Georgia senate elections
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You haven't done that. You haven't even attempted to do that. You tried to "gotcha!" me because my description of conservatism was apparently too appealing to you to not be socialism, you went on an unprovoked diatribe basically saying that any economy that isn't socialism is fealty to corporatism, and after that it's been just a stream of "man, you're so wrong [fart noises]". Neither of you are making any attempt to converse, you're just having fun being hateful.
A) Lee Atwater isn't evidence of anything. Read that whole interview. He wasn't around for the so-called southern strategy by his own description, and the point he was trying to make was that they didn't do that anymore. The fact that a career sleaze trying to advantage himself by maligning his predecessors (basically "yeah those guys you wouldn't vote for anymore suck, we agree with you, that's why you should vote for us now") is the only evidence you have of such a thing should signal to you how baseless the claim is.Southern Strategy (explicit language)
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B) Trump's gotten Arab nations to sign peace treaties with Israel. The idea that putting the embassy in Jerusalem would promote more perpetual conflict in the Middle East was always a stupid notion, but with hindsight I can't believe you're making that claim. We're closer to peace between Israel and the rest of the Middle East than we have been in decades.
C) What is your point? Reagan was famously a Democrat before "the party left him". He had different ideas and beliefs from different places. As much as he may have admired Calvin Coolidge, Reagan was not Calvin Coolidge. It has been a long, long time since America has had a purely conservative President. That some conservatives held neo-liberal ideas does not make them the same thing, and I don't think any Republican embraced neo-liberal ideas as much as Bill Clinton did.
You're trying to ball neoliberalism and conservatism into one thing, but that's just going to make it so you can't properly assess either.
I offered a description of American conservatism, and you're rambling about corporations and Republicans and saying literally nothing about what I said.
And I offered a description of how that would apply to the economy, and you said no, which means you either don't believe in your own definition of American conservatism or that definition is stupid.
Uh-huh. You mentioned trust-busting as if the Republican Party at the time of Teddy Roosevelt represents "American conservatism". And corporations are a very significant center of power in our society. Your definition of "American conservatism", if anything more than hot air, would demand that American conservatives be very anti-capitalist. These are the logical implications of your statements as they collide with reality.
That's the stupidest reading of that statement I've literally ever seen. Dude was advisor to George Bush Sr. That's what modern "conservatives" are: sleaze
Big man, getting peace treaties signed between countries that aren't at war
You're right: both parties in the Untied States espouse insane levels of neo-liberal economics. Point is, Reagan is venerated in the GOP and he wrote the neo-liberal playbook, ran on the southern strategy, and, incidentally, sabotaged the Vietnam peace talks to win his election.
You're arguing for a brand of American Conservatism that hasn't existed for half a century or more
I apologize if you haven't seen me rant about Lee Atwater before. I've done this here probably a dozen times. Allow me to direct quote Atwater in that interview:
"We're the first generation of Southerners that's not been racist."
Tell me again how I'm misreading his statements.
You mean that I mentioned trust-busting as a way for the government to play adversary to large corporations that isn't a socialist economy.
If the Dems somehow win Georgia, I really don't think Joe will even care much about passing the things we want and need. It will probably be more of less the same as Obama, "compromise".
Which, to begin with, is quite beside the point. Smaller corporate hierarchies are still not "housing power as close to the individual as possible". Anyway, how is trustbusting working out? Do you feel satisfied that it has been successful in "housing power as close to the individual as possible"?
I do not feel satisfied in that regard. I think the government has been overly lax in their allowances for corporate interference in the market for quite a while. I certainly have my complaints about the status quo, even within the Republican Party. A Coolidge conservative was pro-business because they were pro-consumer, where their opposition was pro-labor, and I think both sides of that argument have lost their way and care more about hating business or hating government than they do about supporting anything. But like, no amount of complaints from me over the inadequacy of current governance is ever going to make me think the solution is the complete dissolution of modern society.
Like, you might note, I didn't say to house power as close to the individual "as possible" as you wrote here. I wrote as close "as feasible". Which is quite a different thing. If I want as close as possible, you could certainly imagine a society where everyone has their own little subsistence farm where they have absolute power over and responsibility for their own existence. But that's not feasible, ever without considering mechanisms for enforcing the peace, the drop in quality of life to do that would be wholly unacceptable. Individual agency is not an absolute that needs to be prioritized over all other considerations. Frankly, nothing is an absolute that needs to be prioritized over all other considerations. You imagine a world where individuals don't own any more of any business than what they personally operate, and I can understand how that seems like a preferable option in a vacuum, but there are downsides you should be considering before advocating for something.
Meh if I'm punishing myself physically might as well go all out. Besides not like I'm pretending there's any actual chance of a discussion here. It's the people actually trying I worry about.
There's a society in Asimov's Foundation/ Robot universe in which the people are so individualistic they consider any contact with others to be an infringement. Every estate has only one individual; they've developed robots so that other humans aren't necessary to keep the household going, and they've developed hermaphroditic reproduction so they don't require contact with anyone else to keep the species going.
So, it might be feasible in a few million years! Hold out a bit longer!