Like I said, my biased side would be showing... because I mostly like his overall design more than anything else about him...Pinkamena said:
Oh, I do agree. Yeeeeessss.WhiteFangofWar said:Ah, but one cannot be a villainous leader with brute power alone, nooo. It requires subtlety, cunning, an instinct for navigating the treacheries of one's own underlings, yesssss.Baron von Blitztank said:
Dunno if you could call him a bad guy, really, his plan is to sit at the bottom of the ocean having a nap in a city with weird angles.Zen Bard said:
People aren't saying he's a good villain because his character is likeable or he seems like a swell guy. They're saying that he is good at being the villain; he's good at making the player want to find him and stop him because he's a self-obsessed racist psychopath with delusions of grandeur. I personally think he's a decent villain but he would have been better if he'd been in it more. After the Citadel near the beginning, you don't actually encounter him again for ages. Hell, you only see him a handful of times throughout the entire game.AntiChri5 said:
Pretty much. The way Lovecraft had written Cthulhu, Yog Sothoth, and the rest of the Mythos creatures had them be indifferent or unaware of humans like a force of nature. The only exception was Nyarlathotep, who was written as an actively malicious bastard.thaluikhain said:
Well, not exactly. It was never Cthulhu's plan to hang out and catch some z's at the bottom of the ocean. He was imprisoned there ever since he and the other Old Ones lost the war with the Elder Gods all those hundreds of millennia ago.thaluikhain said:
With Saren, they were going for a whole "fallen hero" thing but forgot one crucial part of the process. They never establish him as a hero. All examples of his previous work as a spectre are shady as fuck. Him blowing up civillians for no real reason. Shit like that. He's not even fun to hate. Getting enslaved by Sov doesn't even win him sympathy, since he was planning to use it to wipe out humanity.Auron225 said:People aren't saying he's a good villain because his character is likeable or he seems like a swell guy. They're saying that he is good at being the villain; he's good at making the player want to find him and stop him because he's a self-obsessed racist psychopath with delusions of grandeur. I personally think he's a decent villain but he would have been better if he'd been in it more. After the Citadel near the beginning, you don't actually encounter him again for ages. Hell, you only see him a handful of times throughout the entire game.AntiChri5 said:
Having said that, I kinda disagree with your description of him too...
...since he whole-heartedly believes (indoctrination and all that) he is saving humanity by co-operating with the Reapers. He's hoping to have humanity enslaved rather than exterminated. That doesn't come across to me as self-obsessed; there is no glory in it for him. He's not under any delusions of grandeur either; to have humanity enslaved is a pretty meagre ultimate goal. Psychopath is fine, I'll give you that. It's been a while so I may have just forgotten but how is he a racist exactly?
EDIT: Where I said "humanity" above, I should've said "life-forms" really. Force of habit
Wasn't their original plan just to quarry stone, sending people offworld for some unspecified purpose only came up later when people found out about them?Zen Bard said:
I get what you're saying, like their evil was mostly incidental to what they were about.thaluikhain said:
I think it's because of Lovecraft's extreme xenophobia, the mere existence of inhuman creatures was terrifying, regardless of whatever it was they were actually doing. He did seem to feel this way about various races IRL as well, so it's not surprising.the December King said:
