Lionsfan said:
emeraldrafael said:
Lionsfan said:
Probably if she could successfully argue as to why Niklas Lidstrom is tied for the best defensemen of all time and said that Cindy Crosby sucks
Now now, dont be hatin just cause hes the best there is at the moment.
I think Datsyuk is hands down a better player, the problem if you can even call it a problem is that he passes too much and isn't selfish enough to score 50 goals a season, and also is on a team with Zetterberg, Franzen, and Lidstrom (among others).
Second: 2009 WAS OUR CUP DAMNIT!!!!
if the cup was the wings, they would have won. They were beaten, clearly the belongs to the Penguins.
And Crosby has only ever scored 50+ goals in one season. he's usually in the 30s in Goals, and anywhere from 70s-80s in assists. he elevates those around him. Like a GREAT players should.
Also, Sid does pass. he also shoots, roleplays, and occasionally goes on the defensive. he's an all purpose, all around her. its not his fault that he is the STAR and CENTER and FRANCHISE of the team. I guess Gretzky was also a bad player, considering all those goals he got to get him that record. How selfish.
And really, when you have that... and I use this word loosely, "talent" surrounding you, that doesnt make you a great player, just means you're on a good team. Oh, Pavel's a good player. I'd certainly put him on my team if i designed one, but he'd play a lesser role and mostly be there for the experience. What do the pens have honestly? Malkin? He's in decline, has been for a while. Staal? He's not meant to be a high scorer. He's a big body, a physical guy, and the guy you center for your star to assist. there's nothing really on the penguins team that sets them above anything without Crosby. without him, they're just another regular team with some really good talent, but nothing particularly special (outside of when Malkin decides to step his game up). Sid can, and does, do it all. And he's young. Put him on pace for how he constantly gets better each and every season, addressing his faults, and he'll be outpacing Gretzky in the same time span, and in a much tougher to score against league.
Also, just pulling some numbers out and looking at stats, Pavel's most point total was 97, which he did twice in a row for two seasons. with 31-66 in 81 games in 07-08, and 32-65 in 82 in 08-09.
In every season Crosby's played a respectable number of games (not like last season, or the 07-08 season where he played 53), he's outscored Pavel with an average of 100+ points. In fact, in his highest scoring season, Crosby went 36-84 for 120 in 06-07, which far exceeds pavel's goals/assists best.
And if thats not enough, lets look at this:
Pavel's Regular season totals:
Games 662
Goals 221
Assists 430
Points 651
And his Post season totals:
Ga 121
Go 32
As 59
Po 91
Crosby's regular Season totals:
Ga 412
Go 215
As 357
Po 572
And his post Season totals:
Ga 62
Go 30
As 52
Po 82
Assuming Crosby keeps playing, and at his pace, he'll far exceed that pathetic old man Pavel, and in half the time.