Groom accidentally kills three relatives at wedding

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Tekkawarrior

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Housebroken Lunatic said:
Sikachu said:
Yeah, in the USA they lock people like that up! In the Vice-President's Office.
Your counter is completely moot, since im not an american, nor do I try to portray America as being any better. There's plenty of fucktards with guns in USA too, and I for one find it rather strange that they are allowed to run loose.

The only thing better about america would be the fact that they actually have and try to enforce regulatory laws in regards to possessing firearms, and do prohibit most people from owning fully automatic weapons. Whereas in many islamic countries you can pretty much buy an ak47 at a local flea market without any kind of governmental supervision or background checks.

Also, the fact that there are probably only the smallest minority of american gun owners who think it would be a good idea to fire a fully auomatic weapon at a wedding. Im a gun enthusiast myself (although in a country with much more strict gun control laws than in the U.S), and I would NEVER think of such a stupid idea, and if I voiced such ideas and opinions in the open at the marksman club im a member of, they would probably kick me out with my head first.

So in truth, the problem isn't really that accidents happen (because there will always be accidents) it's more of the widespread attitude that certainly differ from country to country.

Which is why I said what I said before about this hardly being the first time I hear of some ak47 tooting idiot in an islamic country doing something irresponsible with the gun. These aren't playthings for fuck sake, they are russian tools of war, primarily used to KILL people with. You could just as well go to a wedding and start to juggle with live hand grenades and pulling their pins, it would be equally stupid.

Thus my questions still stand: Why do these things happen more often in certain countries but not others? Why do certain countries think that this irresponsible and downright retarded attitude towards firearms is acceptable and okay? Why doesn't the people in general take steps to eliminate this attitude?

How long can one reasonably blame these incidents on "individual idiots" wihout holding the population at large accountable? It's not as if irresponsible handling of firearms could reasonably be considered as "impossible to predict" in these countries now is it?
I'm not going to say much because:
1) It's a waste of a time.
2) I will most probably get banned.

But I hope you are at least smart enough to know what I am implying.
 

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Bigfootmech said:
Hehe nice link. Just had a breakthrough - the new years do it just to make a loud noise but at weddings it's actually a tradition that possibly pre-dates the gun - apparently they used to shoot at apples (so one of my grandmas says), so the possible transferral from bow to gun could have been made some time ago.

Also a 100% confirmation from all that the tradition is easily more than 80 years old, almost certainly way more.

However shooting at weddings with guns HAS been outlawed in Serbia, but farmers still do it, and in Montenegro they still do it.
Interesting, so originally it was basically to showcase the martial prowess of the menfolk? Well that makes sense, though I think this guy failed. It's good that it's been made illegal though, if people want to fire guns off in celebration it makes sense to have a firing range for safety reasons.
Big time >.>

I think so too, however I don't see this happening. It's more likely to die out, like some other traditions just as old. It's become too obscure (from its original meaning) and is too much "against the current system" to survive.

Also I'm not sure I'd want my wedding to be on a firing range, whether long or clay pidgeon :p. Do you _ take _ to be your loyal wed bride, to love and to hold until death do you part? PULL!
 

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Housebroken Lunatic said:
Thus my questions still stand: Why do these things happen more often in certain countries but not others? Why do certain countries think that this irresponsible and downright retarded attitude towards firearms is acceptable and okay? Why doesn't the people in general take steps to eliminate this attitude?
Because you are focusing on a specific failing that occurred in a specific country. Admit to a nationality, and I guarantee you that if your country is bigger than a Yugo, I can find an incident of stupidity that at least equals the one in this thread.

The secret to prejudice is this: every race is flawed, and every race has idiots. A skilled racist points out the examples in another race, while ignoring or discounting those in his own.

Ironically, the bible has an apt saying for this: "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."(Would that the religious leaders in my country bother to observe it...)
 
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Nice way to temper the best moment of your life (debatable - Ithankyou - *chortle*) with your worst.

Wedding + gun = good times? Interesting syllogism Mr. Groom.
 

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Sir_Tor said:
deadman91 said:
Sir_Tor said:
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chiefohara said:
and Cameron wants them to join the EU
Shit, not if France, Germany and probably the rest of Europe have anything to say about it. Cameron just wants to be able to put more American bases in Turkey (you heard me) to scare Iran and Russia. I'll start taking their bid seriously when they decide that to admit to the genocide they committed, until then I have a better chance of becoming Pope.

OT: I reckon the next words out of the bride's mouth were "I think we should get a divorce", and if they weren't, they should be.
What genocide?

OT: May I say: "EPIC FAIL!"?
The genocide of millions (yes millions) of Armenians, Assyrians and Greeks. I've heard some nasty stories from the older relos (I'm half Assyrian) about what the Turks did. For example placing rafts full of people in the water, then setting those rafts on fire. It's something the world knows is true, but the Turks still won't admit to.
Ah yes! The genocide the Ottmans comitted! Turkey and the Ottoman empire are two different things. You are basicly blaming the son for his fathers actions.
And I suppose Germany didn't start World War 2 and the USA didn't invade Iraq in 2003. Bullshit. This was just as much the fault of what is modern Turkey and was quite happily masterminded and committed by the fucking army officers who would found what is modern Turkey. It was a father and son business, cleaning out the 'undesirables'. Don't you fucking dare accuse me of ignorance.

Shit, even a lot of Turks admit they committed a fucking genocide in the great war. It's the fucking government that refuses to admit what it did was wrong. And shit, let's be honest, the only reason Turkey hasn't tried walloping Armenia again is because Armenia's got a nice big mate named Russia.
 

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Oh That Dude said:
"They're" As though you're not one of us. Anyway, none of that contradicts equality or "being human", so what you said before was something completely different. Anyhow:
No I didn't say I wasn't human, that's just a silly presumption you make on your own.

The thing that contradicts equality is this bullshit nonsense about "human rights" and that all humans somehow do or should have access to them. Rights only exist for the people who claim them. If they don't, then tough shit.

Oh That Dude said:
When was the last time you tried to get your government to put a stop to something? Seems you have a lot of experience in the matter...
I have some experience in the matter, yes. But that's not the point. The point is that the only viable rason why a government should have any sort of power over the people is in order to SERVE the people as well. If the government doesn't fulfil that duty but still take it upon itself to lord over others it has to be overthrown.

My own government hasn't really been able to do much to limit my lifestyle. If it did however, I'd have to rebel against it, as any intelligent civilian should.

Oh That Dude said:
Right, so your point is that the Turkish people aren't clever enough to overthrow their fucking government because they haven't yet prevented idiocy and guns mixing. I'm sorry but that argument is full of shit.
Well, opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one and they all stink.

Just because you SAY that my argument is "full of shit", it doesn't necessarily make it so. I say, PROVE IT before coming with accusations...
 

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Generic Gamer said:
Bigfootmech said:
Also I'm not sure I'd want my wedding to be on a firing range, whether long or clay pidgeon :p. Do you _ take _ to be your loyal wed bride, to love and to hold until death do you part? PULL!
My future wife will ahte you for this but that sounds super-awesome!

Throwing the bouquet and shooting it out of the air...priceless.
Well that's one way to re-institute the tradition I guess XD. Though the tradition of catching the bouquet might be slightly altered... there might be a few more next-brides-to-be at those weddings ;P
 

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Marmooset said:
Because you are focusing on a specific failing that occurred in a specific country. Admit to a nationality, and I guarantee you that if your country is bigger than a Yugo, I can find an incident of stupidity that at least equals the one in this thread.

The secret to prejudice is this: every race is flawed, and every race has idiots. A skilled racist points out the examples in another race, while ignoring or discounting those in his own.

Ironically, the bible has an apt saying for this: "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."(Would that the religious leaders in my country bother to observe it...)
You're more racist than I am evidently, due to your displayed belief that you can classify human beings into races. I am not of the same conviction, thus I am NOT a racist.

As for the rest, im all too aware about the rule of idiots, the thing is I find it somewhat different when one idiot over here acidentally run someone else over with a car or cause an electrical fire. Sure both cars and electricity are dangerous but THEY AREN'T WEAPONS OF WAR, now are they?

And my question still stands: why is this NOT the first time I've heard about irresponsible uses of weapons of war in an islamic country? Like I said earlier, you can only blame "individual idiots" for so long...
 

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I get yelled at for holding my sniper rifle so that it's pointed at someone's big toe by accident when the thing is unloaded and the safety is on. But this guy gets to fire an AK47 full auto? Lucky bastard.

Joking aside I don't get the thought process there "Woo I'm married let's endanger all my in-laws plus my wife by firing this AK, WOO!" it's just stupid.
 

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Housebroken Lunatic said:
You're more racist than I am evidently, due to your displayed belief that you can classify human beings into races. I am not of the same conviction, thus I am NOT a racist.

As for the rest, im all too aware about the rule of idiots, the thing is I find it somewhat different when one idiot over here acidentally run someone else over with a car or cause an electrical fire. Sure both cars and electricity are dangerous but THEY AREN'T WEAPONS OF WAR, now are they?

And my question still stands: why is this NOT the first time I've heard about irresponsible uses of weapons of war in an islamic country? Like I said earlier, you can only blame "individual idiots" for so long...
Of course I'm racist. But I admit it, and I'm trying to better myself rather than attempting to validate my prejudices.

Now, no sidestepping. Name your nationality. Otherwise, your argument loses what little weight it holds.
 

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That's just awesomely unfortunate. What are the odds that he managed to shoot at a precise 90 degree angle and that the wind didn't even pinch it by the hundreds of feet it flew.