Getting raped is like getting a flat tire. Also, it's God's will. Fancy that.

[DigitalAtlas]

State rep is now the best troll in history.

 

[phelan511]

From what I've read he's (the lawmaker in question) aligned with the neo-conservative right. My personal opinion is that when it comes to abortion it should be entirely up to the woman, and in the cases of rape it shouldn't be on the woman to pay for the operation if need be. I'm a fairly religious person, but rape is rape. Theres no way to plan for it, no way to say you know, I might get raped today so I might just stay home. Rape is a terrible crime, and to possibly say that a woman should see it coming is an ignorant and well retarded statement at best.

 

[kickassfrog]

...At least, it is according to Kansas State Representative Pete De Graaf and Idaho State Representative Brent Crane.

Article: http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/05/31/granderson.rape.abortion/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

For people living in Kansas and Idaho...you don't get to complain. You voted these people into office. :x Just sayin'. (And even if you voted against them, they're still representing the state legally. THE FLAW OF A DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC! But I digress.)

SO PEOPLE. Do you agree with them? /Waits for the inevitable 3-5 people who say yes.

Damn it, where are the gun nuts who keep shooting the presidents? There must be one who could get a clear shot

 

[Someonetookmyname]

Funny thing abortions and some states... Kansas is probably the most effed up, but Mississippi is also really bad.
It's governor proudly announced that he had the state with the leas abortions, he just failed to mention, that his state also had the highest baby mortality rate...

 

[Realitycrash]

Eh, Fatalism at work? Funny.

 

[Realitycrash]

If God (and by God you mean the Christian God)is all-good, how could something evil be his will? Regardless of your opinions on Christianity, that just isn't logical.

See the Inconsistent Triad. If God is all powerful, then he can't be all good as evil happens. If he is all good, then he cannot be all powerful as he cannot stop it. Pretty much shows you why the Christian God doesn't quite work.

There are way, waaay many arguments you are missing. Christian scholars have been debating this for centuries and centuries.
It usually boils down to "Free will. Everything is man's fault", which is countered with "If God is all-powerful, he can leave free will be, yet prevent evil." countered by "Well, man deserves it, since we fell from Eden" countered by "So God is that petty?" countered by..Blah blah blah.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_Hell

 

[CleverCover]

Sadly, that's happening all over the country in many red states.

Many people will find themselves with an option for abortion should the need ever arise, because women shouldn't be given the choice anymore apparently.

Small government my left foot. >.>

 

[SFMB]

I wouldn't mind raping those state representatives, just to show God's Will and how much fun it is to change their rectums... with a tire iron. Redneck lunatics.

 

[spacewalker]

OT: Wow... urm, it's stories like this that make me feel so sorry for Christians. How are they expected to practice they're religion when you have psychos like this representing them...

hes not worse than most politicians, take for example the guy this thread started about.

 

[rutger5000]

You very poorly summarized the article. Stupid people said stupid things. There is a case to be made for the whole flat tire statement. Of course the pain and agony caused by rape can't be compared by the minor disconvenience of a flat tire. But it might be a good idea to have abortion in your health care in case you get raped. Rape is a real threat for women, I find it a good idea to be prepared. And that was the point the senator tried to make. He should have used more tact.
The whole Gods will statement can't be defended.

 

[Ekonk]

Some people are just retarded. And then other retards vote them into power.

I for one think abortion should be no big deal (although it should be treated as a last resort, and not lightly). Think teen moms, badly prepared one night stands, or indeed, rape. A pregnancy will change your life, perhaps for better, perhaps for worse. If the latter, you should be allowed to abort.

As I said it should not be taken lightly though, no dead baby jokes and so forth.

 

[spartandude]

who the fuck votes for these people?

 

[Dott]

So it's okay for me to rape his wife and daughter? He said they wouldn't need an abortion!

Seriously, what the hell is wrong with these people?

 

[mananomas131]

No offense, but where does "God's Will" figure into this? I read the article and I don't see where it mentioned that Getting raped is "God's will".

Can we stop the christianity bashing and just talk about how much of an idiot this guy is? You don't necessarily have to be a religious person to support/disapprove of abortion. I'm Catholic, and I'm pro stem cell research.



Anyways, back to the topic at hand, like I said, that guy is an idiot, a complete idiot, his comments were completely inappropriate, and it's a shame that more people are worried about "Weiner's Wiener" then the stuff this man is saying.

Brent Crane says that everything is part of God's plan, so getting raped is his will. It's in the article around the middle of it.

If God (and by God you mean the Christian God)is all-good, how could something evil be his will? Regardless of your opinions on Christianity, that just isn't logical.

To quote Epicurus...

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?"

That kind of applies to all monotheistic religions. :x

And what I am taking from this is yet another reason for my extreme anti-theism. I hate religion in all its forms. Gods will my arse. Fucking knobjockey.

See above! Also, nice OC VG Cats avatar.

This ignores the Doctrine of Free Will though. God has given Man the power to choose to the good or the evil; ie: he didn't create robots to blindly follow him because that would have defeated the purpose of creating them in the first place. It also ignores the fallen nature of Man, which would explain where evil comes from.

I don't want to start a religious war over this though (I'm a Roman Catholic btw).

Giving man the choice to commit evil falls under 'He is not willing to prevent evil' Since...you know...he would have given permission to commit it by saying 'Do whatever.' (And thus not preventing it.)

But isn't removing our free will the greatest evil? A malevolent would have no issue with this, however a benevolent god would take every issue with removing someones free will.

This is a problem I've always had with god giving mankind free will. It's not free will. He's supposed to be omnipotent, remember, meaning that, at the very moment he created the world, he knew EVERYTHING that was going to happen. He created adam and eve knowing they'd be tempted and eat the fruit. Everything. Planned and created that way. That's not free will. He built it that way. God would have to be one entirely sick fuck.

 

[WaderiAAA]

This ignores the Doctrine of Free Will though. God has given Man the power to choose to the good or the evil; ie: he didn't create robots to blindly follow him because that would have defeated the purpose of creating them in the first place. It also ignores the fallen nature of Man, which would explain where evil comes from.

I don't want to start a religious war over this though (I'm a Roman Catholic btw).

Giving man the choice to commit evil falls under 'He is not willing to prevent evil' Since...you know...he would have given permission to commit it by saying 'Do whatever.' (And thus not preventing it.)

So you are saying God is not all-good because he gave people free will and this enables them to do evil?

If God limited people's free will, then he would be evil himself. It's kinda like the Mass Effect 2 scenario that they discussed in Extra Credits:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/1974-Enriching-Lives

I don't think the Christian God is allmighthy. The devil also has power and people also have freedom. I actually think Christianity would explain a lot. According to the book of revelations we are in the final times, a time of war, natural disasters etc. and no matter how long it lasts the point is that God will win and it will end well.

Thought I don't know the exact words, the Bible also says that one of the devil's skills is to discuise himself as an angel of light, thus fooling someone to do something evil and believe they are doing something good. That would sure explain many of the nasty things the church has done throughout the last two thousands years.