Getting raped is like getting a flat tire. Also, it's God's will. Fancy that.

[Char-Nobyl]

Fair point.

My implication was more that because their are so few women in congress, this kind of thinking is allowed to go on unchecked. Not because men can't understand what rape is and how terrible it is, though, I'm going to say that unless someone has been in said situation, they can't exactly understand it. At best, they can empathize. I don't know what it's like to go to war either. I'm not going to be so arrogant as to say that I understand what those soldiers go through simply because I've read up on it and seen movies.

That's different, then. You're not describing women: you're describing rape victims. Most women haven't been raped, either, and roughly ~10% of rape victims are male. By the current train of logic, we don't need more women in Congress: we need more rape victims.

And you are correct, not all men are insensitive assholes like this.

*facepalm* Your wording still makes it sound like you're reluctantly admitting exceptions to the rule.

My point was more along the lines of, if women had as much power as men in lawmaking, perhaps there would be less room for guys like Brent Crane to get up there and spout their nonsense.

The problem isn't that Crane is a man. The problem is that he's an asshole with ideologies to match. The article mentions Sharron Angle, who said that rape/incest victims who don't get abortions are making a, and I quote, "...lemon situation into lemonade." I'm pretty sure that most rape victims don't consider being pregnant post-rape to be a bright side to their situation. And Sarah Palin considers encouraging rape victims to keep their children to be some sort of 'community service.'

My point is that men don't have a monopoly on ignorance on the subject, and Sarah Palin was almost elected to the #2 seat of power in the country. Maybe women have a slightly better chance of naturally empathizing, but it's negligible compared to simply electing someone based on their actual beliefs than their genitals.

 

[Char-Nobyl]

Yeah, figure that. Because, you know, we live in 1933 now. I know that "progress" is a dirty word to republicans, but you do know that it happens, right? Oh, and by the way, why don't we talk of 50 years ago, when you were lynching black people for trying to vote? Didn't you murder one indigenous population and enslave another, too?

See, as a German, I will take shit about genocide and crimes from almost anybody. Americans? Hell no.

See, here's the thing: the Klan wasn't an arm of the military, given high-powered weapons, and even their own tank divisions. Oh, or its own spy network. There was more to the Schutzstaffel than just the Waffen SS.

Eh, it doesn't matter anyway. I was raising the point while actively admitting that it was completely irrelevant except in this case, where you were scoffing at how superintelligentforever you were and how stupid all Americans were. We might as well drop it and move on to actual talking points.

Colbert, Maher, Stewart - they've got more brains in their boogers than all republican pundits and current candidates put together.

Well, duh. Say what you will about the knowledge of the American public, but there's a distinct more people trust John Stewart as a news source than they do most 'traditional' reporters. In truth, they are reporters: they just happen to be reporters who think the news ought to be entertaining, too.

The fact that they're comedians doesn't invalidate what they say -

I know. That's why I used the word "hyperbolic." John Stewart made insinuations that Dick Cheney looked like Blofeld when he appeared in public in a wheelchair with a blanket over his lap (all he needed was a white cat). He didn't actually think that Dick Cheney is a villain from James Bond, but he said it to emphasize how shady the ex-vice president was.

Similarly, you cited a Maher bit where he stated that a barbarous nation is one that still actively debates the issues of God, guns, and gays. Judging by his participation in the political process, support for presidential candidates, etc, somehow I don't think that Bill Maher thinks that America is an actual barbarian state.

you would know that, but "wit" and "GOP" don't really go well together. But hey, keep on praying at the altar of OxyContin.

Interesting conclusion you draw about my political alignment, presumably from the one post I made in response to your own. Out of curiosity, could you cite where I placed myself in line with conservative ideals? And preferably an actual quotation, rather than some sort of smug, "Because you're an idiot America, ergo you are a Republican" line.

See, mate, this just shows how limited your thinking is. I AM a religious person, but I am one in the mold of Kierkegaard, not Fred Phelps. Because I am not from a red state, where religion is basically illiterate bigotry central. I never got why you hate radical Muslims so much, you're basically cousins. My opinion of Christianity? WAY too advanced for republicans. It's why we kicked all those kooky sects out, after all.

When you say 'radical Muslims,' do you mean people who adamantly adhere to conservative Islam, or actual terrorists? The former I can have issue with because governing a nation by a strict interpretation of a religion has pretty much never turned out to be a good idea, and the latter I...well, it's fairly obvious why anyone would have issue with them.

"Moral fibre"? Please, like republicans even know what that is, while sending mercenaries into oil-rich countries to murder civilians.

Yeah, because I specifically did that. Me. I'm the mastermind behind every insidious political machination of the American government for the past several decades. Ignore the fact that I've only been alive for the past two. I obviously used some sort of time machine powered by a fuel obtained by mixing stolen oil with the blood of non-Christians.

Oh, and [/sarcasm], just in case you didn't pick up on it.

You know what actual moral fibre is? Recognising the difference between personal conviction and the rule of law in a democracy, and living with that dichotomy.

...except you chose what is possibly the worst example for that. I've yet to see an argument against abortion cited as "morality based" that doesn't center around abortion being murder of an infant in all but name.

Now, with that in mind, contrast with another Dem/Repub issue: gay marriage. The only argument against gay marriage I've ever heard other than "God condemns it" is a paper-thin argument that says children need a mother and a father for proper development. That falls apart like, ironically, paper in a rainstorm, because quite a bit of research states that kids tend to value their parents for their personalities rather than what they do or don't have swinging between their legs.

As a result, the only argument against it is that it supposedly opposes an obscure tenant of Christianity. While this would normally invalidate any opposition, unfortunately, voting booths don't require voters to explain why they vote for or against something. So rather than countless 'Oppose' votes being thrown out for justifications like "Dudes making out is gross" or "God forbids it," everything gets counted regardless of what inane un-logic the voter used to determine how they would vote.

I got off on a bit of a tangent, but bear with me a moment longer. My point is that gay marriage pretty much has only one valid side in a nation that supposedly keeps religion and state separate, because the only opposition is an arbitrary standard of a religion rather than a predominantly accepted notion. But, if there's a particularly conservative Christian who still holds the separation of church and state in high regard, he/she might look past this and say that even if he/she opposes gay marriage, if the majority allows it, he/she does not have the right to impose religious values on them.

Now, look back to abortion: plenty of people who oppose it are religious and talk about the sanctity of all life, but ultimately, the objection is because they regard abortion as murder. The pro-choice side doesn't advocate for abortion because they think that murdering children is okay: they support it because they don't consider abortion to be murder. That's why John Kerry can be Catholic and still be pro-choice.

So, riddle me this: what 'moral' objection do you have to abortion that either A) doesn't consider it to be murder, but still finds it immoral or B) considers it to be murder, but somehow lets you 'morally' sit back and let it happen?

If you have one that differs, please, tell me. I'd be genuinely interested to hear it.

See, I think Fox News viewers should be castrated; but I know that in a free society, that should not happen.

Oh, come on. The only reason you don't advocate purifying the gene pool of the mentally retarded...is because you love democracy so much?

I hope you appreciate how hard it is not to invoke Godwin's Law when my opponent showed up for the debate wearing a Swastika armband. I pointed to it beforehand to highlight the irony, but let me be clear: being German does not make you a Nazi. Advocating aggressive application of eugenics, on the other hand, at least puts you in the same hemisphere as them.

 

[magnuslion]

Well, for me, this is just another number on my 'List of why humans are stupid'

I find it hilarious that this asshole said that, and evidently didn't bat an eyelash.

Seriously? 'I have a spare tire on my car'? So this guy is comparing driving over a random sharp-object lying on the road, that just happened to be large enough to puncture his tire, with some sexually uncontrolled, morally void fuck-head deliberately HUNTING DOWN women, and raping them? Whatever he's on, should be WAAAAY more illegal than it is, or isn't, whatever the case may be.

Planning ahead for rape shouldn't be necessary in the first place. Even then, 'abortion insurance' is just plain stupid. It won't help the women that got raped to know that she's ngot good insurance, because she JUST GOT RAPED.

I could see carrying around a big-ass pistol and blowing the guys balls off being called 'preparedness', because, if he's got no balls, and is bleeding all over the pavement, you don't have to worry about getting pregnant now, do you?
And if 'Gods will' is getting a woman raped, just so she can have a child grow up to be a singer, then he's on some fucking powerful Psychotropics, because That.Is.Pathetic.

This man should think over what he said, and I should be there to see the look on his face when it hits him what he said, and how completely wrong it could, and is, being interpreted.

I can just imagine the largest, most helpless look of "Oh... Fucknuts" glazing over his eyes.

Also, on a different note, I find it so far above hilarious that they're separating 'rape' and 'incest' so obviously. The term 'Incest' is just people that share blood having sex, while 'Rape' is sex that is IN ANY WAY against the man or woman's will.
Incest can be consensual, Rape cannot. If it's a girls brother or father that raped her, incest is just an addendum, RAPE is what should be the focal point, and RAPISTS in general deserve to be shot in the face.

I apologize in advance if my views offend anyone, they tend to be a bit radical for most tastes.

I prostrate myself for you. I think what you said is just AMAZING.

Thank you very much, I appreciate it.

I hope both of you are brought to task for every person you have ever hurt, ever.

Pardon? For the record, I don't hurt people often, and when I do, it's always in self defense. ALWAYS.

I've lived through people threatening my family, friends, and my own life, several times.
I've been almost completely ostracized for most of my life.

I've also nearly had my left eye destroyed TWICE, by two different people, who though it would be funny to try and get me to cry in public. It didn't work, by the way, though I've got permanent scar tissue over my eye now.

My thoughts and opinions of and about people have been formed over the years by seeing people, myself included, GET HURT.

I won't say my life has been the worst, matter of fact, compared to many, it's been really easy, however, being 'brought to task' for my hurting people won't come about until I actually HURT SOMEONE intentionally, and with either outright, or implied malice. So take your uninformed, negative opinion, and go fuck yourself with it.

I am sure that you are perfect. that you have never hurt anyone, never done wrong. and I touched a nerve. You didn't like it, did you? The idea you might be called to account for every wrong you have ever committed.

 

[magnuslion]

Well, this makes me both ashamed to be from Kansas and proud to be aloof to God.

The actions of people =/= God's will. if you had ever read and understood the bible, you would know that.

True, I have never read the bible but I do believe I have a fairly decent understanding of it. My dad's a pastor, I go to Sunday school and church, etc and yeah, you can't blame Christians for everything. However, every once in a while I took a look at my surroundings, see the stupid things people do, how they twist God's teachings to their own desires and just say "Fuck that shit". If nothing else, I would at least admit that I do what I do for my own reasons and not because of God.

what people do in the name of God, is most often not Godley. I am not attempting to defend the church, but God himself. I am a Messianic Jew, and I frankly could not care less about the church, just like I could not care less about my people continuing on with their synagagouges and old testament rituals. I agree that a lot of people use the God excuse, or the Bible excuse, for their crappy choices and actions, or to conceal the hate in their hearts, I am just saying, do not blame God for that.

 

[Darius Brogan]

Well, for me, this is just another number on my 'List of why humans are stupid'

I find it hilarious that this asshole said that, and evidently didn't bat an eyelash.

Seriously? 'I have a spare tire on my car'? So this guy is comparing driving over a random sharp-object lying on the road, that just happened to be large enough to puncture his tire, with some sexually uncontrolled, morally void fuck-head deliberately HUNTING DOWN women, and raping them? Whatever he's on, should be WAAAAY more illegal than it is, or isn't, whatever the case may be.

Planning ahead for rape shouldn't be necessary in the first place. Even then, 'abortion insurance' is just plain stupid. It won't help the women that got raped to know that she's ngot good insurance, because she JUST GOT RAPED.

I could see carrying around a big-ass pistol and blowing the guys balls off being called 'preparedness', because, if he's got no balls, and is bleeding all over the pavement, you don't have to worry about getting pregnant now, do you?
And if 'Gods will' is getting a woman raped, just so she can have a child grow up to be a singer, then he's on some fucking powerful Psychotropics, because That.Is.Pathetic.

This man should think over what he said, and I should be there to see the look on his face when it hits him what he said, and how completely wrong it could, and is, being interpreted.

I can just imagine the largest, most helpless look of "Oh... Fucknuts" glazing over his eyes.

Also, on a different note, I find it so far above hilarious that they're separating 'rape' and 'incest' so obviously. The term 'Incest' is just people that share blood having sex, while 'Rape' is sex that is IN ANY WAY against the man or woman's will.
Incest can be consensual, Rape cannot. If it's a girls brother or father that raped her, incest is just an addendum, RAPE is what should be the focal point, and RAPISTS in general deserve to be shot in the face.

I apologize in advance if my views offend anyone, they tend to be a bit radical for most tastes.

I prostrate myself for you. I think what you said is just AMAZING.

Thank you very much, I appreciate it.

I hope both of you are brought to task for every person you have ever hurt, ever.

Pardon? For the record, I don't hurt people often, and when I do, it's always in self defense. ALWAYS.

I've lived through people threatening my family, friends, and my own life, several times.
I've been almost completely ostracized for most of my life.

I've also nearly had my left eye destroyed TWICE, by two different people, who though it would be funny to try and get me to cry in public. It didn't work, by the way, though I've got permanent scar tissue over my eye now.

My thoughts and opinions of and about people have been formed over the years by seeing people, myself included, GET HURT.

I won't say my life has been the worst, matter of fact, compared to many, it's been really easy, however, being 'brought to task' for my hurting people won't come about until I actually HURT SOMEONE intentionally, and with either outright, or implied malice. So take your uninformed, negative opinion, and go fuck yourself with it.

I am sure that you are perfect. that you have never hurt anyone, never done wrong. and I touched a nerve. You didn't like it, did you? The idea you might be called to account for every wrong you have ever committed.

Uh, you'd have to deliberately hurt people for that to happen and, while I'm not perfect, and won't say I've NEVER hurt anybody, even accidentally, I'm evidently better than you, because you seem to think that I DO deliberately hurt people. I don't.

If you had read my previous post and absorbed any real information from it, I know INTIMATELY what it feels like to be on the receiving end of an asshole trying to hurt me.

Accountability for a wrong never committed, is barely accountability at all. Yes, I've hurt people, NO it hasn't been deliberate. In fact, the worst I can remember EVER doing is thus: Recently, I sharpened my brothers Knives, I'm very good at it, he got momentarily distracted and cut his finger rather severely. No Stitches, but it was bleeding quite a lot.THAT'S the WORST.

What about you? oh saintly one? Ever accidentally step on a foot? say the wrong word? Knock a coconut out of a tree that broke somebodies glass of Cuervo?

If not, you must be God, because it's not physically possible to go through this world without hurting SOMEONE, and God is the only being that can evidently bend the laws of reality.

Step on a nerve? I'll say so. What you said was the equivalent of telling a Father he just punted his eight year old son across the yard, when he was aiming for a soccer ball.
I'm not perfect, nobody is, but Do Not Ever assume that everybody on earth deliberately sets out in the morning looking to hurt someone. I know EXACTLY what happens to people when they deliberately hurt others for their own amusement, because I've been on the receiving end.
Did ANYTHING in my first post allude to my love of hurting people? I don't think so, in fact, if I remember correctly, it was more watching the look on the guy's face when he realized how backwards what he said could be taken.
That's not hurting someone, that's watching the realization of a colossal mistake. They're very different in term, and in definition.

So go take your self righteous bullshit elsewhere, you're infecting the internet.

EDIT: Also please note 'until I actually HURT SOMEONE intentionally, and with either outright, or implied malice.' I stated intentionally, with malice. Yeah, I've hurt people in self defense, physically and verbally, as well as accidentally. Malice was never an issue.

 

[magnuslion]

Well, for me, this is just another number on my 'List of why humans are stupid'

I find it hilarious that this asshole said that, and evidently didn't bat an eyelash.

Seriously? 'I have a spare tire on my car'? So this guy is comparing driving over a random sharp-object lying on the road, that just happened to be large enough to puncture his tire, with some sexually uncontrolled, morally void fuck-head deliberately HUNTING DOWN women, and raping them? Whatever he's on, should be WAAAAY more illegal than it is, or isn't, whatever the case may be.

Planning ahead for rape shouldn't be necessary in the first place. Even then, 'abortion insurance' is just plain stupid. It won't help the women that got raped to know that she's ngot good insurance, because she JUST GOT RAPED.

I could see carrying around a big-ass pistol and blowing the guys balls off being called 'preparedness', because, if he's got no balls, and is bleeding all over the pavement, you don't have to worry about getting pregnant now, do you?
And if 'Gods will' is getting a woman raped, just so she can have a child grow up to be a singer, then he's on some fucking powerful Psychotropics, because That.Is.Pathetic.

This man should think over what he said, and I should be there to see the look on his face when it hits him what he said, and how completely wrong it could, and is, being interpreted.

I can just imagine the largest, most helpless look of "Oh... Fucknuts" glazing over his eyes.

Also, on a different note, I find it so far above hilarious that they're separating 'rape' and 'incest' so obviously. The term 'Incest' is just people that share blood having sex, while 'Rape' is sex that is IN ANY WAY against the man or woman's will.
Incest can be consensual, Rape cannot. If it's a girls brother or father that raped her, incest is just an addendum, RAPE is what should be the focal point, and RAPISTS in general deserve to be shot in the face.

I apologize in advance if my views offend anyone, they tend to be a bit radical for most tastes.

I prostrate myself for you. I think what you said is just AMAZING.

Thank you very much, I appreciate it.

I hope both of you are brought to task for every person you have ever hurt, ever.

Pardon? For the record, I don't hurt people often, and when I do, it's always in self defense. ALWAYS.

I've lived through people threatening my family, friends, and my own life, several times.
I've been almost completely ostracized for most of my life.

I've also nearly had my left eye destroyed TWICE, by two different people, who though it would be funny to try and get me to cry in public. It didn't work, by the way, though I've got permanent scar tissue over my eye now.

My thoughts and opinions of and about people have been formed over the years by seeing people, myself included, GET HURT.

I won't say my life has been the worst, matter of fact, compared to many, it's been really easy, however, being 'brought to task' for my hurting people won't come about until I actually HURT SOMEONE intentionally, and with either outright, or implied malice. So take your uninformed, negative opinion, and go fuck yourself with it.

I am sure that you are perfect. that you have never hurt anyone, never done wrong. and I touched a nerve. You didn't like it, did you? The idea you might be called to account for every wrong you have ever committed.

Uh, you'd have to deliberately hurt people for that to happen and, while I'm not perfect, and won't say I've NEVER hurt anybody, even accidentally, I'm evidently better than you, because you seem to think that I DO deliberately hurt people. I don't.

If you had read my previous post and absorbed any real information from it, I know INTIMATELY what it feels like to be on the receiving end of an asshole trying to hurt me.

Accountability for a wrong never committed, is barely accountability at all. Yes, I've hurt people, NO it hasn't been deliberate. In fact, the worst I can remember EVER doing is thus: Recently, I sharpened my brothers Knives, I'm very good at it, he got momentarily distracted and cut his finger rather severely. No Stitches, but it was bleeding quite a lot.THAT'S the WORST.

What about you? oh saintly one? Ever accidentally step on a foot? say the wrong word? Knock a coconut out of a tree that broke somebodies glass of Cuervo?

If not, you must be God, because it's not physically possible to go through this world without hurting SOMEONE, and God is the only being that can evidently bend the laws of reality.

Step on a nerve? I'll say so. What you said was the equivalent of telling a Father he just punted his eight year old son across the yard, when he was aiming for a soccer ball.
I'm not perfect, nobody is, but Do Not Ever assume that everybody on earth deliberately sets out in the morning looking to hurt someone. I know EXACTLY what happens to people when they deliberately hurt others for their own amusement, because I've been on the receiving end.
Did ANYTHING in my first post allude to my love of hurting people? I don't think so, in fact, if I remember correctly, it was more watching the look on the guy's face when he realized how backwards what he said could be taken.
That's not hurting someone, that's watching the realization of a colossal mistake. They're very different in term, and in definition.

So go take your self righteous bullshit elsewhere, you're infecting the internet.

EDIT: Also please note 'until I actually HURT SOMEONE intentionally, and with either outright, or implied malice.' I stated intentionally, with malice. Yeah, I've hurt people in self defense, physically and verbally, as well as accidentally. Malice was never an issue.

No. your reaction is that of someone trying to explain away their guilt. If you really expect any person here, or anywhere else, to believe that you have never hurt anyone intentionally, you are probably looking to end up disappointed. Accusing me is a straw man argument, I never claimed to be perfect. I never claimed to have never hurt anyone. and I have never tried to justify my actions in front of the internet. The only person here spouting "self-righteous bullshit" here is you, you just can not stop going on about how great you are and how flawless you are in the matter of hurting people.
Unfortunately, you are arguing against someone learned in the social sciences. You see yourself as flawless in this matter because you want to. But it is unlikely you are viewing yourself objectively. You see yourself through a lens that does not accurately describe reality.
Let me give an example: Have you ever mocked someone? laughed with a crowd at someones misfortune or accident? Have you ever made fun of someone in order to boost yourself?
To believe that these things are less harmful is to make one person less than another, to say that one kind of pain is worse than another. I have met 6 year olds whose self esteem has been so devastated by harassment, that they want to die. 6 year olds.
My initial post was meant to shock you, draw you out, and possibly make you confront yourself. Rather than do this, you have reflected outward, a common symptom in this day and age. Your use of capslocks, your vehemence in your perfection, and your anger at anyone daring to call you out on the hypocrisy of your opinion speaks everything else that needs to be said.

 

[Jewrean]

It is biologically imprinted into us to rape the female of the species.

Source please.

And no a libido is not the same thing.

No source required. Already explained. If rape wasn't imprinted in our minds biologically then why do we do it? Why do animals do it also? It's a natural part of life. Are you serious or are you trolling?

 

[Jewrean]

3 things.

1. Denise ain't as cute as she was back then.
2. Rape has nothing to do with attraction, except maybe in the cases involving loser date rapists. So a woman's attractiveness really has nothing to do with it. Personally, I would've gone with Scarlett Johannsen for my example, except she has a penis

3. I think you're underestimating the Christian Right. This man, as many of his colleagues, is on a crusade to overturn or subvert Roe V. Wade any way he can. His statements have nothing to do with rape prevention, and if he ever spoke of rape prevention I am fairly certain he'd be one of the uninformed dolts suggesting that women cover up as a deterrent. Of Course there are things women can do (and things that we can all do) to prevent specific rapes and lower the overall amount of rapes occurring, but that is a separate issue and has nothing to do with the congressman's argument. This sort of cold unempathetic rhetoric is common amongst fringe pro-lifers who view everyone who goes through with an abortion as a murderer who deserves whatever has happened to them. THAT is what informs his opinions, or else he wouldn't say dismissive things such as this.

1) True, but why is time an issue? I'm sure someone wanted to rape her back then.

2) Rape has everything to do with attraction. The whole act of sex is wanting to copulate with the opposite gender. I think you are confusing this with personality attraction rather than physical attraction. Animals are 'attracted' to one another. To do this they usually give off pheromones. The male will also give off pheromones to promote his sexual availability and genetic superiority over other males. If the female is not giving these hormones off but the male is, the male still needs to 'unload' so to speak. He recognizes a member of the opposite gender and proceeds to copulate whether it be consensual or not. The point is when the male is sexually active he will often be attracted to any female at the slim chance of reproduction. It is built into all males to 'get as many women as we can'. It's why so many men have commitment issues. It is part of our genetic makeup.

3) TBH I only skimmed through the article and took out the flat tire vs rape analogy and spoke about that. I honestly don't care about religion and I would probably agree with you on many points to decry them and their stupidity. That being said, many Christians (or people of any religion) are good decent people and so I tend to just hate the idea of religion converting naive people and not the people themselves. And I agree, women SHOULDN'T have to cover up to avoid rape and I'm certainly not advocating that. Unfortunately rape is simply a part of life.

 

[Jewrean]

It is biologically imprinted into us to rape the female of the species.

Source please.

And no a libido is not the same thing.

No source required. Already explained. If rape wasn't imprinted in our minds biologically then why do we do it?

Dominance, horniness, revenge.

You think we never do stuff that isn't imprinted in us biologically?

'Horniness' IS biological.

Dominance is biologically imprinted in our brains. Survival of the fittest, dog eat dog, etc. We live to have a better quality of life usually by hindering the quality of life of others.

As for revenge? The end result usually involves a penis being erect... in which case you can thank biology for making it go up. If no penis is involved? Well it's back to dominance which again is also biology.

Thank-you for your time. Any other examples?

 

[Darius Brogan]

Well, for me, this is just another number on my 'List of why humans are stupid'

I find it hilarious that this asshole said that, and evidently didn't bat an eyelash.

Seriously? 'I have a spare tire on my car'? So this guy is comparing driving over a random sharp-object lying on the road, that just happened to be large enough to puncture his tire, with some sexually uncontrolled, morally void fuck-head deliberately HUNTING DOWN women, and raping them? Whatever he's on, should be WAAAAY more illegal than it is, or isn't, whatever the case may be.

Planning ahead for rape shouldn't be necessary in the first place. Even then, 'abortion insurance' is just plain stupid. It won't help the women that got raped to know that she's ngot good insurance, because she JUST GOT RAPED.

I could see carrying around a big-ass pistol and blowing the guys balls off being called 'preparedness', because, if he's got no balls, and is bleeding all over the pavement, you don't have to worry about getting pregnant now, do you?
And if 'Gods will' is getting a woman raped, just so she can have a child grow up to be a singer, then he's on some fucking powerful Psychotropics, because That.Is.Pathetic.

This man should think over what he said, and I should be there to see the look on his face when it hits him what he said, and how completely wrong it could, and is, being interpreted.

I can just imagine the largest, most helpless look of "Oh... Fucknuts" glazing over his eyes.

Also, on a different note, I find it so far above hilarious that they're separating 'rape' and 'incest' so obviously. The term 'Incest' is just people that share blood having sex, while 'Rape' is sex that is IN ANY WAY against the man or woman's will.
Incest can be consensual, Rape cannot. If it's a girls brother or father that raped her, incest is just an addendum, RAPE is what should be the focal point, and RAPISTS in general deserve to be shot in the face.

I apologize in advance if my views offend anyone, they tend to be a bit radical for most tastes.

I prostrate myself for you. I think what you said is just AMAZING.

Thank you very much, I appreciate it.

I hope both of you are brought to task for every person you have ever hurt, ever.

Pardon? For the record, I don't hurt people often, and when I do, it's always in self defense. ALWAYS.

I've lived through people threatening my family, friends, and my own life, several times.
I've been almost completely ostracized for most of my life.

I've also nearly had my left eye destroyed TWICE, by two different people, who though it would be funny to try and get me to cry in public. It didn't work, by the way, though I've got permanent scar tissue over my eye now.

My thoughts and opinions of and about people have been formed over the years by seeing people, myself included, GET HURT.

I won't say my life has been the worst, matter of fact, compared to many, it's been really easy, however, being 'brought to task' for my hurting people won't come about until I actually HURT SOMEONE intentionally, and with either outright, or implied malice. So take your uninformed, negative opinion, and go fuck yourself with it.

I am sure that you are perfect. that you have never hurt anyone, never done wrong. and I touched a nerve. You didn't like it, did you? The idea you might be called to account for every wrong you have ever committed.

Uh, you'd have to deliberately hurt people for that to happen and, while I'm not perfect, and won't say I've NEVER hurt anybody, even accidentally, I'm evidently better than you, because you seem to think that I DO deliberately hurt people. I don't.

If you had read my previous post and absorbed any real information from it, I know INTIMATELY what it feels like to be on the receiving end of an asshole trying to hurt me.

Accountability for a wrong never committed, is barely accountability at all. Yes, I've hurt people, NO it hasn't been deliberate. In fact, the worst I can remember EVER doing is thus: Recently, I sharpened my brothers Knives, I'm very good at it, he got momentarily distracted and cut his finger rather severely. No Stitches, but it was bleeding quite a lot.THAT'S the WORST.

What about you? oh saintly one? Ever accidentally step on a foot? say the wrong word? Knock a coconut out of a tree that broke somebodies glass of Cuervo?

If not, you must be God, because it's not physically possible to go through this world without hurting SOMEONE, and God is the only being that can evidently bend the laws of reality.

Step on a nerve? I'll say so. What you said was the equivalent of telling a Father he just punted his eight year old son across the yard, when he was aiming for a soccer ball.
I'm not perfect, nobody is, but Do Not Ever assume that everybody on earth deliberately sets out in the morning looking to hurt someone. I know EXACTLY what happens to people when they deliberately hurt others for their own amusement, because I've been on the receiving end.
Did ANYTHING in my first post allude to my love of hurting people? I don't think so, in fact, if I remember correctly, it was more watching the look on the guy's face when he realized how backwards what he said could be taken.
That's not hurting someone, that's watching the realization of a colossal mistake. They're very different in term, and in definition.

So go take your self righteous bullshit elsewhere, you're infecting the internet.

EDIT: Also please note 'until I actually HURT SOMEONE intentionally, and with either outright, or implied malice.' I stated intentionally, with malice. Yeah, I've hurt people in self defense, physically and verbally, as well as accidentally. Malice was never an issue.

No. your reaction is that of someone trying to explain away their guilt. If you really expect any person here, or anywhere else, to believe that you have never hurt anyone intentionally, you are probably looking to end up disappointed. Accusing me is a straw man argument, I never claimed to be perfect. I never claimed to have never hurt anyone. and I have never tried to justify my actions in front of the internet. The only person here spouting "self-righteous bullshit" here is you, you just can not stop going on about how great you are and how flawless you are in the matter of hurting people.
Unfortunately, you are arguing against someone learned in the social sciences. You see yourself as flawless in this matter because you want to. But it is unlikely you are viewing yourself objectively. You see yourself through a lens that does not accurately describe reality.
Let me give an example: Have you ever mocked someone? laughed with a crowd at someones misfortune or accident? Have you ever made fun of someone in order to boost yourself?
To believe that these things are less harmful is to make one person less than another, to say that one kind of pain is worse than another. I have met 6 year olds whose self esteem has been so devastated by harassment, that they want to die. 6 year olds.
My initial post was meant to shock you, draw you out, and possibly make you confront yourself. Rather than do this, you have reflected outward, a common symptom in this day and age. Your use of capslocks, your vehemence in your perfection, and your anger at anyone daring to call you out on the hypocrisy of your opinion speaks everything else that needs to be said.

If you think pretending to be a psychiatrist will change the outcome of this conversation then, by all means, go for it.

You would need guilt to explain away in the first place, and I've already made my peace with the fact that it is impossible to go through life without hurting anyone.
'My reaction' is that of somebody that's tired of stupid, self righteous assholes like you pretending they know anything about me.

Also, explaining a situation is hardly justifying anything. Justification in this situation is unnecessary, and will get me nowhere, I was just hoping that you were smart enough to understand said situation. Evidently you think you're TOO smart to care, and are therefore pretending that you know me well enough to form any sort of cohesive argument against my character.

I'm not accusing you of anything, I'm asking you a question. You seem really caught up on making me feel like an asshole for 'hurting people', yet you'll admit that you hurt others as well. I smell a double standard here.

Nowhere in any of my posts did I even attempt to make myself seem flawless, I admitted to hurting people, physically, verbally, ect... but I do NOT hurt people intentionally, unless provoked. Ever. I guess you could say I was raised that way, you know, with a code of MORALS. Like any good human being has.

I also don't care how 'learned in the social sciences' you think you are, trying to explain the actions of someone potentially thousands of miles away, with no evidence of their temperament at the time of the comment, is a useless endeavor, because, through text, even with inflections, capitalization, punctuation, bold, italic, underlined, and what-have-you, it is not possible to impart all the information one would when holding a verbal conversation, with any of the verbal queues that would normally be present.

In answer to your situational inquiry, I can say this. 1) Mocked someone? Give me a cut and dry example of said mocking, and 'll be able to tell you. 2) Laughed with a crowd at someones misfortune? No. Not ever in my memories do I ever remember following a crowd and laughing at someone. That I can honestly say, regardless of what you believe. 3) No I have never made fun of another to 'boost myself'. My self-esteem is my problem alone, and I will not foist embarrassment off onto another person to give myself a pick-me-up.

Whatever you may think of me, I was NEVER a part of those groups that find bullying/embarrassing/otherwise belittling others amusing, I was usually on the other end. Paint my character however you will, but until YOU experience MY life, and I experience YOURS, your know-it-all 'social sciences' attitude is meaningless.

I'm not a perfect person, and I'll never claim to be, but just because you're in possession of what YOU believe to be a superior education, that doesn't give you any right to judge my character, nor the knowledge to do so. If we ever meet in person, the situation may change, but until that happens, I'm going to continue living my life the way I choose to do so, regardless of the opinions of someone that believes spouting their 'education level' will improve their standing in my eyes, OR humble me.

Also, I use the Caps-lock because I don't feel like adding the extra characters for italic, underline, or bold, not because I'm pissed off, and not because you think your initial post was well-worded enough to make me introspective.
I'm not vehement in my own perfection, as you seem to have glazed over the admissions of imperfection in my previous posts. They're not there for show, they're there to be read and understood. I'm so far past confronting myself in this life it's rather funny. You think you're the first person pretending to be a psychiatrist when talking to me? Get over yourself. I made peace with my demons LONG before my first ever post on the Escapist. Accept that.
You say you've seen 6 years old children with destroyed self esteem? So have I. I know what it looks like, I know what it feels like. Or do my personal experiences count for less when compared to the almighty education you possess?

 

[funguy2121]

1) True, but why is time an issue? I'm sure someone wanted to rape her back then.

2) Rape has everything to do with attraction. The whole act of sex is wanting to copulate with the opposite gender. I think you are confusing this with personality attraction rather than physical attraction. Animals are 'attracted' to one another. To do this they usually give off pheromones. The male will also give off pheromones to promote his sexual availability and genetic superiority over other males. If the female is not giving these hormones off but the male is, the male still needs to 'unload' so to speak. He recognizes a member of the opposite gender and proceeds to copulate whether it be consensual or not. The point is when the male is sexually active he will often be attracted to any female at the slim chance of reproduction. It is built into all males to 'get as many women as we can'. It's why so many men have commitment issues. It is part of our genetic makeup.

3) TBH I only skimmed through the article and took out the flat tire vs rape analogy and spoke about that. I honestly don't care about religion and I would probably agree with you on many points to decry them and their stupidity. That being said, many Christians (or people of any religion) are good decent people and so I tend to just hate the idea of religion converting naive people and not the people themselves. And I agree, women SHOULDN'T have to cover up to avoid rape and I'm certainly not advocating that. Unfortunately rape is simply a part of life.[/quote]

I agree with all of your points except (2). I used to feel this way as well. Why would a guy rape a woman to whom he's not attracted? Of course, back then I didn't like to think about what I thought were greatly exaggerated accounts of, say, prison rape. Most inmates are not homosexuals, yet they commit horrible acts of rape that happen to be homosexual. If it weren't about power, they would just use their hand. Believe me, I've heard of some pretty creative means that some prisoners will go through to simulate a pussy.

Rape always has been and always will be about power, except for some date rapists who simply don't believe they can actually convince a woman to go to bed with them. FBI profilers and psychologists will tell you the same. Women are not raped because the perp finds them attractive. They are raped because the only way he can get off is a power trip.

 

[funguy2121]

He wanted to rape her back then.

2) Rape has everything to do with attraction. The whole act of sex is wanting to copulate with the opposite gender. I think you are confusing this with personality attraction rather than physical attraction. Animals are 'attracted' to one another. To do this they usually give off pheromones. The male will also give off pheromones to promote his sexual availability and genetic superiority over other males. If the female is not giving these hormones off but the male is, the male still needs to 'unload' so to speak. He recognizes a member of the opposite gender and proceeds to copulate whether it be consensual or not. The point is when the male is sexually active he will often be attracted to any female at the slim chance of reproduction. It is built into all males to 'get as many women as we can'. It's why so many men have commitment issues. It is part of our genetic makeup.

3) TBH I only skimmed through the article and took out the flat tire vs rape analogy and spoke about that. I honestly don't care about religion and I would probably agree with you on many points to decry them and their stupidity. That being said, many Christians (or people of any religion) are good decent people and so I tend to just hate the idea of religion converting naive people and not the people themselves. And I agree, women SHOULDN'T have to cover up to avoid rape and I'm certainly not advocating that. Unfortunately rape is simply a part of life.

I agree with all of your points except (2). I used to feel this way as well. Why would a guy rape a woman to whom he's not attracted? Of course, back then I didn't like to think about what I thought were greatly exaggerated accounts of, say, prison rape. Most inmates are not homosexuals, yet they commit horrible acts of rape that happen to be homosexual. If it weren't about power, they would just use their hand. Believe me, I've heard of some pretty creative means that some prisoners will go through to simulate a pussy.

Rape always has been and always will be about power, except for some date rapists who simply don't believe they can actually convince a woman to go to bed with them. FBI profilers and psychologists will tell you the same. Women are not raped because the perp finds them attractive. They are raped because the only way he can get off is a power trip.

 

[magnuslion]

Well, for me, this is just another number on my 'List of why humans are stupid'

I find it hilarious that this asshole said that, and evidently didn't bat an eyelash.

Seriously? 'I have a spare tire on my car'? So this guy is comparing driving over a random sharp-object lying on the road, that just happened to be large enough to puncture his tire, with some sexually uncontrolled, morally void fuck-head deliberately HUNTING DOWN women, and raping them? Whatever he's on, should be WAAAAY more illegal than it is, or isn't, whatever the case may be.

Planning ahead for rape shouldn't be necessary in the first place. Even then, 'abortion insurance' is just plain stupid. It won't help the women that got raped to know that she's ngot good insurance, because she JUST GOT RAPED.

I could see carrying around a big-ass pistol and blowing the guys balls off being called 'preparedness', because, if he's got no balls, and is bleeding all over the pavement, you don't have to worry about getting pregnant now, do you?
And if 'Gods will' is getting a woman raped, just so she can have a child grow up to be a singer, then he's on some fucking powerful Psychotropics, because That.Is.Pathetic.

This man should think over what he said, and I should be there to see the look on his face when it hits him what he said, and how completely wrong it could, and is, being interpreted.

I can just imagine the largest, most helpless look of "Oh... Fucknuts" glazing over his eyes.

Also, on a different note, I find it so far above hilarious that they're separating 'rape' and 'incest' so obviously. The term 'Incest' is just people that share blood having sex, while 'Rape' is sex that is IN ANY WAY against the man or woman's will.
Incest can be consensual, Rape cannot. If it's a girls brother or father that raped her, incest is just an addendum, RAPE is what should be the focal point, and RAPISTS in general deserve to be shot in the face.

I apologize in advance if my views offend anyone, they tend to be a bit radical for most tastes.

I prostrate myself for you. I think what you said is just AMAZING.

Thank you very much, I appreciate it.

I hope both of you are brought to task for every person you have ever hurt, ever.

Pardon? For the record, I don't hurt people often, and when I do, it's always in self defense. ALWAYS.

I've lived through people threatening my family, friends, and my own life, several times.
I've been almost completely ostracized for most of my life.

I've also nearly had my left eye destroyed TWICE, by two different people, who though it would be funny to try and get me to cry in public. It didn't work, by the way, though I've got permanent scar tissue over my eye now.

My thoughts and opinions of and about people have been formed over the years by seeing people, myself included, GET HURT.

I won't say my life has been the worst, matter of fact, compared to many, it's been really easy, however, being 'brought to task' for my hurting people won't come about until I actually HURT SOMEONE intentionally, and with either outright, or implied malice. So take your uninformed, negative opinion, and go fuck yourself with it.

I am sure that you are perfect. that you have never hurt anyone, never done wrong. and I touched a nerve. You didn't like it, did you? The idea you might be called to account for every wrong you have ever committed.

Uh, you'd have to deliberately hurt people for that to happen and, while I'm not perfect, and won't say I've NEVER hurt anybody, even accidentally, I'm evidently better than you, because you seem to think that I DO deliberately hurt people. I don't.

If you had read my previous post and absorbed any real information from it, I know INTIMATELY what it feels like to be on the receiving end of an asshole trying to hurt me.

Accountability for a wrong never committed, is barely accountability at all. Yes, I've hurt people, NO it hasn't been deliberate. In fact, the worst I can remember EVER doing is thus: Recently, I sharpened my brothers Knives, I'm very good at it, he got momentarily distracted and cut his finger rather severely. No Stitches, but it was bleeding quite a lot.THAT'S the WORST.

What about you? oh saintly one? Ever accidentally step on a foot? say the wrong word? Knock a coconut out of a tree that broke somebodies glass of Cuervo?

If not, you must be God, because it's not physically possible to go through this world without hurting SOMEONE, and God is the only being that can evidently bend the laws of reality.

Step on a nerve? I'll say so. What you said was the equivalent of telling a Father he just punted his eight year old son across the yard, when he was aiming for a soccer ball.
I'm not perfect, nobody is, but Do Not Ever assume that everybody on earth deliberately sets out in the morning looking to hurt someone. I know EXACTLY what happens to people when they deliberately hurt others for their own amusement, because I've been on the receiving end.
Did ANYTHING in my first post allude to my love of hurting people? I don't think so, in fact, if I remember correctly, it was more watching the look on the guy's face when he realized how backwards what he said could be taken.
That's not hurting someone, that's watching the realization of a colossal mistake. They're very different in term, and in definition.

So go take your self righteous bullshit elsewhere, you're infecting the internet.

EDIT: Also please note 'until I actually HURT SOMEONE intentionally, and with either outright, or implied malice.' I stated intentionally, with malice. Yeah, I've hurt people in self defense, physically and verbally, as well as accidentally. Malice was never an issue.

No. your reaction is that of someone trying to explain away their guilt. If you really expect any person here, or anywhere else, to believe that you have never hurt anyone intentionally, you are probably looking to end up disappointed. Accusing me is a straw man argument, I never claimed to be perfect. I never claimed to have never hurt anyone. and I have never tried to justify my actions in front of the internet. The only person here spouting "self-righteous bullshit" here is you, you just can not stop going on about how great you are and how flawless you are in the matter of hurting people.
Unfortunately, you are arguing against someone learned in the social sciences. You see yourself as flawless in this matter because you want to. But it is unlikely you are viewing yourself objectively. You see yourself through a lens that does not accurately describe reality.
Let me give an example: Have you ever mocked someone? laughed with a crowd at someones misfortune or accident? Have you ever made fun of someone in order to boost yourself?
To believe that these things are less harmful is to make one person less than another, to say that one kind of pain is worse than another. I have met 6 year olds whose self esteem has been so devastated by harassment, that they want to die. 6 year olds.
My initial post was meant to shock you, draw you out, and possibly make you confront yourself. Rather than do this, you have reflected outward, a common symptom in this day and age. Your use of capslocks, your vehemence in your perfection, and your anger at anyone daring to call you out on the hypocrisy of your opinion speaks everything else that needs to be said.

If you think pretending to be a psychiatrist will change the outcome of this conversation then, by all means, go for it.

You would need guilt to explain away in the first place, and I've already made my peace with the fact that it is impossible to go through life without hurting anyone.
'My reaction' is that of somebody that's tired of stupid, self righteous assholes like you pretending they know anything about me.

Also, explaining a situation is hardly justifying anything. Justification in this situation is unnecessary, and will get me nowhere, I was just hoping that you were smart enough to understand said situation. Evidently you think you're TOO smart to care, and are therefore pretending that you know me well enough to form any sort of cohesive argument against my character.

I'm not accusing you of anything, I'm asking you a question. You seem really caught up on making me feel like an asshole for 'hurting people', yet you'll admit that you hurt others as well. I smell a double standard here.

Nowhere in any of my posts did I even attempt to make myself seem flawless, I admitted to hurting people, physically, verbally, ect... but I do NOT hurt people intentionally, unless provoked. Ever. I guess you could say I was raised that way, you know, with a code of MORALS. Like any good human being has.

I also don't care how 'learned in the social sciences' you think you are, trying to explain the actions of someone potentially thousands of miles away, with no evidence of their temperament at the time of the comment, is a useless endeavor, because, through text, even with inflections, capitalization, punctuation, bold, italic, underlined, and what-have-you, it is not possible to impart all the information one would when holding a verbal conversation, with any of the verbal queues that would normally be present.

In answer to your situational inquiry, I can say this. 1) Mocked someone? Give me a cut and dry example of said mocking, and 'll be able to tell you. 2) Laughed with a crowd at someones misfortune? No. Not ever in my memories do I ever remember following a crowd and laughing at someone. That I can honestly say, regardless of what you believe. 3) No I have never made fun of another to 'boost myself'. My self-esteem is my problem alone, and I will not foist embarrassment off onto another person to give myself a pick-me-up.

Whatever you may think of me, I was NEVER a part of those groups that find bullying/embarrassing/otherwise belittling others amusing, I was usually on the other end. Paint my character however you will, but until YOU experience MY life, and I experience YOURS, your know-it-all 'social sciences' attitude is meaningless.

I'm not a perfect person, and I'll never claim to be, but just because you're in possession of what YOU believe to be a superior education, that doesn't give you any right to judge my character, nor the knowledge to do so. If we ever meet in person, the situation may change, but until that happens, I'm going to continue living my life the way I choose to do so, regardless of the opinions of someone that believes spouting their 'education level' will improve their standing in my eyes, OR humble me.

Also, I use the Caps-lock because I don't feel like adding the extra characters for italic, underline, or bold, not because I'm pissed off, and not because you think your initial post was well-worded enough to make me introspective.
I'm not vehement in my own perfection, as you seem to have glazed over the admissions of imperfection in my previous posts. They're not there for show, they're there to be read and understood. I'm so far past confronting myself in this life it's rather funny. You think you're the first person pretending to be a psychiatrist when talking to me? Get over yourself. I made peace with my demons LONG before my first ever post on the Escapist. Accept that.
You say you've seen 6 years old children with destroyed self esteem? So have I. I know what it looks like, I know what it feels like. Or do my personal experiences count for less when compared to the almighty education you possess?

1. your implication that I care the slightest about my "standing" in your eyes is laughable, and not the point at all. It is a deviation from what the argument is about.
2. I never said I was a psychiatrist. Psychiatrists, by the way, prescribe medications to people who have mental disorders. My fields of study are clinical psychology, and social science.
3. You hint that you have been abused, but have not actually said. If you have been, and still have the kind of vehemence against people that you carry, your "demons" are not nearly as faced as you believe. do not believe me? go see a psychologist and ask him/her if I am wrong.
4. Your denial of either my education, or its effect on this conversation, is once again a straw man argument. I believe that seeing as how I have actually worked with sex offenders in several different instances, I am more qualified than you in this argument. You can deny that all you want, it wont make the slightest bit of impact on me, or likely anyone else.
Your original comment on what "should happen to rapists" is anti-social and indicative of serious unresolved anger issues. You do not seem to grasp that you cannot cure violence with more violence. Who are you to judge anyone? Do you know what most of these people have been through, the abuse they have absorbed? No, you don't, but you sit back and judge them from the confines of your tower, and when someone like me throws a rock through your window, you react in any way to seem like you are normal. Fun Fact: If you want to hurt anyone you do not personally know for any reason, you are not normal. I am done talking to you. You are convinced of both your superiority, and your opinion.

 

[Jewrean]

It is biologically imprinted into us to rape the female of the species.

Source please.

And no a libido is not the same thing.

No source required. Already explained. If rape wasn't imprinted in our minds biologically then why do we do it?

Dominance, horniness, revenge.

You think we never do stuff that isn't imprinted in us biologically?

'Horniness' IS biological.

It does not come with a desire to rape.

As for revenge? The end result usually involves a penis being erect... in which case you can thank biology for making it go up.

An erect penis is not the same as a desire for rape. Someone can have a desire for murder and get an adrenaline rush which is biological. Doesn't mean there's a biological desire for murder.

You're mistaking dominance for self-preservation. A biological desire to impair our species would make us worse off.

1) As already discussed if we were as primal as possible, yes it does. The ability is as innate as that seen in other species but it is still there. Quite simply our desire for copulating regardless of consent.

2) Of course a biological desire to impair our species would make us in bad standing. But guess what? It's there. And no I'm not talking about self-preservation.

Wanting dominance over others is genetically imprinted into us. You would be naive to deny this. Just look at the animal kingdom. Males fight other males for territory and females. This is just one example.

 

[Jewrean]

He wanted to rape her back then.

2) Rape has everything to do with attraction. The whole act of sex is wanting to copulate with the opposite gender. I think you are confusing this with personality attraction rather than physical attraction. Animals are 'attracted' to one another. To do this they usually give off pheromones. The male will also give off pheromones to promote his sexual availability and genetic superiority over other males. If the female is not giving these hormones off but the male is, the male still needs to 'unload' so to speak. He recognizes a member of the opposite gender and proceeds to copulate whether it be consensual or not. The point is when the male is sexually active he will often be attracted to any female at the slim chance of reproduction. It is built into all males to 'get as many women as we can'. It's why so many men have commitment issues. It is part of our genetic makeup.

3) TBH I only skimmed through the article and took out the flat tire vs rape analogy and spoke about that. I honestly don't care about religion and I would probably agree with you on many points to decry them and their stupidity. That being said, many Christians (or people of any religion) are good decent people and so I tend to just hate the idea of religion converting naive people and not the people themselves. And I agree, women SHOULDN'T have to cover up to avoid rape and I'm certainly not advocating that. Unfortunately rape is simply a part of life.

I agree with all of your points except (2). I used to feel this way as well. Why would a guy rape a woman to whom he's not attracted? Of course, back then I didn't like to think about what I thought were greatly exaggerated accounts of, say, prison rape. Most inmates are not homosexuals, yet they commit horrible acts of rape that happen to be homosexual. If it weren't about power, they would just use their hand. Believe me, I've heard of some pretty creative means that some prisoners will go through to simulate a pussy.

Rape always has been and always will be about power, except for some date rapists who simply don't believe they can actually convince a woman to go to bed with them. FBI profilers and psychologists will tell you the same. Women are not raped because the perp finds them attractive. They are raped because the only way he can get off is a power trip.

Agreed that rape can be about power but it isn't just always about power. I'm having a discussion with another person who doesn't understand what I'm trying to say. Dominating others and wanting 'power' is ALSO built into us genetically. Whether it be for survival of the fittest or dog eat dog. Lions fight for territory. So do prison inmates. Rape for the sake of power over another individual is an inbuilt natural tendency, however because the only people around are males and putting your penis in someone is the only way to humiliate someone in prison without actually killing them then it's basically the only option.

Yes rape can be about power AND / OR basic sexual copulation. Both of which have biological explanations.

 

[Jewrean]

Saying they exist in other animals is not proof they exist in humans

Clearly there is a break down in communication here where I don't understand what the hell you're saying and vice-a-versa. Perhaps agree to disagree?

If the attribute can exist in any other creature it can also exist in us. In-fact if I wanted to be technical, EVERYTHING we are and do is influenced by our biology and genetic make-up. If rape isn't a biological act then humans aren't in the category of biology.

I have already attempted to discuss why humans do what they do and why animals do what they do. I'm not going to try and explain in a different way. I find it hilarious when people insist we do not belong in categories associated with the animals when clearly the vast majority of our traits and mannerisms (if not ALL of them) can be found in the animal kingdom to a certain extent.