Girl Gamers - the final discussion

[Danceofmasks]

It's not just a practice thing.
It's a player pool thing.

See, let's say 1 in 1,000 players are good enough to play competitively.
Say, 1 in 10,000 players are good enough to hold their own against the best in the world.

Then, say 200,000 males play your game, and 10,000 females play your game.
Duh, of course the tournaments are going to be dominated by guys.


That's what people don't get about saying stuff like "men are better at X"
For the statistics to be worth a damn, you've got to take a sufficiently large sample size, and if your random sample of an equal number of each sex results in "skill levels are about equal" (and for most games the variation won't be statistically significant) it's irrelevant who gets on the leader boards.

 

[katsumoto03]

Yeah right.

You can get offended that the wind blows and claim you're making the "final discussion" on it, but the wind is going to blow tommorrow whether you like it or not.

I like this metaphor.

OT:

But really, the problem lies with the people who inflate the stereotypes - the guys who go nuts for 'girl gamers', and the girls who exploit it for game items, levelling or just plain attention.

Okay, now you're just stereotyping both the group you're trying to defend, and male gamers. Nice job Broseidon, King of the Brocean.

Gamers have their skills by a combination of reflexes, natural talent, strategy and above all, practice. Neither of these traits are stronger or weaker between the genders.

Well, technically females are more dexterous than males, so they will have more natural talent in this regard... Just saying.

I dated a girl

So I suppose this makes you an expert now? Secondhand experience is not for the win.

Oh wait... You're trollin', ain't'cha?

 

[katsumoto03]

Women are worse at video games. That's not a myth. That's not sexism. That's a fact.

Yes, some women are better than some men, but on average, women have poorer hand eye coordination and do worse in video games.

[HEADING=1]No one cares what your genitals look like or how many X chromozones anyone else has.[/HEADING]

Stop making threads about it.

/thread forever

Apologies for the double post, but I have to point this out...

No, you're wrong. In fact, it's the exact opposite. Women have proven to have better fine motor and hand-eye coordination than men.

 

[Something Amyss]

ITT: "I dated a girl."

You mean they're REAL!? I thought they were the stuff of legend!

 

[katsumoto03]

Women are worse at video games. That's not a myth. That's not sexism. That's a fact.

Yes, some women are better than some men, but on average, women have poorer hand eye coordination and do worse in video games.

[HEADING=1]No one cares what your genitals look like or how many X chromozones anyone else has.[/HEADING]

Stop making threads about it.

/thread forever

Apologies for the double post, but I have to point this out...

No, you're wrong. In fact, it's the exact opposite. Women have proven to have better fine motor and hand-eye coordination than men.

No. Women have better fine detail skills, but lower hand eye.

There's a reason men and women rarely play sport together and a reason men do better at them - and don't give me any of the 'women play less' crap.

But we're not talking about sports here, where men's advantages in size, speed and strength all come into play. While playing video games (console, at least), people tend to only use four to six fingers. The male's natural physical advantages don't come into play here. It all comes down to fine motor skills, which as we already know; females are superior in this regard.

 

[katsumoto03]

The internet. It is silly.

(Random double post out of nowhere...)

 

[michael87cn]

Hmmmm. Been thinking if I want to post in this thread or not. Guess I'll put in my 2 cents.

I believe that girls can be just as good as guys at video games, sure. However I don't believe as many women are interested in video games as guys. At least not the kind that we enjoy.

I think the problem stems from people imagining a girl playing something like Gears of War. I don't think many women get off on that type of game, when for the most part, most guys do. (except those like me, who don't like pointless kill die spawn repeat games, but that's a different story).

In addition, female MMO gamers play for very different reasons than men. Men grind, farm, pvp to get riches and become powerful. Women like shopping on the AH, collecting herbs, and just running around and experiencing the game world. I realize I just made a BIG generalization, but how can I not? That's been my experience with women in MMOs for the past 10+ years. I can't just look at all of that experience and say "Nope, can't be true".

 

[katsumoto03]

snip.

No. You are wrong. Period.

[blockquote]

"Study participants were instructed to click as many balls as possible; they weren't told that they could gain or lose territory depending on what they did with the balls. Reiss said all participants quickly learned the point of the game, and the male and female participants wound up clicking on the same number of balls. The men, however, wound up gaining a significantly greater amount of space than the women. That's because the men identified which balls?the ones closest to the "wall"?would help them acquire the most space if clicked."

[/blockquote]

-http://news.stanford.edu/news/2008/february6/med-video-020608.html

[blockquote]

"The study findings appear to confirm that males have better hand-eye coordination and spatial reckoning skills,"

[/blockquote]

-http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/news/353004,better-women-study-confirms.html

[blockquote]

"[Men] generally score higher than women on tests of hand/eye coordination."

[/blockquote]

-http://www.helium.com/items/1089338-men

Touché, mon ami.

Also, do I detect a touch of hostility?

Edit: Okay, I have to ask. What's up with you? Your profile says you're female, but you seem to always be arguing for male superiority. What gives?

 

[kittii-chan 300]

ITT: "I dated a girl."

what's your point?

OT:this will not be the final discussion about female gamers, trust me.

 

[Manji187]

Heh..OP you must be one of those people saying stuff like "And that's final!"

Only it never is, especially after THAT is said...unless you're holding someone at gunpoint

 

[Nimcha]

snip.

No. You are wrong. Period.

[blockquote]

"Study participants were instructed to click as many balls as possible; they weren't told that they could gain or lose territory depending on what they did with the balls. Reiss said all participants quickly learned the point of the game, and the male and female participants wound up clicking on the same number of balls. The men, however, wound up gaining a significantly greater amount of space than the women. That's because the men identified which balls?the ones closest to the "wall"?would help them acquire the most space if clicked."

[/blockquote]

-http://news.stanford.edu/news/2008/february6/med-video-020608.html

[blockquote]

"The study findings appear to confirm that males have better hand-eye coordination and spatial reckoning skills,"

[/blockquote]

-http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/news/353004,better-women-study-confirms.html

[blockquote]

"[Men] generally score higher than women on tests of hand/eye coordination."

[/blockquote]

-http://www.helium.com/items/1089338-men

Touché, mon ami.

Also, do I detect a touch of hostility?

Edit: Okay, I have to ask. What's up with you? Your profile says you're female, but you seem to always be arguing for male superiority. What gives?

My gender means very little too me. Well, no one's gender means anything to me, really. I've never cared or thought about the sexes much. Male, female, both, neither, black, white, blue - I don't take notice.

Yet you seem to have studies on difference in hand-eye coordination between males and females handy. For someone who doesn't care, that seems odd.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

If you don't want us singled out why the hell do people make threads about it. Just leave us alone and stop poking us :<

As for leaderboards how the hell do you know they aren't girls? Doesn't everyone on xbox have a ridiculously obscure tag.

I have been discussing playing online FPS games with a friend recently, I rock at LFD but I'm pretty ashamed to admit the that thought of starting to play TF2 or COD against men who have been playing for ages scares the bejesus out of me. I'm probably gonna suck and when they hear the female voice on comms they are probably gonna rip me apart arent't they? Not to mention my anxiety will probably make me play even more like a retard.

I know, I'm such a coward.

Edit: Team Fortress looks like so much fun too D:

 

[Jonluw]

Girls may have the same abilities and potential, but they are not being treated equally, and they are in quite a peculiar predicament, being part of a group that is composed practically only of males but actually isn't.
Thinking that you will manage to end the discussion around women on the gaming scene with your observation that girls can be as good at games as boys (no shit) is truly naive, and missing the point of the discussion completely.

 

[AceAngel]

What I am more disappointed in is the lack of girls who enjoy PC gaming or that have a PSN account. I don't care for neither mind you, but a large number of girls seems to go for the X360, and last I recall, unless girls love Halo and Marcu Fenix, there is something else going on...

They don't even have a Wii for Pete's Holy Jumping Sake!

Anyway, personally, I find it bothersome on how many people like to nitpick on the last 3 Star Wars and lack in giving the explanation of why. Personally, the comment of Darth Vader being a sissy doesn't fly. He was young and got corrupted, found out that his family died because of him through proxy but doesn't want to accept it. In the last 3, he essentially turns on his own father figure, just as much his own son turned on his father, to essentially prove and make up for not being a man. He decided in the last moments to do the only thing he could as a person to save his child, and make it up to him.

All this wouldn't have made sense if the first 3 had Mr. Blondie being a hard arse...also, I love cake.