Half Life 2 is Valve's weakest game

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Caligulove

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Thats a pretty amazing pedigree when Half Life 2 is your weakest entry.

Don't agree with the OP, but if anything the thread is further praise for the company rather than belittling that one game itself.
 

Marik Bentusi

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You could say HL2 is weak, but I'd say it's just outdated in some regards. After setting a milestone, the competition simply closes up and HL2 has had a long time without a new addition. That's why the tension for Episode 3 grows.

Episode 1 and 2 could be considered "DLC" by today's wording, so they *are* in fact working on a big content update right now (hopefully). But yes, with their increasing number of franchises, it does seem like Valve is slowly abandoning their flagship. Maybe the pressure is too big, their own goals too high (<- best reason imo), the idea well dry (since HL is the only original series, the rest was pretty much always another one's idea upgraded to a full game. Possible exception is L4D if I remember the origin story correctly, but it outside of LAN Parties it seems about as "dead" as HL2 despite more regular updates) or other projects are just more appealing.

But there are still some things that HL2 does right that many games still don't get right today. I don't want to make a huge article out of this, but most of it has to do with the writing and interactive storytelling; go through the Developer's Commentary if you'd like to be reminded. I still find easter eggs and hidden pieces of the story despite multiple playthoughs.

HL2 always gets me over 100 fps, way more than any other Source Game I think, but I didn't write down the numbers.

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You can't really say the Source Engine is that old as it constantly gets updated. Sure, it is still the same somewhere at the core, but it's exactly this upgrading technique that I find simply awesome because it (potentially) improves multiple games at once - if of course Valve didn't add 30 bugs for every 10 they fix, but that's more of a general problem and less the Source Engine's fault. I really like the concept behind it.
 

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Anarchemitis said:
Team Fortress 2 is Overpowered.
I know right? I mean all those hats just make TF2 too good not to equip. Thankfully they've closed the gap a bit what with those Portal 2 hats you can use.
 

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Triforceformer said:
Anarchemitis said:
Team Fortress 2 is Overpowered.
I know right? I mean all those hats just make TF2 too good not to equip. Thankfully they've closed the gap a bit what with those Portal 2 hats you can use.
Thankfully now there is competition for America's No. 1 war-themed hat simulator.
 

SL33TBL1ND

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Gameplay-wise, I'd agree with you. But as far as narrative goes, it's one of my favourite games of all time.
 

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JeanLuc761 said:
The engine has aged beautifully, the level design is top notch and the gameplay variety is almost unparalleled. .
I've recently been replaying HL2 and I have to agree with this point. I think it's an incredibly strong game that has stood the test of time better than pretty much anything else on the market. It was certainly a strong game to begin with and its use of some subtle innovations while keeping the core of the gameplay the same as the first Half Life, gave it a feeling of consistency for HL fans. It didn't redefine the genre, but what modern FPS truly has? The vast majority of FPS essentially follow the rudiments set down by Doom and HL.

There are few games which can immerse me like HL2. Special kudos to the incredible facial animations which rare few games have been able to parallel.

More recent valve games may show off the advancements of Valve's dev team, but HL2 stands as one of the defining achievements for the studio simply for how well it has aged.
 

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I think Left 4 Dead is their weakest.
-Released with 4 short Scenarios.
-Very small amount of items to use.
-No story.
-Plays the same way each Scenario.
-Lack of horror in a zombie game, not even real tension.
 

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Well of course it doesn't hold up to recent games. How old is it? You expect a game from 10 years ago to run as well as a game from one year ago? I think you're high.

I don't get the point of your thread, could someone please clarify for me?

Are you arguing that the game isn't as good or that its engine isn't as good? Once again, a much older game and back when half life 2 was made Valve was no where near as big as it is now so doing weekly updates for a game would of been unreasonable.

Why don't you make a thread comparing Starcraft 1 and 2 on graphics considering that would make sense? According to you?

Did I miss the point of this thread completely?
 

A Weary Exile

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I think Portal is their weakest game, never had the urge to replay it, but it is by no stretch of the imagination bad.
 

Jatyu

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Dangerbean said:
Just_A_Glitch said:
Soviet Heavy said:
Might as well. Halo 2 for Bungie. Weakest game of the trilogy, turned Xbox LIVE into a monster.
Halo 2 still is my favorite Halo game. I personally think Halo 3 was their weakest. I'm a Halo fanboy, and even I didn't really care much for it.

Totally agree with you. Whenever Halo is mentioned, all that pops into my head is memories of halo 2!

As for the Valve part of this, I've never been a Valve fan really, and when I played Half-Life, it was two years ago, and it did next to nothing for me. I'm sure for when it was made, it was kind of revolutionary, but I don't see how it could have stood the test of time.
Honestly I think Minotaur: The Labyrinths of Crete is bungie's weakest game, but I mean who's played that?

Half Life 1 is more likely to be Valve's "weakest" game. Which is actually a testament to Valve's ability to constantly improve as a developer.
 

Jatyu

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VikingSteve said:
Caligulust said:
I think everybody forgot about Ricochet.

Was it actually made by Valve though? I know it was packaged with HL in 1998 but I thought that was just some shareware bull
Ricochet was a mod of Half Life, and Valve did make it.

But mods don't count as games.
 

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VikingSteve said:
Caligulust said:
I think everybody forgot about Ricochet.

Was it actually made by Valve though? I know it was packaged with HL in 1998 but I thought that was just some shareware bull
They did indeed develop it.

Jatyu said:
Ricochet was a mod of Half Life, and Valve did make it.

But mods don't count as games.
Actually, then Counter Strike and Team Fortress wouldn't count at all.

It also costs money, so I'd say it's fair.
 

Jatyu

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Caligulust said:
VikingSteve said:
Caligulust said:
I think everybody forgot about Ricochet.

Was it actually made by Valve though? I know it was packaged with HL in 1998 but I thought that was just some shareware bull
They did indeed develop it.

Jatyu said:
Ricochet was a mod of Half Life, and Valve did make it.

But mods don't count as games.
Actually, then Counter Strike and Team Fortress wouldn't count at all.

It also costs money, so I'd say it's fair.
The original Counter Strike was a mod yes, Counter Strike Source was a proper game, uses the source engine yes, but it is still a game.

Same with Team Fortress 2. Using the same engine and being a mod are different things.

Also Ricochet was free if you purchased Half Life, and mods aren't always free.
 

Steppin Razor

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Seems to be a whole lot of "I disagree, HL2 is awesome", rather than actually addressing the OPs arguments.

As for my $20, I agree (yes, $20 not $0.02 - because my opinion is inherently more valuable than other peoples'). Then again, I found Half Life 2 to be merely ok overall and don't have any drive to ever play the game again, so of course I'd agree that it's their weakest offering.