst traits of a geek or nerd but isn't that smart (geek) or that interesting (nerd).
 

Aidinthel

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kurupt87 said:
Huh, so it got reversed when crossing the pond?
Apparently. I'm an American and that comic matches my definitions.

Though I would agree with your definition of "dork", so that works out pretty well.
 

SageRuffin

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Jodah said:
Image snippage.

This seems fitting and fairly accurately depicts my opinion on the subject
To note, the panel said nothing of the term "dork" (save the scientific definition, and only that was a passing mention), for better or for worse.
 

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SageRuffin said:
Transformers porn (don't ask)
It's been done. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgyMBbJvoqo] (don't worry, it's a comedy clip ;))

But yeah, I consider geeks to be people who are really into a non-mainstream hobby (cosplay video games etc), while nerds are into things most people wouldn't consider to be fun at all, mostly academic stuff (maths, science etc)
 

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FireAza said:
SageRuffin said:
Transformers porn (don't ask)
It's been done. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgyMBbJvoqo] (don't worry, it's a comedy clip ;))

But yeah, I consider geeks to be people who are really into a non-mainstream hobby (cosplay video games etc), while nerds are into things most people wouldn't consider to be fun at all, mostly academic stuff (maths, science etc)
I...but...wha...I DON'T EVEN KNOW! I mean I understand rule 34 but seriously?
 

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I always saw nerd as more of a bookish and analog while geeks to be more technology inclined. So things like TCG are more nerdy while anime is more geeky. Of course both overlap quite often.
 

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i always thought geeks liked anime and manga more while nerds liked comics and cartoons
more geeks like sci-fi more -nerds like fantasy more
 

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kurupt87 said:
Jodah said:

This seems fitting and fairly accurately depicts my opinion on the subject
Huh, so it got reversed when crossing the pond?

Anyway, over here I'd classify a dork as someone who is, specifically, socially awkward. Someone that exhibits all the worst traits of a geek or nerd but isn't that smart (geek) or that interesting (nerd).
That's what I thought...

But I always classify nerds as someone who loves something very dearly, like LotR and say how awesome it is.

While geeks as someone who would dress as a LotR character like Gimli or Aragorn.
 

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Geeks: pop culture aficionados
Nerds: a person who is socially outcast because of their intellect [IRsPheErBj8]
What the OP described as a nerd: a weeaboo
Geeks rule.