Who knows some good gothic bands, i'm trying to discover some. Not Cradle of Filth or Evanescence, cause I already know them pretty well.
Gothic bands?
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When you say "gothic" do you mean "goth/symphonic metal" because Cradle of Filth and Evanescence aren't goth.
Goth music originated from post punk and similar genres in the 80s. Gothic bands are bands like Bauhaus, The Cure, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Sisters of Mercy etc
Goth music originated from post punk and similar genres in the 80s. Gothic bands are bands like Bauhaus, The Cure, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Sisters of Mercy etc
Anyone actually into Gothic music would probably want to string you up for calling Cradle Of Filth and Evanescence "goth". Those bands are goth in image only.
I don't really like that stuff at all but my girlfriend does, and she'd probably tell you to listen to Bauhaus, Christian Death or stuff like that. If you want I can ask her what are some good goth bands for someone getting into it, but be aware that "goth" might not mean what you think it does.
I don't really like that stuff at all but my girlfriend does, and she'd probably tell you to listen to Bauhaus, Christian Death or stuff like that. If you want I can ask her what are some good goth bands for someone getting into it, but be aware that "goth" might not mean what you think it does.
I would have to disagree but whatever, I'm looking for all interpretations of the genre. There is a general consensus that those bands are gothic in style. Maybe not hardcore goth, but more entry-level stuff. I guess that's why I made the thread then.BonsaiK said:
Maybe. Just put in whatever you think gothic bands are. Genres are disputable and I don't really want a debate here cause genre debates get nowhere and get really boring really fast. So whatever you think is gothic, is gothic.ThenAgain said:
Yes, these. I would add Joy Division, Dead Can Dance, London After Midnight, God Module, and Southern Death Cult.ThenAgain said:
There is definitely not a general consensus that Evanescence or Cradle of Filth are goth. Not in goth circles, anyway.InfiniteSingularity said:
Of course, ask three different goths what goth is all about and you'll get at least four different answers.
Lacrimosa is pretty good.
Blutengel is really Darkwave, but since you're not too particular about genres you might like it anyway.
Bands that are definitely not gothic but might still be of interest to you given you named CoF and Evnescence;
Agathodaimon
Epica
After Forever
Imperia
Satyrian
Therion
You can ask if you want any links to these, to prevent this post from getting too big.
Blutengel is really Darkwave, but since you're not too particular about genres you might like it anyway.
Bands that are definitely not gothic but might still be of interest to you given you named CoF and Evnescence;
Agathodaimon
Epica
After Forever
Imperia
Satyrian
Therion
You can ask if you want any links to these, to prevent this post from getting too big.
Last.fm is a useful little thing. I recommend using if you're looking for any type of music, it comes in handy. Here [http://www.last.fm/tag/goth] you can see all the artists that people tagged with "goth". And here [http://www.last.fm/tag/gothic%20metal] is gothic metal. There are also multiple variations of tags.
The problem is that some interpretations of the genre are wrong. Just because some people might think that Rage Against The Machine is reggae because the lead singer has dreads and sings anti-war stuff occasionally doesn't make it suddenly reggae. "Gothic" as a musical genre means something very specific, just like "Reggae", "Dubstep" and "Drum & Bass" mean something very specific, musically. Goth has nothing in common with heavy metal besides similar fashion sense and the use of guitar (and even the latter is optional). I'd mention bands but others have already covered the main ones.InfiniteSingularity said:
The relationship between goth and metal is similar to the relationship between folk and metal. Yeah they're completely different, but there are fusion genres, where you take the elements of one style and incorporate it into another. Folk metal is folk and metal, and gothic metal is goth and metal. I'm not saying that Moonsorrow is folk music, but in some ways it is. So being "gothic metal" (I would say it is gothic metal for a lot of reasons, you can dispute but again, no genre debates), CoF is, in some ways, gothic music. I don't see it quite that black and white. I'm not saying your wrong but I'm just clarifying what I mean.BonsaiK said:
I define music on my own terms and often that means it's wrong by most other people's standards - that's fine, I don't really care. But don't start arguing about what bands are what style etc.
Of course, it's possible to combine any two (or more) musical genres. The fact that this can be done with goth and metal very effectively highlights how extremely different the two genres are - after all genre combinations work best when the two styles being combined are poles apart (such as the metal and folk that you mentioned). For example, it's really noticeable when CoF insert a "goth section" into a metal song, the change is like night and day. But CoF's raison d'etre isn't stuff like that - it's metal. Metal with a unique gothic aesthetic, to be sure, and even the odd musical concession, but definitely metal for the majority.InfiniteSingularity said:
You can define music on your own terms if you want, that's cool. However, calling Public Enemy jazz doesn't make it jazz (even though PE does borrow more than a few elements from jazz, just like Cradle Of Filth borrow more than a few elements from goth), and if you post a thread saying "I want to hear more cool jazz bands like this band Public Enemy that I really like" you've reasonably got to expect a bunch of people to say "wait a second, Public Enemy isn't jazz, what exactly do you mean when you say jazz here because I think you have the wrong idea".
I've a soft spot for the genre myself, I won't bore you with the details, but if you're interested in the music, here are two tracks to gauge your interest.
And
They're not particularly indicative of the genre(?) as a whole, but good examples. But they're two personal favourites. If you enjoy these, the rest should follow.
And
They're not particularly indicative of the genre(?) as a whole, but good examples. But they're two personal favourites. If you enjoy these, the rest should follow.
I'm not certain myself. I can tell you that it's far (well somewhat) removed from the literature. It seems to be moreso a mood or similarity in tone and mood, not so much anything else, as Bauhaus or Sisters of Mercy would be far removed to the industrial music produced today. There doesn't seem to be a set mantra, just a spirit or atmosphere.believer258 said:
Try Rammenstien- it's heavy metal, but incorporates Gothic themes. (S&M, dark voices, heavy riffs)