Give me a reason to play Dota 2 (EDIT: entire new OP)

[Vigormortis]

Oh, and denying, never understood the reason behind allowing it.

Denying is actually pretty damned important. Denying creeps prevents the enemy hero from getting the gold from the creep, and gives them reduced xp. If you're good enough, you can have a one or two level advantage over the opponent in the LANING phase, which can be massive.

Against heroes who thrive off early farm and levels, it can absolutely devastate them and reduce their effectiveness for the entire game. Heroes like Tiny/Pebbles who shine when they have that early blink and level advantage? Absolutely gone.

Also, denying pulls the creep wave closer to your tower, so you can stay relatively safe next to it. And anyone diving the tower can be met with your allies teleporting in to save your ass much quicker than if you were pushed up.

And also, the guy who said Riki was overpowered? Tell me how overpowered he is when he's HARD countered by an item which costs 100 gold and is frequently bought by players. And countering Pudge is done easily as well. Hook? Meet creep wave. DERP!

Wait...someone thought Riki was OP?

Really?!

Hahahahhhahahaaahahaha.....

Sorry, but that's rich. I mean, he's powerful, sure. But OP? That's a joke.

There's not one but three inexpensive, basic items in the game that counter his ult. And, that's not counting abilities, AoEs, and true-sight granted by friendly structures.

OP? Sounds to me like either someone has never actually played against Riki or was on a team that fed the hell out of Riki, who was probably the other teams hard-carry, and repeatedly died to him because someone forgot to buy Dust.

Well the reason i want to play DoTa2 (having played neither DoTa nor LoL for an extended time) is that a game with a steep learning curve usually has a bigger payoff at it's "peak" than a game that is easy to get in to.

But i get where you comming from or as TB said in some video

"Why would i want to play game xxx when i have learned to play LoL why should i go through the learning process all over again when i learned LoL"

(well he didn't say that word for word but something along those lines...i guess you get the point though)

To be fair, though, coming from TB it's kind of meaningless.

I mean, if the games had been reversed; i.e. Dota 2 by Riot and LoL by Valve; TB would be lamenting about how shit LoL is and saying things like, "Why would anyone stick with LoL when Dota 2 is so much better."

The man has a colossal stick up his ass when it comes to Valve. He just loves to hate them. It's like he feeds on the hatred, as if he needs it to survive.

 

[CpT_x_Killsteal]

someone who's a bit of a DOTA 2 fanboy,

A BIT of a fanboy?!?! right...

Do you have anything of value to say? Any good arguments? Something funny maybe? ...No? Then why are you posting?

Your obvious defence against criticisms against DoTA2 is that it's in it's beta stages. Then you compare it LoL and start hitting with a dildo wrapped in barbed wire. It's like you think anyone who says anything bad about DoTA 2 is wrong because you're a fanboy.

 

[NerfedFalcon]

Okay. So you think I'm a casual cancer as well as my IRL friend who gave me the game. That's what I got out of that massive wall of text you posted. And here I thought it was a vocal minority of Dota 2 players who think that anyone who plays any other MOBA doesn't deserve to own a PC. Well, guess I was wrong - and that's just one more reason not to change.

Um.... Ok?

Please explain how you got that out of my post.

You seriously can't tell how condescending you were being? Every single thing you told me about the game and my experience amounted to "Your problems were nothing to do with the bad interface and everything to do with your being stupid." I did also ask for reasons to play Dota 2, and not reasons to stop playing League of Legends.

 

[Patrick Buck]

Becuase you might find it fun.

/Thread.

Ok, I haven't played either, but why try any game? To see if you like it. You can either not enjoy it, and never play it again.
Or enjoy it, and play it again, and have fun.
What's there to lose, 'part from the hour or two you take first trying it out?

 

[NerfedFalcon]

Becuase you might find it fun.

/Thread.

Ok, I haven't played either, but why try any game? To see if you like it. You can either not enjoy it, and never play it again.
Or enjoy it, and play it again, and have fun.
What's there to lose, 'part from the hour or two you take first trying it out?

I already have tried it out, and I didn't enjoy it much. Given that the community at the level where they really appreciate it is like...well, look at all the 'affirmative' posts and you'll see what I mean. If that's what it's like to really be 'into' Dota 2, that's actually turning me away from the game.

Then again, now that I KNOW stuff like right clicking to buy items and that there's a picking interface that isn't a total clusterf***... That's why I made the thread in the first place. But the elitists have just ruined everything that was left.

Good job, guys. Wonder if Demigod is any good...Heck, even Newerth - I've heard the community isn't as large, but it should at least contain some decent people.

 

[Padwolf]

One exception. Templar Assassin. She's pretty cool looking with her invisiblity, God Mode, blade thingies and traps. I like her facination with secrets mainly though. Reminds me of me

She's no Irelia though. Nowhere near. Love that girl <3

[sub]You rely on your weapons too much... Try letting go![/sub]


This is all a moot point anyway, since my laptop can't run DOTA 2 for shit. You need to down the settings to lowest so everything is a mess of polygons. Perfectly functional polygons mind. However half the fun in these games is seeing all the cool effects spells have so fuck that.

Shocking as this may be to some people, but I would be perfectly happy with splitting my time between both DOTA 2 and LoL. I think I would enjoy DOTA but why should I have to "switch over" completely at all? There's room in this world for both y'know.

Hells yeah, Irelia is the best

But yeah, pretty much this, there is room in the world for both games, if you want to play more of Dota 2 then you could, you don't have to switch over completely. Just enjoy both. I have not played on Dota, I can't get a beta invite. I would like to try it, but I don't plan on leaving LoL. I love Irelia too much for that. And Mundo.

 

[Kopikatsu]

Becuase you might find it fun.

/Thread.

Ok, I haven't played either, but why try any game? To see if you like it. You can either not enjoy it, and never play it again.
Or enjoy it, and play it again, and have fun.
What's there to lose, 'part from the hour or two you take first trying it out?

I already have tried it out, and I didn't enjoy it much. Given that the community at the level where they really appreciate it is like...well, look at all the 'affirmative' posts and you'll see what I mean. If that's what it's like to really be 'into' Dota 2, that's actually turning me away from the game.

Then again, now that I KNOW stuff like right clicking to buy items and that there's a picking interface that isn't a total clusterf***... That's why I made the thread in the first place. But the elitists have just ruined everything that was left.

Good job, guys. Wonder if Demigod is any good...Heck, even Newerth - I've heard the community isn't as large, but it should at least contain some decent people.

If you're looking for an MOBA, why not look into Super Monday Night Combat? The player count is pretty low at the moment, but that's mostly because the devs have stopped advertising it or anything entirely until they finish porting the game over to a new version of the Unreal Engine and add more polish/improve new user experience (Getting it to a new version of UE should only be another week or so)

But still...TPS-based MOBA. What's not to like? Also, some of the guys on SMNC's dev team actually worked on Demigod.

 

[bafrali]

If you wanna play it safe, play LoL. If everyone did everything their friends dared them to do, world population wouldn't reach the numbers of today...

Actually do play Dota 2. Let's see how this experiment turns out.

 

[NerfedFalcon]

If you're looking for an MOBA, why not look into Super Monday Night Combat? The player count is pretty low at the moment, but that's mostly because the devs have stopped advertising it or anything entirely until they finish porting the game over to a new version of the Unreal Engine and add more polish/improve new user experience (Getting it to a new version of UE should only be another week or so)

But still...TPS-based MOBA. What's not to like? Also, some of the guys on SMNC's dev team actually worked on Demigod.

I actually played a little bit of Super MNC after my first attempt at LoL didn't really work out. Uninstalled after I gave LoL another shot and found myself enjoying it a lot more (that was after playing Torchlight, BTW - and during Darius' first free week.) I actually won a couple of games using the Tank class, and enjoyed it quite a bit. Thanks for reminding me - I'm just reinstalling it now.

Who's on rotation, and who do you recommend to someone who doesn't really know what they're doing? (By the same token, who's the game's Ashe i.e. best one to buy first?)

 

[Rednog]

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I still laugh my ass off when you post almost the exact same thing when it comes to league of legends over and over.
I don't know what ax you have to grind, but I think it's funny I've seen pretty much the exact same post at least 5-6 times; might want to fix those blatant inaccuracies.

Look up what pay to win is, arguing that League is in any way pay 2 win is absolute nonsense. There are no flat out advantages you can buy over another player. Runes are only bought with points that you get for playing the game, you can't buy them with money. And even most people have full runes pages, so I don't see where there is this mythical pay 2 win/cash shop you constantly decry LoL for having.

Rant about no mana burn or good disables...yea might want to check out those champ abilites again...there are an insane amount of diverse abilities/disables. Oh so what there is no mana burn, considering a heafty chunk of the champs in leauge don't have mana I'd hate to be rolling a champ with mana burn. And even then why does 1 MOBA game have to have the exact same ability as another?

Then some rant about blink? Yea there is no "blink" ability in league. Though an item with blink in it that has an obscenely short cooldown does come to mind...it's in DOTA though...

The rest is just rant.

I'm sorry but have you honestly ever played more than a few matches of League of Legends...because the way you rant about it sounds like you've played very little if any of league at all.

 

[NerfedFalcon]

If you don't want to hear why people prefer DOTA over LoL, I suggest you don't open a thread about it. The fact of the matter is DOTA is the more complex game. You might still like LoL more, which is fine, but if you don't want to hear it, just play LoL and don't ask.

So you're saying that saying "LoL is bad and you should feel bad" isn't also kicking a hornet's nest?

 

[Lyri]

A friend of mine got me a beta key for the game because he thinks that I'm a casual cancer for still playing LoL, even though Dota 2 still isn't out of 'open' beta. So I eventually managed to get a game (seriously, the accept/decline thing is something that should be erased from existence in every universe) and from what I could tell, it was basically LoL except much, much more obtuse. It doesn't have a learning curve so much as a learning brick wall that starts from the instant you boot up the game - especially since the difficulty options outright lie. It should be more along the lines of 'Normal mode: I have played DotA: Allstars.'
You're right the difficulty selection is poorly worded at the start, common sense however would point you in the direction of picking beginner if you haven't played DotA before. A little searching on google will point out the differences of everything from other mobas.

Nobody thinks that I Wanna Be The Guy is a well-designed game for anything except making LP'ers cry. Why does Dota 2 get away with stuff like only having one way to do everything and no hints as to what that way is? That was everything I gleaned from one game, and based solely on that, I don't think it's worth my time to try again. First impressions last, after all.
You're judging the game based on one game? You can't do that.
Your opinion of the game at this point is basically invalid because you know nothing about the game at all, as you admitted the game has a learning "brick wall".
DotA wasn't designed to be a pick up and play game, League of Legends did that with their design choice by simplifying the game so that with a couple of games under your belt you could understand how things work.
DotA is a game that rewards understanding and knowledge, it is the moba version of Starcraft where playing one game offers you no insight into how the game works at all. If you're actually interested in playing the game, then get reading one of the plethora of guides on the internet and then get back to playing.


But in the interest of being fair to a game that's still in 'beta', please give me one good reason (no, 'it's better than LoL because I say so' is not a good reason) to give it a second chance.
Valve admitted the game is basically out of beta at this point. You should also give it a second chance because the game is not designed to be a plug and play game. Give it the respect it deserves instead of demanding the game bend to suit you.

Edit: Somehow, all of you missed the point of this thread. Instead of making me want to play the game, now that I know that the community is worse than Xbox Live, I only hate it more. Great job.

Read the bold text, lol at the edit. Moba communities have always been known for having a shitfest community.

Also DotA 2 Escapist group is here.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/view/DotA-2

 

[NerfedFalcon]

So you're saying that saying "LoL is bad and you should feel bad" isn't also kicking a hornet's nest?

When did I say that?

Look at your first post again.

 

[NerfedFalcon]

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Now that I've already locked in at the wrong difficulty though because common sense would dictate that the game means what it says, the game is now completely ruined and I will never enjoy it. Like if you die once, then you get denied for the rest of the game and never catch back up. Also, you say that one game isn't enough. Maybe for the nuances - but the arcane method of buying items (or rather that it is arcane) is not exactly a nuance.

How long has this game been in beta, again? Certainly long enough for a total of about $5 million in tournament prize pools. For a game that's in beta. Don't you think at least some of that prize money could have been spent on a tutorial?