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Woodsey said:
The plot is incoherent in a number of places and of the major quests in the game is cut halfway through (the HK factory) with no indication that you can't get any further.

KotOR has a simpler plot, but it handles it with finesse and is widely considered to have one of the best twists in gaming.

KotOR 2's twist is ruined in the menu screen, and hinted at with the subtly of a jackhammer. I.e. Kreia is going to betray you. (Kind of).
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I don't think that Kreia being a Sith and a nasty old crone ever was a plot twist or meant to be. It was obvious early on and never a big secret.
The surprise is in why she was helping you.

Still a mediocre game. Both.
Thanks for the spoilers!
 

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I hate to say it, but DDR X in the arcade. Supernova 2 was pretty much perfect. While the game itself was fine, the new "upgraded" machine outside of Japan made the game literally unplayable because the pads kept sticking every five seconds.

Also Modern Warfare 2. Everyone's already said why. No point me saying it now is there?
 

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Ephraim J. Witchwood said:
Every Final Fantasy game after...oh wait, they all suck.
Anyways, I gotta give it to all the Pokemon games after Pokemon Gold, Silver, and Crystal. Though the worst out of those is a tie between Diamond and Pearl.
I played Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald, and I thought, "Can't get any worse than this!"
Damned optimism...
I agree with you completely (well, except for the Final Fantasy bit).

Danzaivar said:
What about the pokémon games has gotten worse though? The only thing that changes is they introduce a batch of new pokémon which people aren't familiar with. Everything else just seems to get polished and improved.

I mean is it just 'I don't like the new pokémon they added', or is it something else that I'm missing?
Well, quite a few things, actually. I will admit that each new game does bring new features and Pokemon, but they also drop or blatantly recycle other features, and God knows we already have enough Pokemon. (what are we up to now? 600? 800?) For instance:
--Gold/Silver/Crystal featured a real time clock and a day/night cycle, with nocturnal Pokemon that only came out at night (like Hoothoot). Then Ruby and Sapphire came along, and completely dropped the whole day/night cycle feature.
--Gold/Silver/Crystal did reuse the idea of Team Rocket, but they handled it well. You found Team Rocket hiding away in Johto, severely weakened by the events of Red/Blue. There were obvious connections to the events of two years past, and the higher ups were still trying to recover from having been beaten in Kanto and losing Giovanni. They also had obvious, perfectly acceptable motivations: they were in it for the money. In Ruby/Sapphire, you find Team Aqua and Team Magma. They're not directly connected to Team Rocket, so you're left thinking "Oh boy, another team. Yawn." They also have crazy, unbelievable motivations. One wants to turn the whole planet into land, the other wants to turn it all to sea? What the hell? Why would ANYONE attempt this?
--Ruby/Sapphire added new Pokemon, but wasn't quite at the point of impossibility. My memory is a bit fuzzy, but I THINK Ruby/Sapphire didn't feature the previous Pokemon from Johto and Kanto in its Pokedex. This made sense, since it took place in the new region of...Hoenn, I think? Then older games were also from a different generation of Gameboy, so you couldn't trade. If the later games had stayed like this, it wouldn't be such a pain to catch them all. But then Emerald came out with a Pokedex including the old Pokemon, and Fire Red/Leaf Green came out as a way to get them. All downhill from there.
Anyway, I've typed long enough. If you want to know more, maybe start up a separate thread asking about why people hate the new Pokemon games.

ORIGINAL TOPIC: I think FFXII: Revenant Wings on the DS was a pretty bad sequel. It was an RTS, and trying to manage troops on a tiny touchscreen SUCKS.
 

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I'll say (if this is acceptable) the Splinter Cell series.

Most of the games were really entertaining.

Then came Conviction.
I thought the idea was brilliant: it's far more entertaining to actively hunt enemies without being seen, and you should be able to fend off a couple of guys if you're seen and you need to engage in a quick firefight.

Whoever had the idea to put a fucking helicopter in that launches rockets at you whilst 300 soldiers bum-rush you though is a bloody moron.

The first level was very promising and the Lincoln memorial level was good fun until the point where you were having enemies chucked at you.

Other than the fact that it's shit, this is the exact same thing that's wrong with Alpha Protocol. It cockteases you with being able to play stealthily, but most levels have an ambush which forces you into a firefight. The ones that don't are made up for by levels which have 2 ambushes in.
 

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Sometimes I feel I'm the only person who enjoyed the 1st games of these, but Resistance and Bad company.
Reasons:
resistance 1 was a decent shooter in terms of gameplay, what made it good for me was the atmosphere. You really felt like u were part of a small resistance force. The second game said nuts to atmosphere lets make u part of a team of people like u and make the battles seem like thar on even footing as opposed to humanitys last stand.
Bad company 1 was so funny, again i know the gameplay was nothing special but the characters were amusing and the complete greed driven story worked brilliantly. Im not sure how teh second 1 came to be but ruined the characters magically made the gold u stole disapear while not having u killed for dereliction of duty. WTF?
 

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Nevyrmoore said:
Woodsey said:
The plot is incoherent in a number of places and of the major quests in the game is cut halfway through (the HK factory) with no indication that you can't get any further.

KotOR has a simpler plot, but it handles it with finesse and is widely considered to have one of the best twists in gaming.

KotOR 2's twist is ruined in the menu screen, and hinted at with the subtly of a jackhammer. I.e. Kreia is going to betray you. (Kind of).
veloper said:
I don't think that Kreia being a Sith and a nasty old crone ever was a plot twist or meant to be. It was obvious early on and never a big secret.
The surprise is in why she was helping you.

Still a mediocre game. Both.
Thanks for the spoilers!
It's 6-years-old, there comes a point where use of the spoiler tag feels unnecessary.

Besides, the first one's the one that you don't want spoiled.
 

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Kane and lynch 2 is pretty awful. The first game was enjoyable, the second game feels like they decided to downgrade everything to last gen for some odd reason.
 

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Jimmybobjr said:
Final Fantasy X's Sequel, Final Fantasy X-2.
Ugh. That game was a nightmare, such a letdown as FFX is one of my top games of all time. The game was for the crazy japanese fan girls.
 
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Mikeyfell said:
well the biggest gap in quality between a game and it's sequel would be Ratchet and Clank Up Your Arsenal
if Ratchet and Clank Going Commando was a 10
Ratchet and Clank UYA was a 4

but the worst game I've ever played that happened to be a sequel was Grand Theft Auto 4
If the GTA series is a 5 with Vice city at a 7
GTA 4 is charitably sitting on a 2
Why exactly would you say that Up Your Arsenal was bad? For me, it was better, or at the very least equal to the previous games. The series went downhill after UYA.
 

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Wakefield said:
Jimmybobjr said:
Final Fantasy X's Sequel, Final Fantasy X-2.
Well that's what I was going to say.
It's ok, you can still say Devil May Cry 2.
...oh wait.

That's right, I ninja'd myself. that's how ninja i am. lol
 

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The first Godfather game was good,, the second, rubbish.
Also KOTOR 2, Halo 3, Doom 3 (I think no-one mentioned it yet), Serious Sam II.
 

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Came in here to say Zelda 2. Super Mario 2 was also pretty bad, at least as a Mario game.

As for something more recent, I thought Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2 was crap compared to the first one, though of course I thought the first one was crap compared to X-Men Legends.
 

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(Naming the sequals)

Starcraft 2 (Story-wise, everything else was excellent)

Modern Warfare 2 (Short campaign, cry-worthy balancing and kill-streaks)

Heroes of Might and Magic IV (It's just so ugly and boring to me)
 

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I am Omega said:
Sonic Heroes was an ok game despite lazy level design. I thought this would be the low point of the series... then Shadow the Hedgehog came out... and to make it worse, Sonic 06 came out after it... *sigh*
For me, Sonic Heroes WAS the bad sequel (if you count it as a sequel to Sonic Adventure 2, which was the high point of the franchise for me). Shadow and Sonic '06 were more salt in the wound, and Unleashed was a rusty spike driven straight through my heart. I die a little inside each time I see the box on display.
 

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maddawg IAJI said:
I wanna say Bioshock 2, but if anything, Bioshock 2 was a good game, just no where near as good as Bioshock 1 and it's only looked down upon because it let a lot of folks down.

That said, I wanna go with Modern Warfare 2. I enjoyed the original Modern Warfare campaign, I thought it was fun, enjoyable, challenging Veteran, good story and ideas. Modern Warfare 2 however just threw all that way and said "LET'S PUT IN MORE GUNS AND MAKE THEM GO BANG BANG!". It's story was really lackluster and the veteran is just a piss poor excuse for a difficulty.
You know veteran's too easy when I can beat it. And I suck.
 

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Kimarous said:
"Majesty: A Fantasy Kingdom Sim" was awesome. Its sequel fills me with the deepest hatred and rage.
i will agree. Majesty 2 is wayyyy too RTS´y and THERES NO CHEATS ASFLGFGFLGJFLGJFL


L4D2 wasnt as fun or Atmospheric as the first game.

Modern Warfare 2 for very obvious reasons.
 

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Fable II was horrible...yet addicting.

And I hated Devil May Cry 2 >.<

Plus Fallout 3 was bad too. >_>
 

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Jarl said:
Wow, no one used this as another excuse to rage about Left 4 Dead 2? I'm amazed!
thats because the topic is about a bad sequel to a game that was good... both Left 4 Deads got really boring and really repetitive REALLY quickly.

Personally the one that pissed me off the most was Bioshock 2. I loved Bioshock, it was a genuinely enjoyable game. Bioshock 2 was a pointless money vacuum that played like the first one, looked like the first one, and the story was just pulled out of somebody's ass. No philosophy of cynicism or objectivism or anything just some ***** who doesnt want you protecting her daughter from people who might try to kill her. It was stupid