Halo 4 Creative Director Calls It Quits

[Hagi]

I didn't say it started when you're diagnosed.

I'm failing to see what people are getting at here.

The person was insinuating that his depression was brought about by the game not going his was and I was being sarcastic about it.

Did everyone just have a brainfart and forget how to read?

You're saying a disorder isn't a cause, which is downright silly.

If a disorder doesn't cause anything, like say problems, then it wouldn't be a disorder. A disorder is by it's very definition a cause.

Just because a diagnosis occurred at a later point does not in any way or form imply or insinuate that whatever went before the diagnosis caused the disorder.

Whatever went before the diagnosis are the symptoms, that's why you get diagnosed. Because you have symptoms.

His whole lack of motivation and creativity were symptoms of his clinical depression, that's why he went to a doctor and was diagnosed. He wanted to know what was causing it.

 

[Lord Krunk]

He was diagnosed with severe depression because things weren't going exactly how he wanted them to go?

The guys lucky he's got a job in the gaming industry. Because I think he'd have a hard time doing any normal job. Were you don't have any say over what you do.

Well, he is the Creative Director. I'd assume that if he didn't have a huge presence in the creative direction, he'd feel like he was third-wheeling the fuck out.

And guess what? He is.

 

[MorphingDragon]

Severe depression is a cause, not a result.

Exactly. Clinical depression isn't caused by some minor downturn in your life, or things not going your way. Clinical depression is a cause, not a result of many of life's problems.

Clinical depression doesn't just vanish because things start suddenly going your way.

Sure, like this man seems to think, you can do things to alleviate it and live your life in a way better suited to yourself that will better combat it, but it's not always guaranteed. I hope it works out for him.

Depression is a mixture of physical and mental illness. It might be any number of things, including being bored with his job and the consequent lack of stimuli.

There is actually no universally accepted cause for depression. It's still all up for contention but both manic and clinical depression are usually blamed on genetic and psychological causes. Environmental factors obviously play a part. But I'd put money on genetics and psychology being the real issue for any genuine case of manic or clinical depression.

Depressed people often live very rich and stimulating lives.

And I know people who WORK themselves up into getting depressed.
Its any number of things.

 

[ZeroMachine]

"one of the most popular FPS franchises of all time"
halo will lose that title without bungie making it just saying.
probably the best move he could make moving away from what is probably gonna be a train wreck

IMO, it lost that title years ago.

Caaan't exactly have an "opinion" on something like that dude. If you don't like it, hey, cool, good for you, but that doesn't change the fact that it is insanely popular.

Anyways, on topic, I'm glad for the guy. If he's supposed to be the creative director, and EVERYONE on the team seems to want something different, well... it'd be hell to work in that environment.

Besides, trying to make one of the main games in the series fundamentally different is asking for trouble. Halo is Halo not by title, but by sound, atmosphere, story, and tight gameplay. Yeah, put some twists to it, but fundamentally it should still be Halo.

Make drastic changes to spin off games. Not to the main series.

 

[Grey_Focks]

Given that he was never involved with Halo before 4 its hard to see it as a loss. He was probably just trying to turn it into some Metal Gear bullshit.

Not quite the way I'd put it, but kinda what I was thinking. If the guy has only ever worked on one game, and that was "helping in the development of MGS4", that honestly isn't that impressive. I think this will work out better for everyone, he gets to go and try to do something he wants to do, and Halo 4 will hopefully have someone a little better suited for the job as his replacement.

 

[ShindoL Shill]

He was diagnosed with severe depression because things weren't going exactly how he wanted them to go?

i think it had more to do with it not going where anyone wanted it to go really. he had to be the glue to hold it together and reign everyone in, and everyone wanted to do different stuff. plus he might have had other, unrelated, shit going on that he didnt whine about to the internet.

He was diagnosed with severe depression because things weren't going exactly how he wanted them to go?

The guys lucky he's got a job in the gaming industry. Because I think he'd have a hard time doing any normal job. Were you don't have any say over what you do.

Severe depression is a cause, not a result.

I dealt with it at one point. And you'd think that it comes out of nowhere.

That's what the article said, not me.

He was later diagnosed with severe depression.

And things such as manic depression or clinical depression (which is another name for severe depression.) are indeed mental disorders... i.e. diagnosis's. Not causes.

A disorder doesn't start when it's diagnosed....

You have a disorder, you may not know when it started, you may not even know you have it.

Then something goes seriously wrong as a result of you having this disorder, and you don't understand why it's going wrong because you don't know you have the disorder.

So you see a medical expert and you get diagnosed.

Your disorder caused your problems which caused your diagnosis.

yes, but the diagnosis IS the disorder BEING REALISED by a doctor. depression is a symptom, not the cause. the depression was a RESULT of the stress of the job. he wasnt born depressed then this finally triggered it, this CAUSED it.

Shit happens, it can be quite depressing for a creative director to work on something that was already created by another team, it doesnt leave a lot of creativity to work with.

that sounds like a good point. if i had to, say, take the Empire State Building and then make a new one for London, but better and more British i would go insane.

 

[Grey_Focks]

Posting to make my other post show up...god dammit.

 

[xXDeMoNiCXx]

"one of the most popular FPS franchises of all time"
halo will lose that title without bungie making it just saying.
probably the best move he could make moving away from what is probably gonna be a train wreck

IMO, it lost that title years ago.

Caaan't exactly have an "opinion" on something like that dude. If you don't like it, hey, cool, good for you, but that doesn't change the fact that it is insanely popular.

Anyways, on topic, I'm glad for the guy. If he's supposed to be the creative director, and EVERYONE on the team seems to want something different, well... it'd be hell to work in that environment.

Besides, trying to make one of the main games in the series fundamentally different is asking for trouble. Halo is Halo not by title, but by sound, atmosphere, story, and tight gameplay. Yeah, put some twists to it, but fundamentally it should still be Halo.

Make drastic changes to spin off games. Not to the main series.

Actually I can. In my opinion Halo isn't the best FPS by any means, I didn't say it wasn't popular, there's a difference. It's not the worst though either but I find it extremely overhyped, except for glitching and superbouncing in Halo 2. That was very fun.

 

[Hagi]

yes, but the diagnosis IS the disorder BEING REALISED by a doctor. depression is a symptom, not the cause. the depression was a RESULT of the stress of the job. he wasnt born depressed then this finally triggered it, this CAUSED it.

What?

Depression is not a symptom. It's a disorder, it has symptoms like extremely low motivation and creativity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_depressive_disorder

Major depressive disorder (MDD) (also known as recurrent depressive disorder, clinical depression, major depression, unipolar depression, or unipolar disorder) is a mental disorder characterized by an all-encompassing low mood accompanied by low self-esteem, and by loss of interest or pleasure in normally enjoyable activities.

His loss of interest and pleasure in what he considers a normally enjoyable activity is a symptom, and thus caused by, his disorder.

If he's diagnosed with severe depression it doesn't mean he's a bit sad. It means he has a major depressive disorder, something that causes loss of interest and enjoyment.

 

[ZeroMachine]

"one of the most popular FPS franchises of all time"
halo will lose that title without bungie making it just saying.
probably the best move he could make moving away from what is probably gonna be a train wreck

IMO, it lost that title years ago.

Caaan't exactly have an "opinion" on something like that dude. If you don't like it, hey, cool, good for you, but that doesn't change the fact that it is insanely popular.

Anyways, on topic, I'm glad for the guy. If he's supposed to be the creative director, and EVERYONE on the team seems to want something different, well... it'd be hell to work in that environment.

Besides, trying to make one of the main games in the series fundamentally different is asking for trouble. Halo is Halo not by title, but by sound, atmosphere, story, and tight gameplay. Yeah, put some twists to it, but fundamentally it should still be Halo.

Make drastic changes to spin off games. Not to the main series.

Actually I can. In my opinion Halo isn't the best FPS by any means, I didn't say it wasn't popular, there's a difference. It's not the worst though either but I find it extremely overhyped, except for glitching and superbouncing in Halo 2. That was very fun.

The title the original dude you quoted, and therefore the article, gave Halo was "one of the most popular FPS franchises of all time".

You said "IMO, it lost that title years ago".

You said that it lost the title of "one of the most popular FPS franchises".

So yeah. You did say it wasn't popular.

And the glitches didn't end with Halo 2. Some of them got funnier. Check out Rooster Teeth's Fails of the Weak videos. Hilarious stuff

 

[Jumwa]

Depression is a mixture of physical and mental illness. It might be any number of things, including being bored with his job and the consequent lack of stimuli.

Exactly.

And with how much of our lives our work day makes up, (not) having a fulfilling job that you are pleased to do will ALWAYS be a majour influence on every aspect of our lives.

 

[ShindoL Shill]

yes, but the diagnosis IS the disorder BEING REALISED by a doctor. depression is a symptom, not the cause. the depression was a RESULT of the stress of the job. he wasnt born depressed then this finally triggered it, this CAUSED it.

What?

Depression is not a symptom. It's a disorder, it has symptoms like extremely low motivation and creativity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_depressive_disorder

Major depressive disorder (MDD) (also known as recurrent depressive disorder, clinical depression, major depression, unipolar depression, or unipolar disorder) is a mental disorder characterized by an all-encompassing low mood accompanied by low self-esteem, and by loss of interest or pleasure in normally enjoyable activities.

His loss of interest and pleasure in what he considers a normally enjoyable activity is a symptom, and thus caused by, his disorder.

If he's diagnosed with severe depression it doesn't mean he's a bit sad. It means he has a major depressive disorder, something that causes loss of interest and enjoyment.

right, yes i worded that completely shitly. i meant thats its caused by something else. like a symptom.

i sound like i'm covering my ass so much. i'm really shit at finding the right words.

 

[books of war 13]

it's official halo 4 won't be a worthy sequel it's being made by fans and it causes severe depression

 

[ZeroMachine]

it's official halo 4 won't be a worthy sequel it's being made by fans and it causes severe depression

Being made by fans is exactly why it could be worthy.

The depression thing, though... I'll get back to you.

I mean, what if it causes depression, but cures cancer?

EDIT:

Halo had a "Creative Director"? Does it really take an entire position to say "add more space marines"?

Oh, look. Someone else that doesn't pay any attention to what he's bashing.

What a surprise.

/sarcasm

 

[ZeroMachine]

Halo had a "Creative Director"? Does it really take an entire position to say "add more space marines"?

It took this long for Halo haters to come in?

I'm impressed.

Huh... good point. Now I feel slightly bad about calling him out for not knowing anything about what he's talking about.

But only slightly.