Gun Balancing Gone Bad

[bjj hero]

*sigh*. I've heard this so much before. Please, stop making these quote-posts.

Honestly dude, if you don't want the replies, don't say it to begin with.

The idea is, I was giving an example. I don't want people to reply to the EXAMPLE, I want them to give their OWN examples, or expand on examples, not discuss examples, as that defeats the purpose of the example.

It was a bad example. COD4 weapons have good balance (bar the shotties which are terrible). The M16 is poor up close. In my opinion the G3, G36 snd M4 are all superior but because its so balanced its more about preference in COD. I rotate rifles. M16s are meant to be lethal, its a large round. Play on HC and everything is lethal. Its a positive that people are not under powered at the start (although I feel naked without a UAV Jammer).

I will now give examples of unbalanced games.

COD WAW. The bolt actions are terrible. Unless you get a head shot every time you'll be shot dead by people in last stand before you are ready for your second shot. Once you have the sniper scope for the M1 garand you will never use a bolt action again in any situation. I never saw a point in there being so many of them as they were all identical bar the last one you unlock.

Gears. There is a reason everyone uses the shotgun. Its easily the most powerful weapon in the game. On the plus side everyone has one.

 

[Flushfacker]

Seeing as COD was just an example I will offer up a different one BattleField 1943, I found the machinegun to be far inferior to the rifleman at pretty much any range, not ineffective but definitely worse but then they have balanced it with the secondary guns, even so I would have expected the machinegun to be far more powerful at close range.

 

[nickdon1]

I tend to think the guns don't do enough damage in regular mode, which is why i play hardcore mode. Hardcore mode has a different balance than regular, with pistols killing in two shots making stopping power useless.

In hardcore at least the m16 is powerful, but not the most broken weapon in the game, i believe it's the mp5 with stopping power seeing as it's fully automatic, has no recoil, and for some reason can kill all the way across the map. I don't think they did alot of work on balancing the weapons in cod4, otherwise why would you end up with whole servers where everyone is using the mp5 or p90? I don't play with these guns but if people are claiming to be good while using them i'll dismiss them in my mind.

I don't think that any of the guns have to be outright better than any of the other ones, cause if this were true why wouldn't every military just use the p90? Instead each gun has to be suited to it's purpose in a slightly different way to suit different play styles.

 

[GloatingSwine]

Apparently "Starting gun is actually worth using" means "ZOMG NERF" in whinyworld.

 

[JohnSmith]

Bullets kill people. In a "realistic" shooter like COD they have to acknowledge that a pistol bullet will make you just as dead as a rifle bullet.

COD is not realistic at all. Since when could you take a pistol shot to the forehead, hide behind a wall for 3 seconds, then jump out and knife someone in the chest which kills them instantly?

My point is that it tries to be realistic and when it tries that it has to accept that guns are pretty much equal in there ability to kill. If anything the guns in COD4 are weak, though I assume that is a concession to gameplay much like the aforementioned regenerative health and melee.

 

[elementsoul]

The weapons in F.E.A.R. 2 were very off balance in my opinion. Some could kill multiple enemies in one shot without it hitting them. On top of that the slide tackle was a one hit kill and I went at least twenty feet on my farthest one in the game.

 

[SantoUno]

People have to stop whining about the M16. Hell I used to kick ass with it until a few weeks ago, used the M4 Carbine instead. M16 is not overpowered because most of the time you'll die at close range if you're using that gun.

Anyways a good example of gun balancing is Resistance 2 hands down. The Auger and Wraith seriously take the cake as the most unbalanced weapons of all time. They can score you cheap kills endlessly and with their stupid shields it really fucks up and unbalances ranked multiplayer.

 

[McGee]

Let's talk CS:S! There's no reason to buy anything besides a Deagle, AK/M4, or AWP/Scout.

 

[Deleted]

The people telling you to just suck it up are the people who use it. I never played this game but it sounds like a game breaker. People who use gamebreakers online are dicks, end of story.

 

[Mcface]

I don't think the MW devs tested(as in fire) ANY of the weapons before adding them.
and it shows.

The AK-47 is probably the only gun I enjoyed using in COD4, but I would always end up switching to a gun I didnt want to play, simply to get more kills.

 

[Mcface]

when i play at a friends place (my disc cant do the multiplayer, thanks to gamestop) i use an m4 with the red dot. of course this was weeks ago, and i might try something else next time

i think he uses a silenced mp5 with UAV jammer, Stopping Power and something i dont remember. try that out. he says it kicks ass.

M4 Carbine with a red dot? if so, I hate you.

 

[Ridonculous_Ninja]

when I saw this thread topic, I immediately thought that this was a discussion on how guns should be balanced in games for realism.
---> i.e. *game name*
this game's shotgun sucks because you can use to blow people's body's apart at far range and this game doesn't use slugs in it's ammo.

its meant to blow up people from range. nearly every game so far has completely underestimated a shotguns range. i think you can hit something 20-30 meters away in real life.

Shotguns are what you duck hunt with.

That's about all you need to know to realise that the effective range of a shotgun is longer than 5 feet...

 

[Starke]

STALKER had some fairly decent gun balance. It did get a bit weird with the G36 and the FN2000 doing far more damage than the 9x39mm rifles, but, still. The M9 might have been a bit overpowered, but it was fairly rare.

EDIT: Whoops, missed the "gone bad" part.

 

[Rigs83]

I have never played COD 4 but I am a history buff so I'll throw my two bits of history on the M16/M4 rifle used by the US military.

Spoiler: Long boring summarization from someone who has no military background but watched Future Weapons too much

Introduced during the Vietnam War the M16 quickly garnered a poor reputation because of the high volume of jams that occurred during combat. This was eventually remedied when soldiers were issued cleaning kits , removed three rounds from the thirty round clip and various machining changes were introduced but this did little to change the perception that the rifle was unreliable (The VietCong actually left them with felled South Vietnamese and American soldiers and stuck to the tried and true AK-47 they received from Russia and China) and eventually became today's M4.

During the start of the second Iraq War an investigation was started by the military command to investigate the high volume of lethal shots to the head reported on enemy combatants, military command feared an unlawful executions and war crimes. The investigation revealed that the enemy tactic of hiding behind cover and revealing little else but their head and rifle (the AK-47 once again used against US soldiers) forced soldiers to use the M4s superior range and accuracy to shoot the enemy combatants in the head from afar. Although the reputation of the M16 rifle has received a great deal of repair in recent history a key weakness was revealed in various theaters of combat. Specifically the battle for Mogadishu, and the siege of Fallujah demonstrated that although accurate and deadly the 5.52 NATO round fails to deliver a "knock down" punch, basically the round would over penetrate (and thus increase collateral damage) and cause death by bleeding but not enough catastrophic tissue damage that would instantly kill a target not shot through the head or heart or stun them so they could no longer continue fighting. This weakness was inadvertently exploited by enemy combatants not wearing body armor who in both Mogadishu and Fallujah used psychotropic drugs to negate fatigue ( a cannibus derived substance called Kaet in Mogadishu and pharmaceutical painkillers in Fallujah). This gave the enemy combatant the unnerving ability to continue fighting even after receiving ultimately lethal wounds while fighting US troops. currently the US military is testing the 6.8mm round in modified M4s, namely the Barret M468, and the future infantry weapon the SCAR.

Spoiler: Future Weapons episode about the Rec 7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zMpN_-pcas[/youtube]

 

[SenorTico]

The M16 is balanced. Yeah, it has low recoil. But in CQC, it's useless because of it's slow rate of fire. If you go heads up with someone in Vacant and they have an SMG, you might as well lay your weapon on the ground and just respawn.

And just some more random factoids: the AK-47 does 30-40 damage with just iron sights. With red dot sight the weapon does 20-40. Why? Because the AK red dot combo would just be ridiculously over powered. The G-36C and M4 actually have the same stats. You can even look in the internal game files if you have the PC version. But anyone will tell you the iron sights on the G-36C are terrible and the M4, which has better sights, suffers from way more sway than the G-36C. All in all, the game is extremely balanced. You can be good with any weapon. It all depends on what feels right for you.

 

[maddawg IAJI]

I like P90 and.... um... I can't remember what it's called, that russian sniper rifle? It's harder than the 50-cal and I like a challenge.

The Draganov? That's an old favorite of mine as well.

Anyways, Like you said the gun isn't really overkill without the perks. The gun may be great but without certain perks it becomes less powerful. Not to mention that they need to give up many of the perks they currently have in order to be effective in other game types.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

The M16 is balanced. Yeah, it has low recoil. But in CQC, it's useless because of it's slow rate of fire. If you go heads up with someone in Vacant and they have an SMG, you might as well lay your weapon on the ground and just respawn.

And just some more random factoids: the AK-47 does 30-40 damage with just iron sights. With red dot sight the weapon does 20-40. Why? Because the AK red dot combo would just be ridiculously over powered. The G-36C and M4 actually have the same stats. You can even look in the internal game files if you have the PC version. But anyone will tell you the iron sights on the G-36C are terrible and the M4, which has better sights, suffers from way more sway than the G-36C. All in all, the game is extremely balanced. You can be good with any weapon. It all depends on what feels right for you.

AK 47 with stopping power is a beast. I've taken to using it with no attachments as my main weapon, love it.

 

[SenorTico]

If you are just using iron sights, then yeah. 1.5x damage goes a long way, and it's nice that it cancels out people who use Juggernaut. But, if you are using the red dot, you are probably just getting better with the AK because the damage decrease still applies.

 

[Slycne]

I wish CoD had an A4. I think the M16 in game is an A1, prove me wrong gun nuts

It's an A4, the A1 was fully automatic and had a triangle shaped heat guards. The A1-A3 also lacked the rail system for mounting attachments.

and the only problem with the awp is a kill shot when hitting the arms, If it was a body shot or head shot, yeah fine all good, but not an arm shot...

The AWP hasn't been one shot kill on limbs for years now, unless they recently changed it back. I haven't played in awhile.

Counter-strike has defiantly had its share of weapon balancing issues over the years.

 

[Christemo]

when i play at a friends place (my disc cant do the multiplayer, thanks to gamestop) i use an m4 with the red dot. of course this was weeks ago, and i might try something else next time

i think he uses a silenced mp5 with UAV jammer, Stopping Power and something i dont remember. try that out. he says it kicks ass.

M4 Carbine with a red dot? if so, I hate you.

what? thats gotta be one of the most basic setups. whats so wrong with it. my friends stealth class is something to go ape-shit about, but just an m4 with a red dot?