Guatemala riots over budget, set fire to congress building over healthcare.

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This to me is just a show of how bad their politicians are were they actually were able to not make these cuts but they needed to have a building burnt down to find the will to actually do it.

Maybe we can give them the money it costs us to house their illegal immigrants that come over here and they can use it for healthcare or something. I do have to wonder how much of their economic difficulty is due to the fact that a ton of their more industrious citizens jumped ship. When there's a large enough of a talent leak, eventually you will really end up unable to pay for healthcare. If we don't want this and worse to repeat itself we wanna disincenitivize their citizens from leaving.
I mean, that’s the plan. If you take Somali as another example, many countries gave heaps of money and food to them. Did it reach the general populace? Nope. Governments, drug cartel, warlords and businesspeople stole 90% of it. Similar things happen in sanctioned countries. Those same people stole food and money off the needy so the sanctions did hurt them personally,

I get why people get cranky about foreign aid. I totally agree twitch you that dealing with immigrants in their home countries would be better. It just doesn’t matter because there is so much corruption
 

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And if I said before that came up there was already archival evidence showing it was far more likely to be started by a bunch of Nazis instead of a lone patsy?
You'd be imagining whatever makes you feel good, which is bad for determining truth.
up is down
regress is progress
dogs mating with cats, when will it end?!
I think you know you're wrong. I think you know you'll never get the system you claim to want, and you're happy to play pretend "the resistance" forever and maintain that hatred for others who you blame for everything bad in the world. But you could choose at any time to not hate humanity, I want you to know that.
 
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You'd be imagining whatever makes you feel good, which is bad for determining truth.

I think you know you're wrong. I think you know you'll never get the system you claim to want, and you're happy to play pretend "the resistance" forever and maintain that hatred for others who you blame for everything bad in the world. But you could choose at any time to not hate humanity, I want you to know that.
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I must not have watched that propaganda film
It’s the commie v capitalism propaganda thing, I’m pretty sure PraegerU did one. TheY say that commie leader killed millions of people (true) and that makes capitalism winner by default (skipping over the fact that capitalism kills millions a year, either directly or through negligence). Thus commie are killers.
 

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You'd be imagining whatever makes you feel good, which is bad for determining truth.

I think you know you're wrong. I think you know you'll never get the system you claim to want, and you're happy to play pretend "the resistance" forever and maintain that hatred for others who you blame for everything bad in the world. But you could choose at any time to not hate humanity, I want you to know that.
Then you might want to read Bahar and Kugel or Hett. Or examine how the modern thought that it had really been just one guy game from basically one person in the 60's.
 

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It’s the commie v capitalism propaganda thing, I’m pretty sure PraegerU did one. TheY say that commie leader killed millions of people (true) and that makes capitalism winner by default (skipping over the fact that capitalism kills millions a year, either directly or through negligence). Thus commie are killers.
How many people have you killed by not donating to charity?
 

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How many people have you killed by not donating to charity?
The point of an economic system is to produce and distribute goods and services, and capitalism fails at doing this enough, and by its fundamental design, that many people die as a result every year. One household's budget does not have that purpose.
 

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The point of an economic system is to produce and distribute goods and services, and capitalism fails at doing this enough, and by its fundamental design, that many people die as a result every year. One household's budget does not have that purpose.
It isn't, though. An economic system isn't supposed to "take care" of every household. It's there as a framework to facilitate work and trade.

How many people have you killed by not donating to charity?
 

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The point of an economic system is to produce and distribute goods and services, and capitalism fails at doing this enough, and by its fundamental design, that many people die as a result every year. One household's budget does not have that purpose.
Communism isn't just an economic system parallel to capitalism. Socialism is the economic system parallel to capitalism. Communism is a broad concept for society as a whole in which human beings are only acceptable if they are powerless.
 

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Communism isn't just an economic system parallel to capitalism. Socialism is the economic system parallel to capitalism. Communism is a broad concept for society as a whole in which human beings are only acceptable if they are powerless.
Don't you dare to capitalsplain communism to communists, tstorm! If it failed then it obviously wasn't communism to begin with!
 

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Don't you dare to capitalsplain communism to communists, tstorm! If it failed then it obviously wasn't communism to begin with!
But like, in all seriousness, all those things weren't communism AND communism is still a hateful horrible idea.
 

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It isn't, though. An economic system isn't supposed to "take care" of every household. It's there as a framework to facilitate work and trade.
Ok, that such is only your subjective opinion aside, capitalism fails at your criterion too, and people die as a result of that. Capitalism is a system which requires there to be unemployment; when there isn't unemployment, wages rise until there is. Capitalists don't like this much, so they typically make sure that doesn't happen in the first place*: the more unemployment, the stronger the negotiating position of employers, and capitalism gives the employer all the power to dictate terms and policy. So much for facilitating work.

But like, in all seriousness, all those things weren't communism AND communism is still a hateful horrible idea.
The idea that people ought not to be divided into one class that works and another that owns and becomes entitled to the surplus value produced by others' labor through that ownership is neither hateful nor horrible. The opposite is anti-human.

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*avoiding this in the southern United States was a crucial motivation for the transatlantic slave trade, for example
 

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The idea that people ought not to be divided into one class that works and another that owns and becomes entitled to the surplus value produced by others' labor through that ownership is neither hateful nor horrible. The opposite is anti-human.
People aren't divided into classes like that. You imagine the world that way because your view is so anti-human, you can't imagine a human being attaining power and using it to help others rather than be a leech.
 

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People aren't divided into classes like that. You imagine the world that way because your view is so anti-human, you can't imagine a human being attaining power and using it to help others rather than be a leech.
I do not imagine the world this way. It is this way.

Bill Gates, for example, is retired from his board positions at Berkshire Hathaway and Microsoft right now. He gets a massive income from his ownership. That income is derived from the labor of others. Leave aside whether being on the board of directors of a company actually constitutes a significant contribution to its value: he isn't even doing that. Workers produce value and he gets it.
 
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I do not imagine the world this way. It is this way.

Bill Gates, for example, is retired from his board positions at Berkshire Hathaway and Microsoft right now. He gets a massive income from his ownership. That income is derived from the labor of others. Leave aside whether being on the board of directors of a company actually constitutes a significant contribution to its value: he isn't even doing that. Workers produce value and he gets it.
No, he produced value that you've personally benefited from, I guarantee it. Bill Gates' net worth is a tiny fraction of the value his efforts have provided to others.
 

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No, he produced value that you've personally benefited from, I guarantee it. Bill Gates' net worth is a tiny fraction of the value his efforts have provided to others.
What value did the efforts of Bill Gates contribute to Berkshire Hathaway?

We can put aside your opinions on whether buying/infringing intellectual property and hiring people to do programming is worth billions upon billions of dollars, what. value. did the efforts of Bill. Gates. contribute to Berkshire. Hathaway. ?
 
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