Going back to being just plain, normal gamers.

[Jamcie Kerbizz]

...or rather, continue being normal and shedding off extremists.
Support Troy and his voice. It will make a difference to put things back in place. With focus on fun&quality in development, openess and growth of the hobby and healthy, normal inner environment gaming use to have (outer perception of games and gamers never been healthy, normal or good).

 

[McMarbles]

Sounds like that nasty "identity politics" to me.

 

[Saelune]

Maybe people should stop complaining about a word that just means you play video games regularly?

Chefs dont throw off the chef label just cause sometimes people get food poisoning. Just cook your damn food right!

 

[Neurotic Void Melody]

#itsoktobehuman

Attaching an entertainment hobby then making it the backbone of one's identity seems a bit short-sighted and insecure. Am I a filmer? A walker? A drinker? A compulsive cunter?

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

I'm not even sure what that's about (I have no intention to watch youtube arguments or whatever) but quite frankly normal people never had an issue with this. I just go around freely considering myself a gamer and not worrying about this stuff outside these forums

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

Eh jeez, can we just forget about Anita? She's over and done with! She got her Patreon money, cancelled her project and went to the bank.

We were never not gamers. There were just poisonous people, purposefully dividing us to profit off of fear from gamers who were convinced they were a minority under attack.
Just go play games. I hear Bendy and the Ink Machine is fun in a Amnesia meets Cuphead way...

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

Sounds like that nasty "identity politics" to me.

Frankly I find it funny all these videogamers pretending to own the term 'gamer'.

I hate fake gamer types...

Back in my day it just meant gamblers, boardgamers and tabletop roleplaying games. You know... real gamers.

When the fuck did these filthy casuals start pretending they were gamers?[/sarc]

 

[Trunkage]

Eh jeez, can we just forget about Anita? She's over and done with! She got her Patreon money, cancelled her project and went to the bank.

We were never not gamers. There were just poisonous people, purposefully dividing us to profit off of fear from gamers who were convinced they were a minority under attack.
Just go play games. I hear Bendy and the Ink Machine is fun in a Amnesia meets Cuphead way...

This pretty much sums me up. How much of a snowflake do you have to be cry so much over a criticism? You aren't defined by what others say, you are defined by what you believe.

 

[Chewster]

Dawg, like 99% of my gamer friends have/had no idea what the hell any of this shit is. Know why? They're too busy playing games and doing adult stuff.

There is no way in fuck I'm watching a Goddamn 20 minute video titled "It's OK to be a gamer". It's always been OK to be a gamer. It never stopped being OK. What's it's not OK to be is abusive shithead who harasses people from behind a keyboard or headset just because you can or because someone said something you don't like about your favorite game/game developer/YouTube gaming celeb.

This is almost as bad as that #gamerlivesmatter thread from a while back. If you want to just play games and avoid the politics then fucking do it already. Nobody in the real world gives a shit that you play games because it isn't the 1980s anymore and practically everyone games these days. Even when I was growing up in the mid-90s, everyone I knew had a Genesis or a SNES. This persecution complex nonsense needs to stop.

 

[Worgen]

Eh jeez, can we just forget about Anita? She's over and done with! She got her Patreon money, cancelled her project and went to the bank.

We were never not gamers. There were just poisonous people, purposefully dividing us to profit off of fear from gamers who were convinced they were a minority under attack.
Just go play games. I hear Bendy and the Ink Machine is fun in a Amnesia meets Cuphead way...

She never canceled her project, she finished it despite all the hate. She made some good points, exaggerated some points too but was ultimately harmless for the waifu crowed, although she does seem to have made a difference since it seems like we are seeing more females and options for females in games now.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

Eh jeez, can we just forget about Anita? She's over and done with! She got her Patreon money, cancelled her project and went to the bank.

We were never not gamers. There were just poisonous people, purposefully dividing us to profit off of fear from gamers who were convinced they were a minority under attack.
Just go play games. I hear Bendy and the Ink Machine is fun in a Amnesia meets Cuphead way...

She never canceled her project, she finished it despite all the hate. She made some good points, exaggerated some points too but was ultimately harmless for the waifu crowed, although she does seem to have made a difference since it seems like we are seeing more females and options for females in games now.

It's not that I don't think she made good points, it's that the suits who listened to her, and the special interests who funded her, have left gaming in a worse state for it.
She started in 2009. Same year Dragon Age, Arkham Asylum, League of Legends, and freaking Minecraft came out!
And while it's unfair to blame all the current problems on her, certainly the suits over reacted to her perceived problems. Games like Mass Effect Andromeda and Assassin's Creed Unity I hold as a desperate reaction to criticism from her and those like her.

Things weren't perfect before her, but they were certainly better than gaming after her.

 

[Worgen]

Eh jeez, can we just forget about Anita? She's over and done with! She got her Patreon money, cancelled her project and went to the bank.

We were never not gamers. There were just poisonous people, purposefully dividing us to profit off of fear from gamers who were convinced they were a minority under attack.
Just go play games. I hear Bendy and the Ink Machine is fun in a Amnesia meets Cuphead way...

She never canceled her project, she finished it despite all the hate. She made some good points, exaggerated some points too but was ultimately harmless for the waifu crowed, although she does seem to have made a difference since it seems like we are seeing more females and options for females in games now.

It's not that I don't think she made good points, it's that the suits who listened to her, and the special interests who funded her, have left gaming in a worse state for it.
She started in 2009. Same year Dragon Age, Arkham Asylum, League of Legends, and freaking Minecraft came out!
And while it's unfair to blame all the current problems on her, certainly the suits over reacted to her perceived problems. Games like Mass Effect Andromeda and Assassin's Creed Unity I hold as a desperate reaction to criticism from her and those like her.

Things weren't perfect before her, but they were certainly better than gaming after her.

So then you don't think females needed better representation in gaming? The only reason anyone listened to her is because of the haters, without that she would have been a blip, because of it, she was much more.

Your point here makes no sense what so ever. Why just this year we got Battlerite, Hollow Knight, Wolfenstein 2, Divinity original sin 2 and Strafe.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

It's not that I don't think she made good points, it's that the suits who listened to her, and the special interests who funded her, have left gaming in a worse state for it.
She started in 2009. Same year Dragon Age, Arkham Asylum, League of Legends, and freaking Minecraft came out!
And while it's unfair to blame all the current problems on her, certainly the suits over reacted to her perceived problems. Games like Mass Effect Andromeda and Assassin's Creed Unity I hold as a desperate reaction to criticism from her and those like her.

Things weren't perfect before her, but they were certainly better than gaming after her.

Ha! So ... what exactly can ypu attribute to her criticism? Seriously? I mean the videogame industry is progressively shittier but I don't think of Assassin's Creed as being awful because of Anita's commentary. I see it as being awful because of Ubisoft. Ditto Mass Effect. Ditto anything with lootboxes. Ditto Diablo auction houses. Ditto whatever bullshit garbage that the VGI wants to put over a growing number of; "I'll buy it on sale..." crowds.

Please tell me one, one aspect that Anita's commentary contributed to the growing bullshit of an industry seriously facing a crisis of market loyalty and diminishing total consumption. Is this going to be another "She didn't make things better, ergo she's responsible for making things worse" arguments?

Because if it is, IDNTTYH fucking stupid that sounds.

Anita wrote barebones commentary nobody listened to barring those that had a hate boner for her. After all, plenty of commentary on the depiction of people in videogames (and media in general) before her, didn't tank the videogame market. There's nothing wrong with wsnting a more inclusive VGI. It hasn't hurt any other industry in the world having more womz in the marketplace (in fact, concludive evidence it's promoted total productivity by not hsmstringibg one hslf of thr entire possible workforce participation) ... yet the VGI is somehow so weak not to emulate these trends found elsewhere?

Visual arts scene in general used to be populated by angry white guys. Now it's not. Visual arts scene hasn't died.

Maybe, just maybe, Anita isn't so powerful to either save the industry, nor condemn it to the sands of time?

Frankly it was commentary like this that put her on a fucking pedastal, and rather than admit she wasn't one of the four riders of the gaming apocalypse, you inevitably gave her more political capital than she ever would have had if shr were like every other commentator talking about representation in the VGI.

So congratulations on that.

Now maybe we can focus on inhouse cleaning to get rid of excessive microtransactions, lootboxes, Day 1 patches, PS Store server throttling, and other ugly industry ideas of customer """service""".

 

[Elvis Starburst]

Dawg, like 99% of my gamer friends have/had no idea what the hell any of this shit is. Know why? They're too busy playing games and doing adult stuff.

There is no way in fuck I'm watching a Goddamn 20 minute video titled "It's OK to be a gamer". It's always been OK to be a gamer. It never stopped being OK. What's it's not OK to be is abusive shithead who harasses people from behind a keyboard or headset just because you can or because someone said something you don't like about your favorite game/game developer/YouTube gaming celeb.

This is almost as bad as that #gamerlivesmatter thread from a while back. If you want to just play games and avoid the politics then fucking do it already. Nobody in the real world gives a shit that you play games because it isn't the 1980s anymore and practically everyone games these days. Even when I was growing up in the mid-90s, everyone I knew had a Genesis or a SNES. This persecution complex nonsense needs to stop.

Completely nailed this one on the head, my thoughts exactly. People in the real world concerned about this kind of crap are probably the ones throwing a hissy fit online about it as well. Just play games... Fuck

 

[Dalisclock]

And while it's unfair to blame all the current problems on her, certainly the suits over reacted to her perceived problems. Games like Mass Effect Andromeda and Assassin's Creed Unity I hold as a desperate reaction to criticism from her and those like her.

Things weren't perfect before her, but they were certainly better than gaming after her.

Wait, how did she help mess up Andromeda and Unity? Because IIRC, Unity had some serious bugginess(Missing Faces, falling through the ground, etc), a boring ass story and completely failed at making the French Revelation interesting(a feat in itself).

Andromeda, on the other hand, suffered from squandering half it's development cycle trying to figure out what they wanted to do and then trying to rush the other half, trying to adapt Frostbite to an RPG(which isn't suited to RPGs, apparently) and being done by the Bioware C team.

I didn't realize Anita was such an Illuminatiequse puppet master that she can get two major companies to screw up their major titles so badly.

 

[Jamcie Kerbizz]

In short:
Troy is a game developer that worked for Disney at times of Sarkeesian's project (meaning he was not allowed to address her work).
He wasn't part of GG or anti-GG.
Once he left his position he reached out to Anita to discuss her work but unsurprisingly got ignored (if anything he's late to the party like 5 years?).

He started to churn out commentary on his channel about media coverage of gaming (as a hobby, NOT identity, why some of you are bent on bottling someone enjoying something as someone's identity?). He offers always verbatim description on how he reached given conclusion on various subjects he covered and is pretty open to change his mind or agree to disagree (i.e. likes/pinss comments of people who politely tell him he is completely wrong on something or offer information that undermine his conclusion).

tldw;
in this video he sums up his content so far and offers to provide reasonable counterpoints to 3 media narratives:
(1) People playing video games are mysoginists or racists
(2) Game development is hostile towards women and minorities
(3) GG was primarily about harassing women
pretty much he reaches out and proposes his porfessional, industry insider perspective on these to any mass media outlet interested.

I don't agree with him on few of his points but I lack any solid actual counter arguments to ones he gave. However I think his voice should be heard in media when discussing games as a hobby and the way he works on subject, investigates it and presents his views is something I would expect from people who call themselves now gaming journalists. You don't need to reach same conclusions, just put in same amount of effort, have principles and decent amount of personal culture (so drama/smear pieces would not be a thing).

Oh and if you disagree with his viewpoints and have verifiable information, that stays in opposition to his conclusion, you should just approach him. And don't freak out when you will be asked for substance to back your claims. He's not someone who will jump your throat just because you have no evidence but will not sway his opinion either if all you have is personal feelings about given subject.


PS.
I think I wrote it somewhere before but I'd love if Troy, Jim (Sterling) and John (Bain) would colaborate (well John and Jim do that from time to time) to create weekly content togeather (on Escapist to boot!). They have various perspectives on facets of game's industry and the hobby but they are all in the same spot when it comes to consumer rights and hobby's image in mass media.

 

[Ogoid]

This pretty much sums me up. How much of a snowflake do you have to be cry so much over a criticism? You aren't defined by what others say, you are defined by what you believe.

You could very well ask that question of her holiness Beata Anita, as Troy pointed out only two minutes into the video. I mean, in her own words,

They are not critics, they are harassers, so... we'll be very clear on that issue, and no, I have no interest in talking to them.

so there you have it. Criticism is harassment, and no, there's no discussion to be had. Just Listen and Believe, you horrible misogynist, you.

As for me, chalk it up to a generally prickly and quarrelsome personality if you must, but having my moral character called into question over the make believe clothes on the make believe backs of the make believe people (or similarly meaningless trivialities) in mass media I may or may not consume is something than tends to annoy me; particularly when the slightest breath of anything that might be construed as disagreement is treated by an ever-complying, supposedly professional media, as ironclad proof of not only her holiness's claims, but of their very necessity as well.

The last time [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fredric_Wertham] a con-artist quack rode a wave of moral hysteria into fame and fortune over the evils of mass media entertainment, a medium I really care about was reduced [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comics_Code_Authority] to a sanitized, homogenized, perpetually infantilized shadow of its former self. I'd rather not see it happen again.

 

[gigastar]

Just Listen and Believe, you horrible misogynist, you.

Oh but remember if you do just Listen and Believe she will still call you a Garbage Human for just being there.

 

[Catnip1024]

Chefs dont throw off the chef label just cause sometimes people get food poisoning. Just cook your damn food right!

But chefs will violently disagree over who gets to be called a chef. You get this sort everywhere.

 

[Xprimentyl]

Am I a filmer? A walker? A drinker? A compulsive cunter?

Hey, I?m a drinker; I think the clinical term is ?alcoholic,? high-fushuning, shank you very mush.