Groom accidentally kills three relatives at wedding

[Carlston]

Before we chide the turks too hard, let us remember that plenty of Americans have killed themselves and others in the same fashion. Perhaps not a wedding, but the physics remain the same in both environments.

No...

I doubt many American's have killed their own family, showing off with a full auto weapon after getting his nuptuals.

Seriously, there is NOTHING you can set as a example to mirror the third worlds childish use of full automatic weapons, to spray in the air deadly bullets that come down some where just cause someone won a game of monopoly...and that seems to be all the excuse they need. It's like a high five. NO WHERE. I doubt you can pull up a US story where that is the norm and it went bad.


As for them it is the "norm"

 

[Sikachu]

That was in response to the people calling Turks in general dense as rocks. I'm not defending the guy, he's an irresponsible noob fool.

Yeah, but could you honestly say that this would be the first time ever that a person from an islamic country use an ak47 in an irresponsible manner?

It wouldn't be the first time for me..

Why the fuck has this not been picked up by a moderator? Plenty of time to give me a suspension for telling a poster to mature and explaining part of his story. Seems that it is perfectly acceptable to discriminate on grounds of religion here, as long as you don't tell someone to grow up along the way. Good to know.

 

[Moriarty]

Lessons in using weaponry:
Short controlled bursts.
2 hands people!

the more important lesson in using weaponry would be:

Don't shoot them unless you got a damn good reason to do so!

 

[WanderingFool]

Hmmm, I would make more sense if it was the inlaws...

 

[Sikachu]

Doesn't mean it's not xenophobic to call everyone in a country thick as rocks. And no I wouldn't say that because it would be a completely retarded assertion, I don't understand your point really.

My point is that people who do these things are allowed to run loose over there, thus making the general population who let people do stuff like that retarded by default for not stopping them, or taking significant steps to insure that the thick morons can't do these things.

I mean how come other countries are perfectly able to keep people from doing shit like that? If we're all supposed to be "human" and equal and all that idealistic and politically correct bullshit, then why does it happen there when it only happens ever so rarely in other parts of the world?

Yeah, in the USA they lock people like that up! In the Vice-President's Office.

 

[dietpeachsnapple]

Before we chide the turks too hard, let us remember that plenty of Americans have killed themselves and others in the same fashion. Perhaps not a wedding, but the physics remain the same in both environments.

No...

I doubt many American's have killed their own family, showing off with a full auto weapon after getting his nuptuals.

Seriously, there is NOTHING you can set as a example to mirror the third worlds childish use of full automatic weapons, to spray in the air deadly bullets that come down some where just cause someone won a game of monopoly...and that seems to be all the excuse they need. It's like a high five. NO WHERE. I doubt you can pull up a US story where that is the norm and it went bad.


As for them it is the "norm"

Luckily, for any argument I need to make, I never claimed that it is a norm of American culture. I need merely cite instances of Americans killing themselves or others by shooting their firearms in the air outside of the wedding setting. However, some celebratory examples all the same:

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/4084756/detail.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4568568.stm
And every case that has inspired every state in the US to have restrictions on firing a gun into the air as a celebratory behavior.

You, I would add, have gone out of your way to pick a fight. I was making a comment that accounted for similarities between two peoples, in an attempt to reduce statements aimed at insulting an ethnic group. Please calm down.

 

[TheTurtleMan]

Well then. Someone give Turkey some copies of Modern Warfare 2: digital AK-47s are much less dangerous.

But ak47s are lvl 70 only, what idiot would want to play that long?

Probably the kind of idiot that would shoot a loaded machine gun at a wedding into a crowd.

OT: While the groom probably wasn't too strong minded in the first place, it was a wedding party. I'm sure he had to have been somewhat intoxicated. I mean who doesn't have the strength to hold up an ak47 in the air to squeeze off a few rounds?

 

[rddj623]

Wow...That...That's a new level of stupid.

I think the wife may have...
/sunglasses
Dodged a bullet.

That was brilliant!

OT: What a fool. Guns are great things, but they are NOT toys. EVER.

 

[dibblywibbles]

I'll leave what I was actually gonna say at the door, seems to be a few sensitive types in here. you have to admit though it is kinda funny, in that as one journey begins another ends type way. that was at the last wedding I was at.

 

[Vilcus]

He lost control of an AK-47? Are his arms made a brittle glass or something?

I guess it could have been a slip of the hand, and I guess I can't really say much seeing as how I've never fired one. But you'd think you would make sure your grip was firm before you fired off an automatic weapon in a crowded area.

 

[JaredXE]

What genocide?

OT: May I say: "EPIC FAIL!"?

He's referring to Turkey's genocide against Armenians, something that is remarkably documented and yet vehemently denied by the Turkish government. It's the basis for a lot of Serj Tankian's lyrics.

 

[Mass B]

I'm a pretty tolerant person, but I'm not sure firing live ammo into the air from an automatic weapon is the best method of celebrating, especially at a large event. Something similar happened to a little kid whose parents let him fire off an automatic weapon at a firing range. The recoil from the weapon was too much for him, and he ended up accidentally shooting himself in the face. People everywhere need to be more careful about firearms, not just in Turkey.

I am curious to know how the tradition was started, and obviously it needs to be changed or eliminated.

 

[spartan231490]

Wow sure is xenophobic in here.

^ this, definitely this. You guys are kinda disgusting.(not all of you, just the xenophobic ones.)

 

[EboMan7x]

Well... celebrating by firing a gun into the air; FINE. But an AK-47? I mean... WHY? Why get a gun that fancy? The point of it is that its a loud sound that gets you excited, right!? So... I mean GOD an AK-47?!?!?!

 

[Carlston]

Before we chide the turks too hard, let us remember that plenty of Americans have killed themselves and others in the same fashion. Perhaps not a wedding, but the physics remain the same in both environments.

No...

I doubt many American's have killed their own family, showing off with a full auto weapon after getting his nuptuals.

Seriously, there is NOTHING you can set as a example to mirror the third worlds childish use of full automatic weapons, to spray in the air deadly bullets that come down some where just cause someone won a game of monopoly...and that seems to be all the excuse they need. It's like a high five. NO WHERE. I doubt you can pull up a US story where that is the norm and it went bad.


As for them it is the "norm"

Luckily, for any argument I need to make, I never claimed that it is a norm of American culture. I need merely cite instances of Americans killing themselves or others by shooting their firearms in the air outside of the wedding setting. However, some celebratory examples all the same:

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/4084756/detail.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4568568.stm
And every case that has inspired every state in the US to have restrictions on firing a gun into the air as a celebratory behavior.

You, I would add, have gone out of your way to pick a fight. I was making a comment that accounted for similarities between two peoples, in an attempt to reduce statements aimed at insulting an ethnic group. Please calm down.

It's not insulting a ethnic group, it is a culture, that likes to show force with un-needed displays of force... in more than one way. True, you did say American's kill each other, but so what, in America there are only few legal automatic weapons, and it is not customary to open fire just cause your happy. See some people are smart enough to understand every reaction has opposite and equal reaction. Even if you don't kill someone in the direct line. A bullet goes up and comes down just as lethally.

What they need to do is understand Physics and not act like children when it comes to a gun. No "ethic" group argument can help that. It's like saying they don't understand fire because they are in another country.

No matter what language you speak it still burns, so don't dump hot ashes in your trash can.

It applies here. So the kids accidental shootings, which are accidents don't count. The psychos who gun down co workers for being repirmanded late for work don't count they are loons.

Cause this is just, hey the jackass next door likes to fire guns when he's happy, lets do it too. Isn't there something dangerous about this? You know, shooting a gun for enjoyment over a trivial matter? Nope...go nuts and since your mom got home from the store, gargle with some Lye...go ahead, it's a show of POWER.

So calm down? Nah, when I see sheer stupidity and the best excuse someone has is its ethnic thing? Well, black, white, brown, your stupid enough to play with a gun this happens. I guess it's ok for someone in China to douse gas on someone set them on fire and the excuse when the cops come is "I didn't know, I'm asian, I don't understand how fire works." Yeah... nothing pisses me off than a blatant stupid act and then morons trying to excuse it in weak fashions.

So don't play with guns, no matter what excuse someones can give YOU KNOW BETTER.

 

[SirDerick]

And nobody thought to use blank rounds? My knowledge of guns is very limited but aren't they cheaper and much less dangerous?

 

[dietpeachsnapple]

Before we chide the turks too hard, let us remember that plenty of Americans have killed themselves and others in the same fashion. Perhaps not a wedding, but the physics remain the same in both environments.

No...

I doubt many American's have killed their own family, showing off with a full auto weapon after getting his nuptuals.

Seriously, there is NOTHING you can set as a example to mirror the third worlds childish use of full automatic weapons, to spray in the air deadly bullets that come down some where just cause someone won a game of monopoly...and that seems to be all the excuse they need. It's like a high five. NO WHERE. I doubt you can pull up a US story where that is the norm and it went bad.


As for them it is the "norm"

Luckily, for any argument I need to make, I never claimed that it is a norm of American culture. I need merely cite instances of Americans killing themselves or others by shooting their firearms in the air outside of the wedding setting. However, some celebratory examples all the same:

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/4084756/detail.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4568568.stm
And every case that has inspired every state in the US to have restrictions on firing a gun into the air as a celebratory behavior.

You, I would add, have gone out of your way to pick a fight. I was making a comment that accounted for similarities between two peoples, in an attempt to reduce statements aimed at insulting an ethnic group. Please calm down.

It's not insulting a ethnic group, it is a culture, that likes to show force with un-needed displays of force... in more than one way. True, you did say American's kill each other, but so what, in America there are only few legal automatic weapons, and it is not customary to open fire just cause your happy. See some people are smart enough to understand every reaction has opposite and equal reaction. Even if you don't kill someone in the direct line. A bullet goes up and comes down just as lethally.

What they need to do is understand Physics and not act like children when it comes to a gun. No "ethic" group argument can help that. It's like saying they don't understand fire because they are in another country.

No matter what language you speak it still burns, so don't dump hot ashes in your trash can.

It applies here. So the kids accidental shootings, which are accident don't count. The psychos who gun down co workers for being repirmanded late for work don't count.

Cause this is just, hey the jackass next door likes to fire guns when he's happy, lets do it too. Isn't there something dangerous about this? You know, shooting a gun for enjoyment over a trivial matter? Nope...go nuts and since your mom got home from the store, gargle with some Lye...go ahead, it's a show of POWER.

That calming down thing I asked you to do?

Not doing so well.

Your remarks have diverged from a point, counterpoint model and are, concurrently, no longer relevant to the content of my posts, of which, were designed only to defend the authenticity and accuracy of my statements. I feel that I have done so and shall, respectfully, be seeing my way out of this conversation.

 

[Carlston]

Before we chide the turks too hard, let us remember that plenty of Americans have killed themselves and others in the same fashion. Perhaps not a wedding, but the physics remain the same in both environments.

No...

I doubt many American's have killed their own family, showing off with a full auto weapon after getting his nuptuals.

Seriously, there is NOTHING you can set as a example to mirror the third worlds childish use of full automatic weapons, to spray in the air deadly bullets that come down some where just cause someone won a game of monopoly...and that seems to be all the excuse they need. It's like a high five. NO WHERE. I doubt you can pull up a US story where that is the norm and it went bad.


As for them it is the "norm"

Luckily, for any argument I need to make, I never claimed that it is a norm of American culture. I need merely cite instances of Americans killing themselves or others by shooting their firearms in the air outside of the wedding setting. However, some celebratory examples all the same:

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/4084756/detail.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4568568.stm
And every case that has inspired every state in the US to have restrictions on firing a gun into the air as a celebratory behavior.

You, I would add, have gone out of your way to pick a fight. I was making a comment that accounted for similarities between two peoples, in an attempt to reduce statements aimed at insulting an ethnic group. Please calm down.

It's not insulting a ethnic group, it is a culture, that likes to show force with un-needed displays of force... in more than one way. True, you did say American's kill each other, but so what, in America there are only few legal automatic weapons, and it is not customary to open fire just cause your happy. See some people are smart enough to understand every reaction has opposite and equal reaction. Even if you don't kill someone in the direct line. A bullet goes up and comes down just as lethally.

What they need to do is understand Physics and not act like children when it comes to a gun. No "ethic" group argument can help that. It's like saying they don't understand fire because they are in another country.

No matter what language you speak it still burns, so don't dump hot ashes in your trash can.

It applies here. So the kids accidental shootings, which are accident don't count. The psychos who gun down co workers for being repirmanded late for work don't count.

Cause this is just, hey the jackass next door likes to fire guns when he's happy, lets do it too. Isn't there something dangerous about this? You know, shooting a gun for enjoyment over a trivial matter? Nope...go nuts and since your mom got home from the store, gargle with some Lye...go ahead, it's a show of POWER.

That calming down thing I asked you to do?

Not doing so well.

Your remarks have diverged from a point, counterpoint model and are, concurrently, no longer relevant to the content of my posts, of which, were designed only to defend the authenticity and accuracy of my statements. I feel that I have done so and shall, respectfully, be seeing my way out of this conversation.

Then do so, I stand firmly behind my beliefs. You can ask someone to calm down, it's cute, But that entails you insulting them for over reacting. To me this story is the same as some culture thinking it's ok to stab themselves in the eyes and their family in the eye and magicly pretend there was no consequence. So like I said. Stupidity, Oh and that request to stop defending the stupid?

Not doing so well.

Bye bye you are now OUT of this conversation.

Thank you and have a nice day.

 

[Housebroken Lunatic]

Yeah, in the USA they lock people like that up! In the Vice-President's Office.

Your counter is completely moot, since im not an american, nor do I try to portray America as being any better. There's plenty of fucktards with guns in USA too, and I for one find it rather strange that they are allowed to run loose.

The only thing better about america would be the fact that they actually have and try to enforce regulatory laws in regards to possessing firearms, and do prohibit most people from owning fully automatic weapons. Whereas in many islamic countries you can pretty much buy an ak47 at a local flea market without any kind of governmental supervision or background checks.

Also, the fact that there are probably only the smallest minority of american gun owners who think it would be a good idea to fire a fully auomatic weapon at a wedding. Im a gun enthusiast myself (although in a country with much more strict gun control laws than in the U.S), and I would NEVER think of such a stupid idea, and if I voiced such ideas and opinions in the open at the marksman club im a member of, they would probably kick me out with my head first.

So in truth, the problem isn't really that accidents happen (because there will always be accidents) it's more of the widespread attitude that certainly differ from country to country.

Which is why I said what I said before about this hardly being the first time I hear of some ak47 tooting idiot in an islamic country doing something irresponsible with the gun. These aren't playthings for fuck sake, they are russian tools of war, primarily used to KILL people with. You could just as well go to a wedding and start to juggle with live hand grenades and pulling their pins, it would be equally stupid.

Thus my questions still stand: Why do these things happen more often in certain countries but not others? Why do certain countries think that this irresponsible and downright retarded attitude towards firearms is acceptable and okay? Why doesn't the people in general take steps to eliminate this attitude?

How long can one reasonably blame these incidents on "individual idiots" wihout holding the population at large accountable? It's not as if irresponsible handling of firearms could reasonably be considered as "impossible to predict" in these countries now is it?