Gene Simmons Declares War on Anonymous

[NickCooley]

I'm not overly fond of either side but Anonymous is certainly the lesser of two evils, Gene's statement alone makes me root Anonymous. Unwarranted sense of self importance if I ever saw one, guy needs to take his ego down a notch or 20.

I think I'm gonna go download some KISS albums, pointless but maybe a little satisfying.

 

[Zakarath]

He's a dick for saying that he wants people to lose their homes, lose their lives and put them in jail for downloading a song that's worth $0.99

It's funny because if a song of his is being pirated, and it hypothetically gets downloaded 100000 times, he loses 99000 bucks.

Keep in mind that 1 download != 1 lost sale.

 

[hem dazon 90]

Oh we are sooo scared of the aging rock star!


lol prepare for a backraid anons.

 

[zero_blahs]

I'm not overly fond of either side but Anonymous is certainly the lesser of two evils, Gene's statement alone makes me root Anonymous. Unwarranted sense of self importance if I ever saw one, guy needs to take his ego down a notch or 20.

I think I'm gonna go download some KISS albums, pointless but maybe a little satisfying.

didnt anon bully some 13 year old kid with death threats and stuff? but oh gene is the greater evil for saying he wanted to ruin the lives of people who pirated music(even though we all know he was prolly just trying to scare pirates.)

 

[DarthFennec]

I'm all for free art, the concept of paying for sound seems pretty odd to me but the idea that they are "money grubbing" because they want to make money is so irritating. These people created something that you enjoy, it's just as easy to call somebody "greedy" if they choose to download something for free. There's two sides to every story, sadly this is something that's hard to see when your filled with teenage angst.

Pardon the misunderstanding, in that case. I was specifically talking about the RIAA and the record labels when I said `money grubbing.' I would never suggest that musicians do not deserve payment from their fans and listeners. On the contrary, I think the artists deserve more money than they currently get. The thing is, the RIAA and the labels are taking most of the money we spend on music, and very little payment actually gets to the artists. We could easily be buying CDs for a third of what we pay now, and the artists would be getting ten to twenty times the salary they get now, or even more than that, and the labels would still be profiting. Hell, with the internet nowadays we almost don't even need labels anymore. That's even less money out of our pockets, and even more money in the pockets of the artists. Also, I'm barely a teenager anymore, I think all the angst is gone by now lol

 

[NickCooley]

I'm not overly fond of either side but Anonymous is certainly the lesser of two evils, Gene's statement alone makes me root Anonymous. Unwarranted sense of self importance if I ever saw one, guy needs to take his ego down a notch or 20.

I think I'm gonna go download some KISS albums, pointless but maybe a little satisfying.

didnt anon bully some 13 year old kid with death threats and stuff? but oh gene is the greater evil for saying he wanted to ruin the lives of people who pirated music(even though we all know he was prolly just trying to scare pirates.)

Hmm, cyber bullying a few individuals vs calling on "artists" to sue every pirate for everything they have and ever will own and having them jailed with a cellmate who wants to rape them (No I'm not exaggerating it's in the article). Yeah I'm sticking with what I said, lesser of two evils. Even if he wasn't serious the fact he's so up his own ass to make such comments in the first place makes me want to side with whoever is pissing him off.

EDIT: Also you'll have to do better than "some 13 year old" to tug at my conscience.

 

[SelectivelyEvil13]

This was something posted on 4chan about the topic, "We are not our IPs. We are not our Computers. We are not our fucking porn folders.
We are not real consumers, and we never watch commercials. We don't want to be rock gods, and movie stars because we know what shallow hollow fucked lives they truly have.
We do have a great depression. We do have a great war. It is the information war and our fight is the fight of trying to get the corporations dicks out of our ears. We want to get the movie business balls out of our eyes and not cringe when we see a ridiculous price tag for something that should be free.
Our enemies are people who live abnormal lifestyles due to the abnormal paychecks they receive for something they love. Loving art should not be condemnable, and rebellion has pushed history forward. Sometimes in darkness, sometimes in light, but whenever it's in the name of knowledge, it can never be toward the dark.
So fuck you Tyler Durden, Fuck you that guy from kiss with the tongue, fuck you MPA, fuck you labels, fuck you studios.
You do NOT have the right to fuck up lives because they wanted music and art. You do NOT have the right to fuck up lives because they did something when they didn't disagree, instead of just whining and being raped.
You CANNOT fuck up people when they DO NO HARM except delay your deluxe swimming pool filled with jello and sharks with lazers a few more months.
WHAT YOU DO, IS NOT WORTH WHAT YOU MAKE.
Michelangelo wasn't wealthy. Beethoven was poor. Mozart was poor. Leo Da Vinci was rich by birth not by his art.Most artists lived in poverty and they were gods who shaped the world.
YOU ARE NONE OF THESE YET YOU EXPECT TO LIVE BETTER THAN THEM.
We are not anon, because you know us. We're your fucking FANS. And we don't take kindly to your kind."

and i believe it 100%, gene Simmons cant win, even with the FBI with him he cant stop piracy only hinder it. this makes me proud to be anonymous

"stands..." "claps" kinda made me crap with joy not gunna lie...i applaude you good sir

*also rises and begins to clap*
Yes, fuck yes, this all this, every single scrap of this, personally I think someone needs to teach these million dollar an hour making rich fucks a god damn lesson in humility. I officially like Anon in this fight.

Here, here!

I think anyone interested in this subject may want to see this thread on Kanye West replacing his teeth with diamonds. Seriously, that made me advocate for the pirates a little bit inside. But regarding Gene Simmons, I feel that he has been diluted by avarice and this convoluted sense of entitlement that anyone in the limelight of Hollywood claims. This translates into a perpetual slope of greed where many, like Simmons, feel that for stealing a cookie out of the jar, one should have one's hand severed. I think we can all agree many of these celebrities have engaged in their own illicit activities. Who wants to bet that Gene Simmons has done his fair share of illegal activities? Well if a 99 cent song is worth damning someone who downloads music illegally, perhaps that line of coke back in '92 should warrant the death penalty?

The fallacy is not only that our system of justice is not based on indiscriminately condemning those who transgress the law through shock and awe, but these same individuals casting stones boulders cannot truly claim to adhere 100% to the law. No speeding. No public drunkenness. No illegal substance abuse. No, these perfect souls do none of that ever. Even more specious is that many of those who reproach illegal music downloaders actually claim to be above the law or denounce the law through their own music! How are we to take these stance by alleged artists as valid when they promote a punitive legal system that contradicts with the very foundation of the United States so long as it suits their monetary desires. I reiterate the point that if any average American is to be subjected to unsuitable and ruinous litigation for menial crimes, then those like Simmons should reconsider their own past sins and apply the same distorted logic. If that illegal download is worth raping an individual's existence, then what say these celebrities when it comes to their drunken antics or intoxicated driving, illegal narcotics, prostitution scandals, spousal or similar forms of interpersonal abuse, shoplifts, and assaults?

 

[Zakarath]

I'd say that I'm on Anon's side in this. File sharing is a part of the information age. It will not be stopped, and while its true that piracy certainly cuts into the profit margins of the entertainment industry, if you can get fans who want to support you, they will buy your product. Piracy and file sharing can be adapted around. There will be those who will pirate, and no matter how hard you pursue them, you will only drive them farther away from buying your product.
Being a mostly broke college student myself, I can sympathize with fellow students who download music because they can't afford to buy it and still want to enjoy it.
I CANNOT sympathize with those who would seek to completely ruin said fellow student's lives with hundreds of thousands of dollars of fines for minor transgressions. "Take their houses, their cars, and send them to prison"?! FUCK YOU Gene Simmons.

 

[Zakarath]

He's a dick for saying that he wants people to lose their homes, lose their lives and put them in jail for downloading a song that's worth $0.99

It's funny because if a song of his is being pirated, and it hypothetically gets downloaded 100000 times, he loses 99000 bucks.

Keep in mind that 1 download != 1 lost sale.

I would have to disagree. The only reason I bought 3 seasons of dexter is because I watched the first few episodes by downloading them for free. It's just a preview for me, but I understand that it's not the same way for most people.
Oh wait, you were being clever weren't you? Ok carry on then.

Yeah, "!=" means does not equal... though I suppose I could say it more clearly.

 

[zero_blahs]

I'm not overly fond of either side but Anonymous is certainly the lesser of two evils, Gene's statement alone makes me root Anonymous. Unwarranted sense of self importance if I ever saw one, guy needs to take his ego down a notch or 20.

I think I'm gonna go download some KISS albums, pointless but maybe a little satisfying.

didnt anon bully some 13 year old kid with death threats and stuff? but oh gene is the greater evil for saying he wanted to ruin the lives of people who pirated music(even though we all know he was prolly just trying to scare pirates.)

Hmm, cyber bullying a few individuals vs calling on "artists" to sue every pirate for everything they have and ever will own and having them jailed with a cellmate who wants to rape them (No I'm not exaggerating it's in the article). Yeah I'm sticking with what I said, lesser of two evils. Even if he wasn't serious the fact he's so up his own ass to make such comments in the first place makes me want to side with whoever is pissing him off.

EDIT: Also you'll have to do better than "some 13 year old" to tug at my conscience.

I was actually asking a question not trying to pull at your conscience and I would have to go with telling a 13 year old kid(no matter how annoying they are still kids) you'll kill him and his family and calling his house over a scare tactic from gene which i believe it is. (and again i do not know if this is true but I do remeber hearing about them doing this awhile back not sure where anyone care to shed some light?)

 

[lizards]

GO GENE GO GENE GO GENE YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

you have my full support even if it is a little gay

 

[Lord_Panzer]

I'm rooting for Anon because really we are all anons, I mean how many of you ladies are willing to post information so we can meet and greet?

"Clever girl fellow."

 

[Obsidian Rocker]

Some old has-been VS Anon? This ought to be interesting

On the subject of piracy, all these anti-piracy ads, THAT CANNOT BE SKIPPED, on DVD's make me want to pirate my movies so I don't have to be forced to sit through it every single time

 

[Char-Nobyl]

Oh, please. Simmons can't hope to come out on top of this. He might as well be Sarah Palin preaching abstinence-only education with her knocked-up teen daughter: his son put out a comic that might as well have been photocopied from a dozen different series, and Simmons was (of course) preaching about how plagiarism and copyright infringement are okay as long as it's his son doing it.

 

[Dumori]

Though Some of Anon's work has been for good other for evil. Anon is more or less the god damn human race. It's not the same people all the time though I guess some hardcore people are involved in nearly every "raid". It's more people who give a shit about X cause using the Anon name as a rallying point. With Anon lacking any real structure or tangible/traceable links.

Their cyber crime/vandalism is hard to stop the internet by it's very nature is close-nit with worrd of mouth propelling most things on it. Guys get a grip it's never terrorism; it's not like they are taking down stock markets or crashing the internet in nation/conitent wide chunks.

Do I think their means are somtimes dumb yes. Do I think that the points they do things for are wrong not all the time. I know of people who spend their jobs fighting cybercrime only to then help out with Anon events.

As for making an example of people it has been done before it hasn't worked very well. As well with millions out there and courts getting a bit wise to inane compensation claims it's not going to really pick up pace and if it did it would be small time fines. Will in comperisan to the inanity of $2,000,000 fines.

 

[Char-Nobyl]

Ooh, and for extra-bonus hilarity: way to open up your campaign with, "America: I'm going to have your children sued and prison-raped if they disagree with me on the internet."

Riiiiight. Any chance that facepaint was lead-based?

 

[Char-Nobyl]

didnt anon bully some 13 year old kid with death threats and stuff? but oh gene is the greater evil for saying he wanted to ruin the lives of people who pirated music(even though we all know he was prolly just trying to scare pirates.)

Right...because who cares if he vocally announced he wants everyone who has downloaded music to be sued and raped? Who are we to judge him by his words and actions?

Oh, wait. Sorry about that. We're well within our right to do that.

I was actually asking a question not trying to pull at your conscience and I would have to go with telling a 13 year old kid(no matter how annoying they are still kids) you'll kill him and his family and calling his house over a scare tactic from gene which i believe it is. (and again i do not know if this is true but I do remeber hearing about them doing this awhile back not sure where anyone care to shed some light?)

Dunno. Check ED. He's probably got an article. And you'll know that people who get big articles on ED and garner extended attention from anon generally deserve it.