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Since the other thread has been mostly talking about supposed voter fraud I decided to make a separate thread about the Georgia runoffs

Whoever controls Congress depends on what happens in Georgia.

Here the first debate and it certainly was something...


Edit: also this one man debate

 
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My prediction; 1 seat going blue, 1 seat going red, resulting in a grid-lock government for until at least 2022.
 
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My only desire here is that Warnock wins.
Edit: also, god that debate is bleak.
 

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It'd be very surprising that Dem win both seats, especially since dem voter tend to show up less in election that don't feature a president/aren't national. My money is on split or even both rep.

Biden will have to avoid the senate whenever he need something done, on one hand that suck but on the other Trump showed just how far you can ignore norm and even rule so Biden will be able to get a quite a bit done. Even appointment that are supposed to go trough the senate can apparently be done without so long as you slap a "temporary" tag next to them.
 

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My prediction; 1 seat going blue, 1 seat going red, resulting in a grid-lock government for until at least 2022.
If that happens then all the Dems need to do is convinced one Republican to vote with them. not sure how hard that would be though.

It'd be very surprising that Dem win both seats, especially since dem voter tend to show up less in election that don't feature a president/aren't national. My money is on split or even both rep.
Keep in mind that all eyes are on Georgia right now with the state turning Blue and it deciding who controls the Senate. I could see more Democrats than usual voting, there's also that boycott from the Republicans because trump didn't win but that's probably not going to matter, seems like all talk.

It most likely won't happen but I would laugh if the Dems got both Senate seats. There would be so karmic considering the messed up stuff that happened in Georgia during the 2018 midterms.
 

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If that happens then all the Dems need to do is convinced one Republican to vote with them. not sure how hard that would be though.
Looking at it that way, it might be easier to convince two republicans then. Easier to betray your party line if you can go "Well, what about XYZ who also voted, huh!".
 

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
My prediction; 1 seat going blue, 1 seat going red, resulting in a grid-lock government for until at least 2022.
Actually that would be less gridlocked then we are now since the vice president is the deciding vote in the senate and turtle mitch's whole tactic is not only not passing legislation but also not even bringing legislation up for a vote. I don't think he could still do that if there is no majority.
 

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Actually that would be less gridlocked then we are now since the vice president is the deciding vote in the senate and turtle mitch's whole tactic is not only not passing legislation but also not even bringing legislation up for a vote. I don't think he could still do that if there is no majority.
It's currently 46+2 Independence that always side with the Democrats 50 Republicans seats. Republicans have the majority no matter what happens because of the independence. To do anything in the Senate we need both remaining seats to make it 48+2 dems independence and 50 rep
 

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It's currently 46+2 Independence that always side with the Democrats 50 Republicans seats. Republicans have the majority no matter what happens because of the independence. To do anything in the Senate we need both remaining seats to make it 48+2 dems independence and 50 rep
Oh yeah, I knew I should have double checked numbers. I thought it was fewer republican seats. My bad, yeah dems have to win both seats or the turtle can just sit on everything again.
 

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I really hope Warnock wins. Ossof I could take or leave, though to our knowledge he's nowhere as corrupt and incompetent as Perdue. Yeah, yeah, super low bar, I know. American democracy is an exercise in lowering expectations.
 

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So for how long did Obama have entire control over Congress? I didn't pay much attention to politics in his first term, since I wasn't old enough to vote. But I keep hearing that he was too compromising even when everything was Democrat. Which might have impacted why we have a divide house today.
 

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So for how long did Obama have entire control over Congress? I didn't pay much attention to politics in his first term, since I wasn't old enough to vote. But I keep hearing that he was too compromising even when everything was Democrat. Which might have impacted why we have a divide house today.
I think it was the first 2 years of both terms. But I may be misremember things.
 

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I think it was the first 2 years of both terms. But I may be misremember things.
So like why didn't he pass much of anything? All I recall from his administration was Osama dead and don't ask don't tell being revoked. He might not have wanted to pass much things since he thought Republicans would come back with vengeance? *shrugs*
 

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I want both to win, but I did assume that the democrats were going to lose both seats, but Republicans are going out, and saying don't vote to their voters. They are undermining themselves, and it's funny AF.
 

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So like why didn't he pass much of anything? All I recall from his administration was Osama dead and don't ask don't tell being revoked. He might not have wanted to pass much things since he thought Republicans would come back with vengeance? *shrugs*
Obama's presidency was torpedoed before he even got his feet wet. The economic recession of the time was met by two very different stimulus packages: the first was a smaller stimulus by the Bush administration that was purely economic in nature. Tax rebates, tax incentives, and changes in housing market regulations. It was a very on-the-nose response to an economic slowdown cause by a housing bubble popping.

The second stimulus came under the Obama administration, though it's unfair to really assign Obama credit or blame for it. The bill itself was crafted by Democrats in the legislature, largely before Obama was even inaugurated, signed less than a month into his first term. That stimulus was not only dramatically larger than the first, it was also designed in a totally different manner. Rather than a direct effort to give people economic reprieve, this stimulus was designed with the Democratic version of trickle-down economics, based on the idea that if the government just spends a ton of money, it will boost the economy and make it's way down to those who need it. What they spent it on supposedly didn't really matter, so it turned into a shameless omnibus package for the Democrats in the legislature (who controlled both houses) to shove anything their hearts desired into. If 7.2 billion dollars to renovate government buildings seems like an odd response to an economic downturn, that's cause it is. Anyway, Obama isn't responsible for that, but when Republicans asked Obama to step in and stop the nonsense, he basically told them to suck it and signed the bill. I don't know that I blame him for that either, it'd be one hell of a thing to tell the party that elected him not to pass bills they had every right too. But that was the beginning of the no-compromise Democrats.

I'm sure some will read that and think "the Democrats are always compromising to pass centrist things when they say they want really progressive policy". They don't want really progressive policy. It's all lipservice. They pass what they want to whenever they have the power to do so. And they've discovered that if they just constantly refuse to compromise, people will blame Republicans for being the obstructionist party, so it's a win-win situation politically for them. Of course, it's a terrible situation for the country, because now it's either single party rule or nothing gets done.

And all of this is very relevant to this thread, because that's what hinges on these Georgia elections. If Democrats win both, they're going to do whatever the hell they want. It will even be in a stimulus bill just like last time. But it won't be what you want them to want. It will be what they want. Which will conveniently enough look like what you think Republicans want, which they'll blame the Republicans for forcing them to pass, even though they had all the power and did whatever they wanted without needing a Republican to vote for it at all. See Obamacare for more details.
 
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So like why didn't he pass much of anything? All I recall from his administration was Osama dead and don't ask don't tell being revoked. He might not have wanted to pass much things since he thought Republicans would come back with vengeance? *shrugs*
Because he ran on snappy leftist slogans and lies. His politics were basically Clinton's in a shiny new wrapper. So the answer is "because he didn't want to"

The people that enthusiastically supported him got burned.

Plus the normal right-wing backlash.
 

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If both seat flip cause republican are boycotting the election I think would
So like why didn't he pass much of anything? All I recall from his administration was Osama dead and don't ask don't tell being revoked. He might not have wanted to pass much things since he thought Republicans would come back with vengeance? *shrugs*
He wanted to avoid polarizing his legislature so that they might survive once the dem lost control of the government. With hindsight that was a catastrophicly bad move and he should have use his full power, but the hyper partisan politic and no compromise attitude of the republican was still pretty new back then. It might be strange to think about now but not too long ago it wasn't unusual for congressman and senate to cross party line.
 

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So for how long did Obama have entire control over Congress? I didn't pay much attention to politics in his first term, since I wasn't old enough to vote. But I keep hearing that he was too compromising even when everything was Democrat. Which might have impacted why we have a divide house today.
Democrats had a filibuster-proof majority for 72 working days. Keep in mind, this was prior to the filibuster being effectively neutered by later Congresses.

 
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