Guy who filmed gay roomate with man, caused suicide, Found guilty

[DudeistBelieve]

How the fuck do you cause one to commit suicide? Did Ravi put a gun to kids head and force him to jump off the bridge?

You can't force anyone to commit suicide, cause if you did IT WOULDN'T BE SUICIDE! For fucks sake.

And it's fucked up we're charging a man over a simple college prank gone wrong. Beware everyone, youre hijinks mean jail time if someone is the least bit over-sensitive

You can force a person to suicide if you relentlessly bully someone like that. And filming someone having sex is NOT in any way a simple prank, it's a crime. And he did it repeatedly to him. It's sick and disgusting is what it is.

...Oh this is the problem I have with the Anti-Bullying movement...

What do you define as relentless? Cause you can block people on twitter. You can block people on Aim. You can block people on facebook... ergo, you don't *HAVE* to see Cyber-bullying if you don't want to but unfortunately most choose to subject themselves to it.

Just the same, I understand that bullying *Feels* relentless to the victim, but honestly no one has a bully looming over their shoulder 24.7

And this Ravi guy? What "bullying" did he do? He set up an illegal video camera for his own purposes, discovered his roommate having sex, sent out a tweet or two, and later tried to set up a viewing party. That doesn't sound like bullying to me, that sounds like a plot out of a Kevin Smith film. He didn't throw up posters on the campus, or follow the victim around with a giant neon sign.

So do I blame Ravi for the kids suicide? Fuck no. Do I think he acted with hate in his heart? No. The only crime he is guilty of is illegal surveillance. This verdict is bullshit.

Hes also being charged with witness tampering, they have emails and texts saying that they should say x on the witness stand. Which is something that is never taken lightly.

Haven't heard about that. If it's credible by all means.

Still, this looks to me like prank gone wrong. I haven't seen any real evidence of hate aside from Ravi asking for a different room mate.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

Deporting someone seems cruel and unusual, but in any case, those are just the possible sentences; the actual ones could in fact be a lot less. I go to the same university as the guy did, and I've heard that he rejected a plea bargain of 600 community service hours and no jail time, so that was kinda stupid.

Stupid or prideful? Maybe homeboy is playing it all John Proctor

 

[RaikuFA]

How the fuck do you cause one to commit suicide? Did Ravi put a gun to kids head and force him to jump off the bridge?

You can't force anyone to commit suicide, cause if you did IT WOULDN'T BE SUICIDE! For fucks sake.

And it's fucked up we're charging a man over a simple college prank gone wrong. Beware everyone, youre hijinks mean jail time if someone is the least bit over-sensitive

You can force a person to suicide if you relentlessly bully someone like that. And filming someone having sex is NOT in any way a simple prank, it's a crime. And he did it repeatedly to him. It's sick and disgusting is what it is.

...Oh this is the problem I have with the Anti-Bullying movement...

What do you define as relentless? Cause you can block people on twitter. You can block people on Aim. You can block people on facebook... ergo, you don't *HAVE* to see Cyber-bullying if you don't want to but unfortunately most choose to subject themselves to it.

Just the same, I understand that bullying *Feels* relentless to the victim, but honestly no one has a bully looming over their shoulder 24.7

And this Ravi guy? What "bullying" did he do? He set up an illegal video camera for his own purposes, discovered his roommate having sex, sent out a tweet or two, and later tried to set up a viewing party. That doesn't sound like bullying to me, that sounds like a plot out of a Kevin Smith film. He didn't throw up posters on the campus, or follow the victim around with a giant neon sign.

So do I blame Ravi for the kids suicide? Fuck no. Do I think he acted with hate in his heart? No. The only crime he is guilty of is illegal surveillance. This verdict is bullshit.

Hes also being charged with witness tampering, they have emails and texts saying that they should say x on the witness stand. Which is something that is never taken lightly.

Haven't heard about that. If it's credible by all means.

Still, this looks to me like prank gone wrong. I haven't seen any real evidence of hate aside from Ravi asking for a different room mate.

He said somewhere he did nothing wrong(even the tampering). There was apparently some of the texts as well with him saying homophobic slurs, so signs do point towards him having hatred towards him over his sexual orientation.

 

[dyre]

Deporting someone seems cruel and unusual, but in any case, those are just the possible sentences; the actual ones could in fact be a lot less. I go to the same university as the guy did, and I've heard that he rejected a plea bargain of 600 community service hours and no jail time, so that was kinda stupid.

Stupid or prideful? Maybe homeboy is playing it all John Proctor

I'm not sure the comparison to Proctor is completely accurate, but I suppose it could have been arrogance from the defense lawyers. But it was stupid too

 

[ezaviel]

Hes also being charged with witness tampering, they have emails and texts saying that they should say x on the witness stand. Which is something that is never taken lightly.

Haven't heard about that. If it's credible by all means.

Still, this looks to me like prank gone wrong. I haven't seen any real evidence of hate aside from Ravi asking for a different room mate.

Seems pretty credible to me:

COUNT 1
4th Degree Invasion of Privacy, related to Tyler Clementi: GUILTY
4th Degree Invasion of Privacy, related to Clementi's guest, M.B.: GUILTY
(Observed Clementi/M.B. in sexual contact without their consent on Sept. 19)

If Guilty, jury proceeds to count 2; if Not Guilty, jury skips count 2 and proceeds to count 3

COUNT 2
3rd Degree Bias Intimidation
(For 4th Degree Invasion of Privacy charge on Sept. 19)

? Invasion of Privacy with the purpose to intimidate Tyler Clementi because of sexual orientation: ACQUITTED

? Invasion of Privacy with the purpose to intimidate M.B. because of sexual orientation: ACQUITTED

? Invasion of Privacy, knowing that the conduct constituting invasion of privacy would cause Tyler Clementi to be intimidated because of sexual orientation: ACQUITTED

? Invasion of Privacy, knowing that the conduct constituting invasion of privacy would cause M.B. to be intimidated because of sexual orientation: ACQUITTED

? Invasion of Privacy, under circumstances that caused Tyler Clementi to be intimidated, and considering the manner in which the offense was committed, Clementi reasonably believed that he was selected to be the target of the offense because of sexual orientation: GUILTY

COUNT 3
3rd Degree Invasion of Privacy, related to Tyler Clementi: GUILTY
3rd Degree Invasion of Privacy, related to M.B.: GUILTY
(Activated webcam so other people could view Clementi/M.B. in sexual contact on Sept 19.)

If Guilty, jury proceeds to count 4; if Not Guilty, jury skips count 4 and proceeds to count 5

COUNT 4
2nd Degree Bias Intimidation
(For 3rd Degree Invasion of Privacy charge on Sept. 19)

? Invasion of Privacy, with the purpose to intimidate Tyler Clementi because of sexual orientation: ACQUITTED

? Invasion of Privacy, with the purpose to intimidate M.B. because of sexual orientation: ACQUITTED

? Invasion of Privacy, knowing that the conduct constituting invasion of privacy would cause Tyler Clementi to be intimidated because of sexual orientation: GUILTY

? Invasion of Privacy, knowing that the conduct constituting invasion of privacy would cause M.B. to be intimidated, because of sexual orientation: ACQUITTED

? Invasion of Privacy, under circumstances that caused Tyler Clementi to be intimidated, and considering the manner in which the offense was committed, Clementi reasonably believed that he was selected to be the target of the offense because of sexual orientation: GUILTY

COUNT 5
4th Degree Attempted Invasion of Privacy, related to Tyler Clementi: GUILTY
4th Degree Attempted Invasion of Privacy, related to M.B.: GUILTY
(Tried to observe Clementi/M.B. in sexual contact without their consent on Sept. 21)

If Guilty, jury proceeds to count 6; if Not Guilty, jury skips count 6 and proceeds to count 7

COUNT 6
3rd Degree Bias Intimidation
(For 4th Degree Invasion of Privacy charge on Sept. 21)

? Invasion of Privacy, with the purpose to intimidate Tyler Clementi because of sexual orientation: GUILTY

? Invasion of Privacy, with the purpose to intimidate M.B. because of sexual orientation: ACQUITTED

? Invasion of Privacy, knowing that the conduct constituting invasion of privacy would cause Tyler Clementi to be intimated because of sexual orientation: GUILTY

? Invasion of Privacy, knowing that the conduct constituting invasion of privacy would cause M.B. to be intimidated because of sexual orientation: ACQUITTED

? Invasion of Privacy, under circumstances that caused Tyler Clementi to be intimidated, and considering the manner in which the offense was committed, Clementi reasonably believed that he was selected to be the target of the offense because of sexual orientation: GUILTY

COUNT 7
3rd Degree Attempted Invasion of Privacy, related to Tyler Clementi: GUILTY
3rd Degree Attempted Invasion of Privacy, related to M.B.: GUILTY
(Tried to show Clementi/M.B. in sexual contact to other people on Sept. 21)

If Guilty, jury proceeds to count 8; if Not Guilty, jury skips count 8 and proceeds to count 9

COUNT 8
2nd Degree Bias Intimidation
(For 3rd Degree Attempted Invasion of Privacy charge on Sept. 21)

? Invasion of Privacy, with the purpose to intimidate Tyler Clementi because of sexual orientation: GUILTY

? Invasion of Privacy, with the purpose to intimidate M.B. because of sexual orientation: ACQUITTED

? Invasion of Privacy, knowing that the conduct constituting invasion of privacy would cause Tyler Clementi to be intimidated because of sexual orientation: GUILTY

? Invasion of Privacy, knowing that the conduct constituting invasion of privacy would cause M.B. to be intimidated because of sexual orientation: ACQUITTED

? Invasion of Privacy, under circumstances that caused Tyler Clementi to be intimidated, and considering the manner in which the offense was committed, Clementi reasonably believed that he was selected to be the target of the offense because of sexual orientation: GUILTY

COUNT 9
4th Degree Tampering with Physical Evidence: GUILTY
(Deleted tweets relevant to police investigation)

COUNT 10
4th Degree Tampering with Physical Evidence: GUILTY
(Wrote and posted a false tweet)

COUNT 11
3rd Degree Hindering Apprehension or Prosecution: GUILTY
(Destroyed evidence relevant to investigation)

COUNT 12
3rd Degree Hindering Apprehension or Prosecution: GUILTY
(Prevented a witness from providing testimony)

COUNT 13
3rd Degree Hindering Apprehension or Prosecution: GUILTY
(Lied to police)

COUNT 14
3rd Degree Witness Tampering: GUILTY
(Tried to influence what Molly Wei told police)

COUNT 15
4th Degree Tampering with Physical Evidence: GUILTY
(Deleted text messages sent to and received from witnesses)

 

[ezaviel]

Deporting someone seems cruel and unusual, but in any case, those are just the possible sentences; the actual ones could in fact be a lot less. I go to the same university as the guy did, and I've heard that he rejected a plea bargain of 600 community service hours and no jail time, so that was kinda stupid.

Visa's can have a "good reupte" clause in them. Which means if you commit a serious enough crime, or accrue a certain ammount of gaol time, you get deported.

 

[DoctorSun]

Invasion of privacy, yes.
Hate crime, no.
Idiotic prank gone horribly wrong.
Case closed.

 

[targren]

Wait a second...

How the hell can he be convicted of "invasion of privacy?" Haven't we spent the last decade being told, by both the same government that just convicted this asshole, AND their corporate masters, that there's "no such thing as a right to privacy?"

 

[MasterOfHisOwnDomain]

Nobody should get 10 years in jail for embarrassing someone.

This isn't embarassment. I don't think enough people seem to *get* this, but how would you feel if I threatened to tell your family, friends and people you care about something which you don't want them to know? And not in a caring, "oh I'm trying to help you really" way; I mean in a malicious and spiteful way where I try to damage your relationships as much as possible and "expose" you. And that secret happens to be something that many people can't cope with and that will cause some to change their opinion of you, negatively.

 

[Xanthious]

Well Mr Ravi will get to experience plenty of man love in person over the next ten years if karma has any say in the matter. Then he can go live in a country where bathing in the same river you shit in isn't really all that uncommon. This guy deserves everything he gets in jail and afterwords.

 

[Something Amyss]

Maybe this will make some bullies (of all kinds) think twice about what they're doing, especially if it'll ruin their life.

I think you mean "exclusively" not "especially."

self-preservation is likely the ONLY reason this will stop with a precedent like that.

It's certainly not for decency's sake.

 

[NordicWarrior]

Living legally in the U.S. doesn't mean he's a citizen of the U.S.
He's a citizen of India, and can be deported.[/quote]

This. He is only in America on a green card. The US usually deports any non-citizen after they are convicted of a felony.

Someone also said the sentence was too harsh. THERE IS NO SENTENCE YET. 10 years is just what he COULD get.

 

[dyre]

Deporting someone seems cruel and unusual, but in any case, those are just the possible sentences; the actual ones could in fact be a lot less. I go to the same university as the guy did, and I've heard that he rejected a plea bargain of 600 community service hours and no jail time, so that was kinda stupid.

Visa's can have a "good reupte" clause in them. Which means if you commit a serious enough crime, or accrue a certain ammount of gaol time, you get deported.

Ah, that makes a lot more sense. thanks for the clarification.