Ghostbusters heading for $70 million loss

[Shiver Me Tits]

At this point Hollywood should just lower the box office standard. Stop expecting every movie to be a billion dollar maker.

And stop bloating Marketing and use cheaper methods of marketing.

I agree totally with the second point, but there's some background stuff working to prevent the first;

Spoiler: Background Stuff

- Studios take much a smaller cut of the first-week ticket sales than they used to, due to a number of theatre chains folding in the 2000s. For example, when Phantom Menace came out, some theatres got to keep literally about 1% of the ticket price during the first week. Nowadays, the deals with theatre chains are more egalitarian (it seems to average at about a 50% split), which is good for theatres and theoretically good for customers of theatres, but means that a film has to make twice as much box office gross as it did in 1999 in order to reach the same profit.

- Films are becoming more expensive to make, for much the same reason that AAA video game releases are - the special effects technology advances, and so does the manpower cost and amount of post-production work required to get the film looking up-to-par.

- While home media has been super important for the past couple decades, DVD sales have been declining in favour of cheaper streaming services, and there's always the looming spectre of internet piracy and/or some technological advancement shaking everything up again; that all combines to make studios more keen on the fast, "guaranteed" box office haul instead of a slow, less-predictable home media profit over ~10 years.

So, yeah. Major franchise films with a $1 bllion target number aren't going away anytime soon.

I do think that these films have a problem with inflated marketing budgets, mainly because no-one should have to spend $150 million dollars [http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2016/04/06/was-the-400-million-warner-bros-paid-for-batman-v-superman-a-good-investment/#54beb7a47d67] marketing a film where Batman fights Superman, for Christ's sake. This is what the internet is for.

Streaming is the devil incarnete. People complain about Games being Always Online DRM yet they can put up with Streaming movies/shows?

Do you come from an alternate reality where most people bought their TV shows outright, and value owning them for long periods of time? I guess you're at least a Millenial, to not realize that the history of television is a history of BROADCAST.

Games have a very different history, so we have a rare moment here, and that is a non-fallacious invocation of the "Apples and Oranges" confusion.

I lived through TV for a long time now. And I am mostly thinking of DVD/Home Media and that streaming is killing it.

DVD/Home media. You mean the multi-billion dollar empire that ended up being mostly Blockbuster?

Oh how liberating. I wish I could get rid of my giant library of content and go back to renting it by the one or two, along with abusive late fees.

No offense, but between this and your passion for various studio dog eggs on release, I have to wonder how green is your astroturf?

Your saying you don't buy and collect Home Media?

I'm saying that I used to, and now I get access to more anime for $10 than I ever did before without spending tens of thousands of dollars. My taste has rapidly improved in that time, since I can just try so many different types out, instead of investing only in what I previously enjoyed.

I'm also saying that most people other than the handful of otaku here, could not afford it. Streaming is much better for virtually everyone who isn't into collecting for the sake of a collection.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

At this point Hollywood should just lower the box office standard. Stop expecting every movie to be a billion dollar maker.

And stop bloating Marketing and use cheaper methods of marketing.

I agree totally with the second point, but there's some background stuff working to prevent the first;

Spoiler: Background Stuff

- Studios take much a smaller cut of the first-week ticket sales than they used to, due to a number of theatre chains folding in the 2000s. For example, when Phantom Menace came out, some theatres got to keep literally about 1% of the ticket price during the first week. Nowadays, the deals with theatre chains are more egalitarian (it seems to average at about a 50% split), which is good for theatres and theoretically good for customers of theatres, but means that a film has to make twice as much box office gross as it did in 1999 in order to reach the same profit.

- Films are becoming more expensive to make, for much the same reason that AAA video game releases are - the special effects technology advances, and so does the manpower cost and amount of post-production work required to get the film looking up-to-par.

- While home media has been super important for the past couple decades, DVD sales have been declining in favour of cheaper streaming services, and there's always the looming spectre of internet piracy and/or some technological advancement shaking everything up again; that all combines to make studios more keen on the fast, "guaranteed" box office haul instead of a slow, less-predictable home media profit over ~10 years.

So, yeah. Major franchise films with a $1 bllion target number aren't going away anytime soon.

I do think that these films have a problem with inflated marketing budgets, mainly because no-one should have to spend $150 million dollars [http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2016/04/06/was-the-400-million-warner-bros-paid-for-batman-v-superman-a-good-investment/#54beb7a47d67] marketing a film where Batman fights Superman, for Christ's sake. This is what the internet is for.

Streaming is the devil incarnete. People complain about Games being Always Online DRM yet they can put up with Streaming movies/shows?

Do you come from an alternate reality where most people bought their TV shows outright, and value owning them for long periods of time? I guess you're at least a Millenial, to not realize that the history of television is a history of BROADCAST.

Games have a very different history, so we have a rare moment here, and that is a non-fallacious invocation of the "Apples and Oranges" confusion.

I lived through TV for a long time now. And I am mostly thinking of DVD/Home Media and that streaming is killing it.

DVD/Home media. You mean the multi-billion dollar empire that ended up being mostly Blockbuster?

Oh how liberating. I wish I could get rid of my giant library of content and go back to renting it by the one or two, along with abusive late fees.

No offense, but between this and your passion for various studio dog eggs on release, I have to wonder how green is your astroturf?

Your saying you don't buy and collect Home Media?

I'm saying that I used to, and now I get access to more anime for $10 than I ever did before without spending tens of thousands of dollars. My taste has rapidly improved in that time, since I can just try so many different types out, instead of investing only in what I previously enjoyed.

I'm also saying that most people other than the handful of otaku here, could not afford it. Streaming is much better for virtually everyone who isn't into collecting for the sake of a collection.

As long as the internet is still working properly.

 

[Shiver Me Tits]

At this point Hollywood should just lower the box office standard. Stop expecting every movie to be a billion dollar maker.

And stop bloating Marketing and use cheaper methods of marketing.

I agree totally with the second point, but there's some background stuff working to prevent the first;

Spoiler: Background Stuff

- Studios take much a smaller cut of the first-week ticket sales than they used to, due to a number of theatre chains folding in the 2000s. For example, when Phantom Menace came out, some theatres got to keep literally about 1% of the ticket price during the first week. Nowadays, the deals with theatre chains are more egalitarian (it seems to average at about a 50% split), which is good for theatres and theoretically good for customers of theatres, but means that a film has to make twice as much box office gross as it did in 1999 in order to reach the same profit.

- Films are becoming more expensive to make, for much the same reason that AAA video game releases are - the special effects technology advances, and so does the manpower cost and amount of post-production work required to get the film looking up-to-par.

- While home media has been super important for the past couple decades, DVD sales have been declining in favour of cheaper streaming services, and there's always the looming spectre of internet piracy and/or some technological advancement shaking everything up again; that all combines to make studios more keen on the fast, "guaranteed" box office haul instead of a slow, less-predictable home media profit over ~10 years.

So, yeah. Major franchise films with a $1 bllion target number aren't going away anytime soon.

I do think that these films have a problem with inflated marketing budgets, mainly because no-one should have to spend $150 million dollars [http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2016/04/06/was-the-400-million-warner-bros-paid-for-batman-v-superman-a-good-investment/#54beb7a47d67] marketing a film where Batman fights Superman, for Christ's sake. This is what the internet is for.

Streaming is the devil incarnete. People complain about Games being Always Online DRM yet they can put up with Streaming movies/shows?

Do you come from an alternate reality where most people bought their TV shows outright, and value owning them for long periods of time? I guess you're at least a Millenial, to not realize that the history of television is a history of BROADCAST.

Games have a very different history, so we have a rare moment here, and that is a non-fallacious invocation of the "Apples and Oranges" confusion.

I lived through TV for a long time now. And I am mostly thinking of DVD/Home Media and that streaming is killing it.

DVD/Home media. You mean the multi-billion dollar empire that ended up being mostly Blockbuster?

Oh how liberating. I wish I could get rid of my giant library of content and go back to renting it by the one or two, along with abusive late fees.

No offense, but between this and your passion for various studio dog eggs on release, I have to wonder how green is your astroturf?

Your saying you don't buy and collect Home Media?

I'm saying that I used to, and now I get access to more anime for $10 than I ever did before without spending tens of thousands of dollars. My taste has rapidly improved in that time, since I can just try so many different types out, instead of investing only in what I previously enjoyed.

I'm also saying that most people other than the handful of otaku here, could not afford it. Streaming is much better for virtually everyone who isn't into collecting for the sake of a collection.

As long as the internet is still working properly.

Now you get to give me the scenario in which my internet goes away, and I'm still in a position to be collecting fucking DVD's.

This should be excellent.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

At this point Hollywood should just lower the box office standard. Stop expecting every movie to be a billion dollar maker.

And stop bloating Marketing and use cheaper methods of marketing.

I agree totally with the second point, but there's some background stuff working to prevent the first;

Spoiler: Background Stuff

- Studios take much a smaller cut of the first-week ticket sales than they used to, due to a number of theatre chains folding in the 2000s. For example, when Phantom Menace came out, some theatres got to keep literally about 1% of the ticket price during the first week. Nowadays, the deals with theatre chains are more egalitarian (it seems to average at about a 50% split), which is good for theatres and theoretically good for customers of theatres, but means that a film has to make twice as much box office gross as it did in 1999 in order to reach the same profit.

- Films are becoming more expensive to make, for much the same reason that AAA video game releases are - the special effects technology advances, and so does the manpower cost and amount of post-production work required to get the film looking up-to-par.

- While home media has been super important for the past couple decades, DVD sales have been declining in favour of cheaper streaming services, and there's always the looming spectre of internet piracy and/or some technological advancement shaking everything up again; that all combines to make studios more keen on the fast, "guaranteed" box office haul instead of a slow, less-predictable home media profit over ~10 years.

So, yeah. Major franchise films with a $1 bllion target number aren't going away anytime soon.

I do think that these films have a problem with inflated marketing budgets, mainly because no-one should have to spend $150 million dollars [http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2016/04/06/was-the-400-million-warner-bros-paid-for-batman-v-superman-a-good-investment/#54beb7a47d67] marketing a film where Batman fights Superman, for Christ's sake. This is what the internet is for.

Streaming is the devil incarnete. People complain about Games being Always Online DRM yet they can put up with Streaming movies/shows?

Do you come from an alternate reality where most people bought their TV shows outright, and value owning them for long periods of time? I guess you're at least a Millenial, to not realize that the history of television is a history of BROADCAST.

Games have a very different history, so we have a rare moment here, and that is a non-fallacious invocation of the "Apples and Oranges" confusion.

I lived through TV for a long time now. And I am mostly thinking of DVD/Home Media and that streaming is killing it.

DVD/Home media. You mean the multi-billion dollar empire that ended up being mostly Blockbuster?

Oh how liberating. I wish I could get rid of my giant library of content and go back to renting it by the one or two, along with abusive late fees.

No offense, but between this and your passion for various studio dog eggs on release, I have to wonder how green is your astroturf?

Your saying you don't buy and collect Home Media?

I'm saying that I used to, and now I get access to more anime for $10 than I ever did before without spending tens of thousands of dollars. My taste has rapidly improved in that time, since I can just try so many different types out, instead of investing only in what I previously enjoyed.

I'm also saying that most people other than the handful of otaku here, could not afford it. Streaming is much better for virtually everyone who isn't into collecting for the sake of a collection.

As long as the internet is still working properly.

Now you get to give me the scenario in which my internet goes away, and I'm still in a position to be collecting fucking DVD's.

This should be excellent.

To comprimise I wish for the days of DRM Free digital movies like the same as buying games on GOG.

 

[Shiver Me Tits]

At this point Hollywood should just lower the box office standard. Stop expecting every movie to be a billion dollar maker.

And stop bloating Marketing and use cheaper methods of marketing.

I agree totally with the second point, but there's some background stuff working to prevent the first;

Spoiler: Background Stuff

- Studios take much a smaller cut of the first-week ticket sales than they used to, due to a number of theatre chains folding in the 2000s. For example, when Phantom Menace came out, some theatres got to keep literally about 1% of the ticket price during the first week. Nowadays, the deals with theatre chains are more egalitarian (it seems to average at about a 50% split), which is good for theatres and theoretically good for customers of theatres, but means that a film has to make twice as much box office gross as it did in 1999 in order to reach the same profit.

- Films are becoming more expensive to make, for much the same reason that AAA video game releases are - the special effects technology advances, and so does the manpower cost and amount of post-production work required to get the film looking up-to-par.

- While home media has been super important for the past couple decades, DVD sales have been declining in favour of cheaper streaming services, and there's always the looming spectre of internet piracy and/or some technological advancement shaking everything up again; that all combines to make studios more keen on the fast, "guaranteed" box office haul instead of a slow, less-predictable home media profit over ~10 years.

So, yeah. Major franchise films with a $1 bllion target number aren't going away anytime soon.

I do think that these films have a problem with inflated marketing budgets, mainly because no-one should have to spend $150 million dollars [http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2016/04/06/was-the-400-million-warner-bros-paid-for-batman-v-superman-a-good-investment/#54beb7a47d67] marketing a film where Batman fights Superman, for Christ's sake. This is what the internet is for.

Streaming is the devil incarnete. People complain about Games being Always Online DRM yet they can put up with Streaming movies/shows?

Do you come from an alternate reality where most people bought their TV shows outright, and value owning them for long periods of time? I guess you're at least a Millenial, to not realize that the history of television is a history of BROADCAST.

Games have a very different history, so we have a rare moment here, and that is a non-fallacious invocation of the "Apples and Oranges" confusion.

I lived through TV for a long time now. And I am mostly thinking of DVD/Home Media and that streaming is killing it.

DVD/Home media. You mean the multi-billion dollar empire that ended up being mostly Blockbuster?

Oh how liberating. I wish I could get rid of my giant library of content and go back to renting it by the one or two, along with abusive late fees.

No offense, but between this and your passion for various studio dog eggs on release, I have to wonder how green is your astroturf?

Your saying you don't buy and collect Home Media?

I'm saying that I used to, and now I get access to more anime for $10 than I ever did before without spending tens of thousands of dollars. My taste has rapidly improved in that time, since I can just try so many different types out, instead of investing only in what I previously enjoyed.

I'm also saying that most people other than the handful of otaku here, could not afford it. Streaming is much better for virtually everyone who isn't into collecting for the sake of a collection.

As long as the internet is still working properly.

Now you get to give me the scenario in which my internet goes away, and I'm still in a position to be collecting fucking DVD's.

This should be excellent.

To comprimise I wish for the days of DRM Free digital movies like the same as buying games on GOG.

And when were those mythical days, outside of your imagination?

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

At this point Hollywood should just lower the box office standard. Stop expecting every movie to be a billion dollar maker.

And stop bloating Marketing and use cheaper methods of marketing.

I agree totally with the second point, but there's some background stuff working to prevent the first;

Spoiler: Background Stuff

- Studios take much a smaller cut of the first-week ticket sales than they used to, due to a number of theatre chains folding in the 2000s. For example, when Phantom Menace came out, some theatres got to keep literally about 1% of the ticket price during the first week. Nowadays, the deals with theatre chains are more egalitarian (it seems to average at about a 50% split), which is good for theatres and theoretically good for customers of theatres, but means that a film has to make twice as much box office gross as it did in 1999 in order to reach the same profit.

- Films are becoming more expensive to make, for much the same reason that AAA video game releases are - the special effects technology advances, and so does the manpower cost and amount of post-production work required to get the film looking up-to-par.

- While home media has been super important for the past couple decades, DVD sales have been declining in favour of cheaper streaming services, and there's always the looming spectre of internet piracy and/or some technological advancement shaking everything up again; that all combines to make studios more keen on the fast, "guaranteed" box office haul instead of a slow, less-predictable home media profit over ~10 years.

So, yeah. Major franchise films with a $1 bllion target number aren't going away anytime soon.

I do think that these films have a problem with inflated marketing budgets, mainly because no-one should have to spend $150 million dollars [http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2016/04/06/was-the-400-million-warner-bros-paid-for-batman-v-superman-a-good-investment/#54beb7a47d67] marketing a film where Batman fights Superman, for Christ's sake. This is what the internet is for.

Streaming is the devil incarnete. People complain about Games being Always Online DRM yet they can put up with Streaming movies/shows?

Do you come from an alternate reality where most people bought their TV shows outright, and value owning them for long periods of time? I guess you're at least a Millenial, to not realize that the history of television is a history of BROADCAST.

Games have a very different history, so we have a rare moment here, and that is a non-fallacious invocation of the "Apples and Oranges" confusion.

I lived through TV for a long time now. And I am mostly thinking of DVD/Home Media and that streaming is killing it.

DVD/Home media. You mean the multi-billion dollar empire that ended up being mostly Blockbuster?

Oh how liberating. I wish I could get rid of my giant library of content and go back to renting it by the one or two, along with abusive late fees.

No offense, but between this and your passion for various studio dog eggs on release, I have to wonder how green is your astroturf?

Your saying you don't buy and collect Home Media?

I'm saying that I used to, and now I get access to more anime for $10 than I ever did before without spending tens of thousands of dollars. My taste has rapidly improved in that time, since I can just try so many different types out, instead of investing only in what I previously enjoyed.

I'm also saying that most people other than the handful of otaku here, could not afford it. Streaming is much better for virtually everyone who isn't into collecting for the sake of a collection.

As long as the internet is still working properly.

Now you get to give me the scenario in which my internet goes away, and I'm still in a position to be collecting fucking DVD's.

This should be excellent.

To comprimise I wish for the days of DRM Free digital movies like the same as buying games on GOG.

And when were those mythical days, outside of your imagination?

I never said or implied that DRM Free Digital Films were a thing in the past. I am saying it is something I hope to happen in the future.

 

[Shiver Me Tits]

At this point Hollywood should just lower the box office standard. Stop expecting every movie to be a billion dollar maker.

And stop bloating Marketing and use cheaper methods of marketing.

I agree totally with the second point, but there's some background stuff working to prevent the first;

Spoiler: Background Stuff

- Studios take much a smaller cut of the first-week ticket sales than they used to, due to a number of theatre chains folding in the 2000s. For example, when Phantom Menace came out, some theatres got to keep literally about 1% of the ticket price during the first week. Nowadays, the deals with theatre chains are more egalitarian (it seems to average at about a 50% split), which is good for theatres and theoretically good for customers of theatres, but means that a film has to make twice as much box office gross as it did in 1999 in order to reach the same profit.

- Films are becoming more expensive to make, for much the same reason that AAA video game releases are - the special effects technology advances, and so does the manpower cost and amount of post-production work required to get the film looking up-to-par.

- While home media has been super important for the past couple decades, DVD sales have been declining in favour of cheaper streaming services, and there's always the looming spectre of internet piracy and/or some technological advancement shaking everything up again; that all combines to make studios more keen on the fast, "guaranteed" box office haul instead of a slow, less-predictable home media profit over ~10 years.

So, yeah. Major franchise films with a $1 bllion target number aren't going away anytime soon.

I do think that these films have a problem with inflated marketing budgets, mainly because no-one should have to spend $150 million dollars [http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2016/04/06/was-the-400-million-warner-bros-paid-for-batman-v-superman-a-good-investment/#54beb7a47d67] marketing a film where Batman fights Superman, for Christ's sake. This is what the internet is for.

Streaming is the devil incarnete. People complain about Games being Always Online DRM yet they can put up with Streaming movies/shows?

Do you come from an alternate reality where most people bought their TV shows outright, and value owning them for long periods of time? I guess you're at least a Millenial, to not realize that the history of television is a history of BROADCAST.

Games have a very different history, so we have a rare moment here, and that is a non-fallacious invocation of the "Apples and Oranges" confusion.

I lived through TV for a long time now. And I am mostly thinking of DVD/Home Media and that streaming is killing it.

DVD/Home media. You mean the multi-billion dollar empire that ended up being mostly Blockbuster?

Oh how liberating. I wish I could get rid of my giant library of content and go back to renting it by the one or two, along with abusive late fees.

No offense, but between this and your passion for various studio dog eggs on release, I have to wonder how green is your astroturf?

Your saying you don't buy and collect Home Media?

I'm saying that I used to, and now I get access to more anime for $10 than I ever did before without spending tens of thousands of dollars. My taste has rapidly improved in that time, since I can just try so many different types out, instead of investing only in what I previously enjoyed.

I'm also saying that most people other than the handful of otaku here, could not afford it. Streaming is much better for virtually everyone who isn't into collecting for the sake of a collection.

As long as the internet is still working properly.

Now you get to give me the scenario in which my internet goes away, and I'm still in a position to be collecting fucking DVD's.

This should be excellent.

To comprimise I wish for the days of DRM Free digital movies like the same as buying games on GOG.

And when were those mythical days, outside of your imagination?

I never said or implied that DRM Free Digital Films were a thing in the past. I am saying it is something I hope to happen in the future.

Oh, so you were just dodging my question, "Now you get to give me the scenario in which my internet goes away, and I'm still in a position to be collecting fucking DVD's."

Still waiting on that btw. I don't wish for a future of buying stuff for the sake of buying it, sorry, and I don't anticipate a future without the internet that includes me enjoying anime and games at home somehow.

 

[bastardofmelbourne]

No offense, but between this and your passion for various studio dog eggs on release, I have to wonder how green is your astroturf?

Not as green as yours, Mr. Joined-less-than-a-month-ago.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

At this point Hollywood should just lower the box office standard. Stop expecting every movie to be a billion dollar maker.

And stop bloating Marketing and use cheaper methods of marketing.

I agree totally with the second point, but there's some background stuff working to prevent the first;

Spoiler: Background Stuff

- Studios take much a smaller cut of the first-week ticket sales than they used to, due to a number of theatre chains folding in the 2000s. For example, when Phantom Menace came out, some theatres got to keep literally about 1% of the ticket price during the first week. Nowadays, the deals with theatre chains are more egalitarian (it seems to average at about a 50% split), which is good for theatres and theoretically good for customers of theatres, but means that a film has to make twice as much box office gross as it did in 1999 in order to reach the same profit.

- Films are becoming more expensive to make, for much the same reason that AAA video game releases are - the special effects technology advances, and so does the manpower cost and amount of post-production work required to get the film looking up-to-par.

- While home media has been super important for the past couple decades, DVD sales have been declining in favour of cheaper streaming services, and there's always the looming spectre of internet piracy and/or some technological advancement shaking everything up again; that all combines to make studios more keen on the fast, "guaranteed" box office haul instead of a slow, less-predictable home media profit over ~10 years.

So, yeah. Major franchise films with a $1 bllion target number aren't going away anytime soon.

I do think that these films have a problem with inflated marketing budgets, mainly because no-one should have to spend $150 million dollars [http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2016/04/06/was-the-400-million-warner-bros-paid-for-batman-v-superman-a-good-investment/#54beb7a47d67] marketing a film where Batman fights Superman, for Christ's sake. This is what the internet is for.

Streaming is the devil incarnete. People complain about Games being Always Online DRM yet they can put up with Streaming movies/shows?

Do you come from an alternate reality where most people bought their TV shows outright, and value owning them for long periods of time? I guess you're at least a Millenial, to not realize that the history of television is a history of BROADCAST.

Games have a very different history, so we have a rare moment here, and that is a non-fallacious invocation of the "Apples and Oranges" confusion.

I lived through TV for a long time now. And I am mostly thinking of DVD/Home Media and that streaming is killing it.

DVD/Home media. You mean the multi-billion dollar empire that ended up being mostly Blockbuster?

Oh how liberating. I wish I could get rid of my giant library of content and go back to renting it by the one or two, along with abusive late fees.

No offense, but between this and your passion for various studio dog eggs on release, I have to wonder how green is your astroturf?

Your saying you don't buy and collect Home Media?

I'm saying that I used to, and now I get access to more anime for $10 than I ever did before without spending tens of thousands of dollars. My taste has rapidly improved in that time, since I can just try so many different types out, instead of investing only in what I previously enjoyed.

I'm also saying that most people other than the handful of otaku here, could not afford it. Streaming is much better for virtually everyone who isn't into collecting for the sake of a collection.

As long as the internet is still working properly.

Now you get to give me the scenario in which my internet goes away, and I'm still in a position to be collecting fucking DVD's.

This should be excellent.

To comprimise I wish for the days of DRM Free digital movies like the same as buying games on GOG.

And when were those mythical days, outside of your imagination?

I never said or implied that DRM Free Digital Films were a thing in the past. I am saying it is something I hope to happen in the future.

Oh, so you were just dodging my question, "Now you get to give me the scenario in which my internet goes away, and I'm still in a position to be collecting fucking DVD's."

Still waiting on that btw. I don't wish for a future of buying stuff for the sake of buying it, sorry, and I don't anticipate a future without the internet that includes me enjoying anime and games at home somehow.

No idea how assess the scenario than.

 

[bastardofmelbourne]

A damning accusation, now you just have to find out what product I'm shilling for!

...Or did you just think, "Astroturf" means "New"?
Or were you just being a dick on someone else's behalf, because, "bored"?

Well, I think that - generally speaking - people can express a divisive opinion without needing to be paid first. And that, generally speaking, calling someone a corporate shill on the basis that they disagree with you is...well, at best, it's poor rhetoric. At worst, it's what we on the Internet call a "dick move."

Sorry if I offended you. I just figured that, you know - the likelihood of someone's account being a sock puppet for some marketing intern decreases if it dates back, say, a year or more. Whereas a guy who joined last July...eh. Glass houses, stones, etc.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

A damning accusation, now you just have to find out what product I'm shilling for!

...Or did you just think, "Astroturf" means "New"?
Or were you just being a dick on someone else's behalf, because, "bored"?

Well, I think that - generally speaking - people can express a divisive opinion without needing to be paid first. And that, generally speaking, calling someone a corporate shill on the basis that they disagree with you is...well, at best, it's poor rhetoric. At worst, it's what we on the Internet call a "dick move."

Sorry if I offended you. I just figured that, you know - the likelihood of someone's account being a sock puppet for some marketing intern decreases if it dates back, say, a year or more. Whereas a guy who joined last July...eh. Glass houses, stones, etc.

Well I have been following this site since the earliest days when Yatzhee was still fresh. Even reading the forums so I know handful of people here before I joined up.

Why have I not joined earlier? Something to do with Proxy server that prevent using my account that i am using now then I tried again and now it works..

 

[Metalix Knightmare]

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Star Trek hasn't been in stasis for the past 30 years. Star Trek has been CONSTANTLY shooting out movies, TV shows, games, etc, and it's had it's fair share of flops and missteps.

Edit: Added bonus in that, last I heard, the latest Trek movie hasn't hit China yet which could make up the difference.

In comparison, Ghostbusters hasn't really had crap going on. It had the games released back in I think 09, and the comic series, but beyond that nothing. This movie was the biggest thing to happen with it in frigging YEARS!

Star Trek will survive a movie doing badly. Heck, this isn't even the first time a Trek movie did badly. But Ghostbusters? Not so much.

With merchandising and DVD sales etc added on the movie will make its money back at the very least.

Yep. It SUUUURE will. After all the tie in videogame sure sold well! And a number of stores haven't been putting the toys in the discount bins!

Seriously, if people didn't go to see it in theaters enough to make back the budget, what on EARTH makes you think they're gonna buy enough home copies to make up the difference!?

Dude even Waterworld broke even on VHS. A movie not making it's money back on home video pretty much never happens.

Everyone who thinks they know how this stuff works should read Mark Kermode's The Good, The Bad and The Multiplex.

Well color me surprised then. Thanks for correcting me.

 

[Angelblaze]

So you would burn millions of dollars just to spite a handful of sexist idiots?

Yes.

Please do everyone a favor and stay FAR away from anything involving budget management.

Nah.

The whole thing was basically a disaster from the start: Now that the trainwreck is almost complete, no amount of narrative-spinning is going to save it. The feminists have no clothes, and worse, they're fat tattooed pigs...

Wonderful news all round - One more step to reclaiming our birthright from the cold, clammy hands of the feminists.

And this is why.

Again, you would waste millions and millions of dollars just to spite a handful of sexist trolls. That mentality is what helped lead to Tale of Tales shutting down.

Stay. Away. From budget management. You would do more damage to the feminist movement than 1,000 burnouts simply by associating the brand with box office poison.

1. I'm literally dying of laughter right now

2. Ghostbusters is going to make its money back, even if its on long term dvd sales, netflix licensing and merchandise.

3. Kind of cute how you think I'll listen to you, even when I just don't respect your word so....still no. Will def. go into budget management--except, you know, I'm already the only working person with a stable income in a house of 4 people and have not only been keeping us out of debt but saving up some nice green.

So you know
I'm probably better at this then you.

 

[axlryder]

So you would burn millions of dollars just to spite a handful of sexist idiots?

Yes.

Please do everyone a favor and stay FAR away from anything involving budget management.

Nah.

The whole thing was basically a disaster from the start: Now that the trainwreck is almost complete, no amount of narrative-spinning is going to save it. The feminists have no clothes, and worse, they're fat tattooed pigs...

Wonderful news all round - One more step to reclaiming our birthright from the cold, clammy hands of the feminists.

And this is why.

Again, you would waste millions and millions of dollars just to spite a handful of sexist trolls. That mentality is what helped lead to Tale of Tales shutting down.

Stay. Away. From budget management. You would do more damage to the feminist movement than 1,000 burnouts simply by associating the brand with box office poison.

1. I'm literally dying of laughter right now

Oh shit, she went all Toon Patrol on us. Glad she managed to eek out one more post full of sound and fury before biting the big one.

Hats off.

 

[Metalix Knightmare]

So you would burn millions of dollars just to spite a handful of sexist idiots?

Yes.

Please do everyone a favor and stay FAR away from anything involving budget management.

Nah.

The whole thing was basically a disaster from the start: Now that the trainwreck is almost complete, no amount of narrative-spinning is going to save it. The feminists have no clothes, and worse, they're fat tattooed pigs...

Wonderful news all round - One more step to reclaiming our birthright from the cold, clammy hands of the feminists.

And this is why.

Again, you would waste millions and millions of dollars just to spite a handful of sexist trolls. That mentality is what helped lead to Tale of Tales shutting down.

Stay. Away. From budget management. You would do more damage to the feminist movement than 1,000 burnouts simply by associating the brand with box office poison.

1. I'm literally dying of laughter right now

2. Ghostbusters is going to make its money back, even if its on long term dvd sales, netflix licensing and merchandise.

3. Kind of cute how you think I'll listen to you, even when I just don't respect your word so....still no. Will def. go into budget management--except, you know, I'm already the only working person with a stable income in a house of 4 people and have not only been keeping us out of debt but saving up some nice green.

So you know
I'm probably better at this then you.

If you're better at this than me, by all accounts it's only because you haven't found anyone you would be willing to spend money to spite.

And yeah, it'll most likely make the money back through those avenues, but it's still not gonna change the fact that it flopped hard at the box office. The people funding these things don't tend to give a crap about long term, and they don't give a crap about breaking even. They want profits, and they want them now. Make a few more movies like this and any movie with a feminist message, good or otherwise, is gonna end up getting shafted because the crappy movies kept flopping.

What you propose is the near definition of a Pyrrhic victory.

 

[Angelblaze]

So you would burn millions of dollars just to spite a handful of sexist idiots?

Yes.

Please do everyone a favor and stay FAR away from anything involving budget management.

Nah.

The whole thing was basically a disaster from the start: Now that the trainwreck is almost complete, no amount of narrative-spinning is going to save it. The feminists have no clothes, and worse, they're fat tattooed pigs...

Wonderful news all round - One more step to reclaiming our birthright from the cold, clammy hands of the feminists.

And this is why.

Again, you would waste millions and millions of dollars just to spite a handful of sexist trolls. That mentality is what helped lead to Tale of Tales shutting down.

Stay. Away. From budget management. You would do more damage to the feminist movement than 1,000 burnouts simply by associating the brand with box office poison.

1. I'm literally dying of laughter right now

2. Ghostbusters is going to make its money back, even if its on long term dvd sales, netflix licensing and merchandise.

3. Kind of cute how you think I'll listen to you, even when I just don't respect your word so....still no. Will def. go into budget management--except, you know, I'm already the only working person with a stable income in a house of 4 people and have not only been keeping us out of debt but saving up some nice green.

So you know
I'm probably better at this then you.

If you're better at this than me, by all accounts it's only because you haven't found anyone you would be willing to spend money to spite.

And yeah, it'll most likely make the money back through those avenues, but it's still not gonna change the fact that it flopped hard at the box office. The people funding these things don't tend to give a crap about long term, and they don't give a crap about breaking even. They want profits, and they want them now. Make a few more movies like this and any movie with a feminist message, good or otherwise, is gonna end up getting shafted because the crappy movies kept flopping.

What you propose is the near definition of a Pyrrhic victory.

1. Again, your 'victory' in this argument depends on two things; assuming I'm incompetent and assuming I'd have done both the campaigning and marketing the same. Both coming from a place of spite on your own part, I should think.

2. More of a Gorilla Threshold, really.

 

[Luna Saltatio]

So you would burn millions of dollars just to spite a handful of sexist idiots?

Yes.

Please do everyone a favor and stay FAR away from anything involving budget management.

Nah.

The whole thing was basically a disaster from the start: Now that the trainwreck is almost complete, no amount of narrative-spinning is going to save it. The feminists have no clothes, and worse, they're fat tattooed pigs...

Wonderful news all round - One more step to reclaiming our birthright from the cold, clammy hands of the feminists.

And this is why.

Again, you would waste millions and millions of dollars just to spite a handful of sexist trolls. That mentality is what helped lead to Tale of Tales shutting down.

Stay. Away. From budget management. You would do more damage to the feminist movement than 1,000 burnouts simply by associating the brand with box office poison.

1. I'm literally dying of laughter right now

Oh shit, she went all Toon Patrol on us. Glad she managed to eek out one more post full of sound and fury before biting the big one.

Hats off.

What are you talking about?

 

[Metalix Knightmare]

What are you talking about?

You need to watch Who Framed Roger Rabbit.

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That's not a Godzilla Threshold. A Godzilla Threshold is when the situation is so terrible, and the situation is so dire that ANYTHING that could defeat the problem is now a viable solution no matter how horrible it is. (I.E. Sending the patron saint of collateral damage to fight another giant monster can't possibly make the situation any worse.) Quite frankly the idea that women's rights in this country is so bad that creating a horrible movie to spite a handful of sexist twits is NECESSARY is more than a little laughable.

So no, this would still be very firmly in Pyrrhic Victory territory. A movie was made to basically fight another battle in the gender wars and to spite a bunch of nerds, and in the process it lost 70 million dollars, burned a ton of bridges, cost an already bleeding company to hemorrhage, will send a beloved franchise back into hibernation, and made so many people look like laughingstocks for choosing THIS as their hill to die on. Any more victories like that and feminism will be synonymous with box office poison.

 

[bastardofmelbourne]

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What in the name of flippity-floppity Jesus are you two actually arguing about?

 

[Angelblaze]

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What in the name of flippity-floppity Jesus are you two actually arguing about?

He's desperately trying to insult me.
He doesn't realize I'm not actually caring.
And yeah, still a Gorilla Victory. Write me two more paragraphs about it please, I'll definitely read them.