Great Movies where the Bad Guys Win!
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Every time JarJar spoke, every time the child actor spoke, the battle between JarJar's people and the robots, the Asian stereotype aliens, all of Natalie Portman's lifeless acting, the scene where a child blew up a battleship by accident, the excruciatingly boring pod race etc.Usurpurus said:
Or are you talking about the original trilogy? Frankly, I loved all three original movies.
Just thought of one: 1984
Also, I'm considering doing a poll of which of these movies people like best.
Also, I'm considering doing a poll of which of these movies people like best.
I'll admit, Jarjar was annoying, don't really remember mini Anakin. But the battle on Naboo was awesome. I never saw those aliens as asian, they had asian accents and slitty eyes, surely you're stereotyping more? Natalie Portman's acting was terrible, no one can deny that. But really, you're just nit-picking.Turkey Braveheart said:
Reviewers miss the point of movies, entertainment. It what I find very annoying about any critic on any site, they review it in such a professional way they make it seem like every movie MUST have a solid plot, an incredible script, no 'cheesey' moments and nothing that's already been done before. It's just stupid, in my opinion.
If you feel I'm nit-picking, please go back and watch again. I'm not exaggerating one bit and when I saw it I was a rabid Star Wars fan looking desperately for things to like about. I just couldn't find anything to like in the first movie beyond the acting from Neeson and McGregor and Darth Maul, underdeveloped though he was. The light saber fight at the end of the Phantom Menace was actually the best of the light saber fights of any of the three movies. Still, a little good acting and a good fight scene at the end can't help the silliness, bad dialogue and unexplained stakes and motivations.Usurpurus said:
Wow, 8 pages. I'm just gonna assume I've been ninja'd and list the only recent movie I can think of, and say Watchmen
The Lord of the Rings, all Sauron wanted was a cookie and his ring back and what did they do? kill him.....twice 
There Will Be Blood, arguably The Empire Strikes Back, V For Vendetta. (yes, he's incredibly noble and the forces he's up against are totalitarian and ruthless. That still doesn't strip him of his status as a bloodthirsty, sociopathic terrorist.) I would argue that The Dark Knight is technically a case of this as well, since even though Batman did technically manage to "win," he did so by allowing himself to become the bad guy.
AboveUp said:
You know, it really annoyed me how it is just assumed in the comic (didn't see the movie) that if anyone knows what Veidt did, then global war will break out and everyone would die. Why is that? You know, the Russkies invaded Afghanistan in real life, and the world didn't blow up. Why, exactly, would world peace have been ruined if anyone knew that Adrian Veidt blew up New York? Would everyone have been like "Oh, it wasn't aliens, let's go back to nuking each other"?
I just think that, despite how good the comic was, the whole concept of not being able to tell anyone about the atrocity or MOAR PPL WOOD DIEDED!!! is stupid, because it is totally outside the realm of what real human beings would do.
I just think that, despite how good the comic was, the whole concept of not being able to tell anyone about the atrocity or MOAR PPL WOOD DIEDED!!! is stupid, because it is totally outside the realm of what real human beings would do.
Although, I suppose that an all-powerful, blue, naked man is not exactly realistic either.
Surely in almost all cases the hero, by virtue of being the hero, automatically has the moral victory? The only exceptions are films like watchmen, where the villain's motives are to attempt to improve the world/humanity. Rarely are the villains looked at in such a way as to allow a sympathetic view of their actions, or some kind of reconciliation with the idea that they might at least think that they're doing the right thing.Eqan Asif said:
Watch "the prestige" though. Both of the main characters (rivals, I guess, rather than heroes and villains) are shown to have their heroic moments and their more villainous sections. In short, they're both human, understandable. And it's frequently hard to tell who has the moral high ground. This has no real relevance to the thread, I just really liked the film.
OT: Have a list of movies where the victory of the bad guys is left entirely to your interpretation of who the bad guys are (and yes, spoilers will happen. The thread title made that clear)
Watchmen
Ozymandias killed millions. But he was trying to fix world political relations, and may well have averted WW3
V was a terrorist, and he destroyed the government. He killed hundreds of people, some of whom were merely innocent members of the British Army, and caused the deaths of hundreds more
Just watch it. But Hugh Jackman's character spends a fortune attempting to upstage Christian Bale's, and then manages to frame him for murder and have him hanged. And then there's a plot twist
And some distinctly less ambiguous films:
No Country for Old Men
Saw
The Empire Strikes Back
Dead or Alive. If you'll count the producers as the bad guys, then yes, they definitely won. Not worth watching, even for Holly Valance.
Oh, and the Dark Knight, although apparently there's some debate over that.
J03bot said:
He died in the comic though. Someone else takes his place, wearing his mask. Making people believe in something bigger than a person and destroying faith in the government that said they had put him to justice.
Fellwarden said:
I've come across other, older stories - mostly science fiction - where the second the possibility of an evil alien race existing vanished, the world would slip back into war again. A good example would be Ender's Game. As soon as we lose track of a common enemy, we need someone to fight again. War is imprinted in our minds too strongly for it to just disappear.
At least, I think that's the direction the Watchmen is going at. Plus, I think as soon as the Russians would find out someone in America had lied to them in a desperate attempt to stop them from attacking, they'd be very tempted to start the doomsday clock all over again.
At least, I think that's the direction the Watchmen is going at. Plus, I think as soon as the Russians would find out someone in America had lied to them in a desperate attempt to stop them from attacking, they'd be very tempted to start the doomsday clock all over again.
Ooh, Suicide Kings... Haven't seen that in years.adragonofgold said:
Christopher Walken is ace. Speaking of which, King of New York is surely an example as well?