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rembrandtqeinstein

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Nintendo has been in business for a lot longer than almost any company you can name (1889!) and have seen off some enormous rivals several times (Sega, Atari, etc.).

Nintendo make profit on almost everything they release.

Nintendo make big releases every now and again, stringing them on with life support in the form of games that turn out to become famous in their own right.

When Nintendo do plop down a new console it's invariably innovative and top-of-its-game (not necessarily the best hardware, but definitely better in gaming terms).

Nintendo is an inventor. They toil away in their little sheds for years in complete secrecy until one day they walk out, plop something into a business person's hands and blow everyone away. Then while the market are still reeling from that, they just wander quietly back into their shed and aren't seen for another few years when they rinse and repeat.

Precisely BECAUSE they aren't saying "Oh, no, our competitors have something new, we have to copy it in our own way and get back into the game" is why they are able to do what they do. They don't really care about Kinect, or anything else - they have money enough to last a decade, and that gives them a decade to make something even more spectacular without having to worry about the day-to-day running of the businesses. Wiis are still being sold but they have enough to go back into their shed and devote the next few years to R&D and playtesting which the other rivals *cannot*. They will have their own ideas, which might work (Wii) or might flop (VirtualBoy) but will be away from the conventional elements of the time that are competing in the market. And when they deliver their next invention, people will give them millions and, because of using their brains and not just throwing expensive hardware at a problem, they will invariably make profit on every unit sold.

It's also true that they decide what they want in the next, say, Mario game. They decide what they want to be able to do. Then they build a console around that, not the other way around.

You can try to make Nintendo look foolish and show how "you know better" if you want, but invariably you will end up with egg on your face. Nintendo know their market better than anyone - they almost single-handedly invented it. Leave them be. The "Wii 2" (which it will almost certainly NEVER be named) will be to the Wii what the Wii was to the Gamecube, or the Gamecube to the N64, or the N64 to the SNES, or the SNES to the NES, or the equivalent trail in the handheld markets. It will take years to arrive - you'll have just about forgotten about your Wii and Nintendo will be absent from the market for a year or so - and then it'll blow your socks off. After a few months people will complain that it doesn't do X or Y or that it's "outdated" or "underpowered" while Nintendo will have another decade's research money under their belt and be working on the next one.

Nintendo know what they are doing. Sod Wii 2. I want whatever the next stage is - which will be more advanced gameplay-wise than anything on the market in the next few years.


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Flying-Emu

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I've been saying this for years.

Burn and rant at Nintendo all you want, you cannot deny that they are shrewd businessmen.
 

SnootyEnglishman

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This is why i will always love Nintendo. They know the market they are aiming at and they make things that possibly everyone will enjoy.
 

TaboriHK

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I don't care how shrewd they are or aren't. They lost me as a customer, and I was raised on them.
 

timeadept

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Ultra_Caboose said:
Shrewd businessmen, sure, but they're not exactly the best in making good games anymore.
I'm not sure about that, but i do feel that their target audience has changed, and it no longer includes gamers like me, and i think i can assume, you too. They were looking to expand their market with the wii, but maybe it's just starting all over again. They get another generation of gamers into the mix and then they start making games geared to this larger audience, getting more deep/complex/challenging as this new audience matures. With any luck Nintendo is coming back full circle to the games that it now lacks and i want, and if they're one step ahead of the competition like this makes them sound, then they'll do just that.
 

Cheesepower5

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Even if Mario and Zelda are no longer my favourite games(I still love them) Nintendo is still the best company out there.

Screw the XBOX LIVE trolls who say shit about Nintendo.
 

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I'm not saying that Nintendo don't know what they're doing or that they aren't innovative. But the example given is awful. NES > SNES > N64 > Gamecube, nothing but better hardware. Sure the Wii and the handhelds have shown innovation, but before that, not so much.
 

Ultra_Caboose

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timeadept said:
Ultra_Caboose said:
Shrewd businessmen, sure, but they're not exactly the best in making good games anymore.
I'm not sure about that, but i do feel that their target audience has changed, and it no longer includes gamers like me, and i think i can assume, you too. They were looking to expand their market with the wii, but maybe it's just starting all over again. They get another generation of gamers into the mix and then they start making games geared to this larger audience, getting more deep/complex/challenging as this new audience matures. With any luck Nintendo is coming back full circle to the games that it now lacks and i want, and if they're one step ahead of the competition like this makes them sound, then they'll do just that.
The question is, why do we have to wait for the new audience to mature? For every person new to gaming, picking up a Wii as a first console, theres a person who has been with Nintendo since the 80's or 90's. Catering entirely to the new gamers while releasing a few scant titles for the actual fanbase just isn't right to me. The fact that I have to wait for these new people to catch up to "my level" in order to start getting deep/complex/challenging games is exactly why I have no desire to buy a Wii.

I just don't like the fact that outside of a few third party titles, I can't find any games realy worth playing on the Wii that aren't Nintendo made games. Nintendo has lost a huge chunk of third party support. In retrospect, I suppose I'm not right in saying that Nintendo doesn't make good games, because the paltry few that they do release are really good.
The problem is that without the major third party support that the PS3 and 360 have, the only reason I have to pick up a Wii is to play a certain first party title. I'll have fun with it, but once I'm done, I'll end up going back to the other consoles.
 

Palademon

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Nintendo were always my favourite because they were trying to fill the gaming market, not these other companies just trying to fill their wallets.

But the Wii makes it feel like their audience wasn't enough for them so they trade in it for the audience no one else had tapped into. I want the next Nintendo console to have a proper controller and better graphics. Classic controllers aren't good enough! They'd finally get the audience back and show all the non-believers.
 

AcacianLeaves

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Nintendo was great until they decided to stick their heads in the sand and ignore third party developers. The N64 was the start with Nintendo stubbornly opting for a cartridge-based system. Since then they've seemingly done everything they can to make developing games for their systems difficult.

That and the 'innovations' they've pioneered since the days of the Virtual Boy have all been entirely based on pointless gimmicks. Somewhere along the line they decided that games are just silly toys, and so they designed and marketed them as such.
 

AcacianLeaves

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Garak73 said:
AcacianLeaves said:
Nintendo was great until they decided to stick their heads in the sand and ignore third party developers. The N64 was the start with Nintendo stubbornly opting for a cartridge-based system. Since then they've seemingly done everything they can to make developing games for their systems difficult.

That and the 'innovations' they've pioneered since the days of the Virtual Boy have all been entirely based on pointless gimmicks. Somewhere along the line they decided that games are just silly toys, and so they designed and marketed them as such.
What innovations were pointless gimmicks?
Maybe 'pointless' is too strong of a word, but certainly gimmicks. The Powerglove? Touch screen? Motion controls? The Super Scope? Bongo Drums? The Gameboy Micro? 3D? Rob the Robot? The Virtual Boy?

Even the entire concept of the Gamecube was a gimmick - let's make the system small, cutesy, and boxy to make it marketable.

I'm not saying they were all bad, but they were certainly very gimmicky.