Halo needs to move away from Spartans if it wants to survive

[Techno Squidgy]

Boring perhaps, but that's pretty subjective and critical, because that's the story of most soldiers in this day and age... boring.

Well of course it's subjective and critical, it's my opinion. I'm pretty sure it's not that hard to craft an interesting character in the military. Everyone has their own reasons for joining the military, their own flaws and imperfections. Also, that may be the story of most real life soldiers in this day and age, but there's this wonderful little thing called fiction. That might spice things up a bit. I haven't played ODST, but I have a feeling it's probably a damn sight more interesting than the main series and Reach.

 

[Exile714]

Actually they stated that Halo 4 will have LOTS to do with the extended universe, also Humanity, ONI, and all that are all returning. Already been confirmed.

Want to cite some sources rather than use the ambiguous "they?" All I've heard is rumors, and most of them contradict each other.

 

[spartan231490]

The whole point of Halo is to be a spartan.

Other wise its just Call of Duty: In space against aliens.

ODST is the only one without spartans done correctly.

This, except for the comment about ODST. ODST sucked massively.

Also, it's "Brawns." Spartans are crucial to the series. NO. Master Chief is crucial to the series. It's about him learning to grow beyond the limits of his training.

 

[Korten12]

Actually they stated that Halo 4 will have LOTS to do with the extended universe, also Humanity, ONI, and all that are all returning. Already been confirmed.

Want to cite some sources rather than use the ambiguous "they?" All I've heard is rumors, and most of them contradict each other.

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Halo_4

- ¡UNSC Infinity (First appearance) - Mentioned in the Novels, shown in concept art and confirmed to be in Halo 4.

"...new UNSC weaponry will be available...

"It has been noted that the Forerunner Saga novel Halo: Primordium, the post-war novel Halo: Glasslands,[9] as well as the terminals in Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary, will "definitely" have "resonant connections" to Halo 4's story. [10]. "

¡The UNSC may still be involved somewhat in the story, as denoted by the presence of the Warthog in the game. A further hint towards the UNSC returning is in the Concept Art trailer when many UNSC ships are shown approaching the Unidentified Planet with Pelicans in the background and then a later one with the fleet destroyed.[13]"

With UNSC, most likely there will be ONI, if not the ones who even also find the world as ONI has its hands in everything the UNSC does.

This is all the evidence which basically confirms it.

 

[Exile714]

Actually they stated that Halo 4 will have LOTS to do with the extended universe, also Humanity, ONI, and all that are all returning. Already been confirmed.

Want to cite some sources rather than use the ambiguous "they?" All I've heard is rumors, and most of them contradict each other.

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Halo_4

- ¡UNSC Infinity (First appearance) - Mentioned in the Novels, shown in concept art and confirmed to be in Halo 4.

"...new UNSC weaponry will be available...

"It has been noted that the Forerunner Saga novel Halo: Primordium, the post-war novel Halo: Glasslands,[9] as well as the terminals in Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary, will "definitely" have "resonant connections" to Halo 4's story. [10]. "

¡The UNSC may still be involved somewhat in the story, as denoted by the presence of the Warthog in the game. A further hint towards the UNSC returning is in the Concept Art trailer when many UNSC ships are shown approaching the Unidentified Planet with Pelicans in the background and then a later one with the fleet destroyed.[13]"

With UNSC, most likely there will be ONI, if not the ones who even also find the world as ONI has its hands in everything the UNSC does.

This is all the evidence which basically confirms it.

I think the disclaimer at the top of the information is all you need: "WARNING: The following information is conjecture, and not official information."

I will say that the concept art showing UNSC ships might have been convincing, but I haven't seen it. The link on the page you mentioned directs to a YouTube video about the Warthog in Forza 4. Besides, even if the UNSC does arrive at the planet, it might be at the very end of the game.

Also, "resonant connections" could mean that the story of the Forerunner uncovered in various recent media is furthered in Halo 4, rather than the characters and story of the expanded universe itself.

I'm not saying this WON'T be the case, but your "evidence" is insufficient to prove the facts you are asserting.

 

[Lenin211]

Spartans are the only means they have to combat the Covenant effectively, without them they'd probably have lost.

They actually weren't really that effective in combat roles, their primary use in the war was to buy time. They were often sent on suicide missions, they weren't some amazing super weapon the humans had.

Their name sake says it all.

How exactly does the name "Spartan" mean suicide missions? Does all of your knowledge of Sparta come from 300?

 

[Korten12]

I think the disclaimer at the top of the information is all you need: "WARNING: The following information is conjecture, and not official information."

I will say that the concept art showing UNSC ships might have been convincing, but I haven't seen it. The link on the page you mentioned directs to a YouTube video about the Warthog in Forza 4. Besides, even if the UNSC does arrive at the planet, it might be at the very end of the game.

Also, "resonant connections" could mean that the story of the Forerunner uncovered in various recent media is furthered in Halo 4, rather than the characters and story of the expanded universe itself.

I'm not saying this WON'T be the case, but your "evidence" is insufficient to prove the facts you are asserting.

Thing is though, Halo 4-6 aren't going to be standalone trilogy, with only connections being MC, Cortana and the Forerunners. They have clamed that at things like The Halo Universe panel, Halo Fest and so on that the books from now on will have way more connections then previous novels. Meaning while you won't need them to understand Halo 4-6, you will notice MANY references and such on.

Actions in Glasslands will have lots of effects on what happens in Halo 4 with things like how the UNSC works, there relationship with the Elites and so on...

 

[TheTim]

I think the best part of halo is the spartans, and with the next trilogy coming up, i'd imagine the whole onyx situation will be resolved and there will be even more spartan 2's running around.

 

[Korten12]

I think the best part of halo is the spartans, and with the next trilogy coming up, i'd imagine the whole onyx situation will be resolved and there will be even more spartan 2's running around.

Not so sure about that. Read Glasslands, it just came out, tells of the post-war universe and continues the story of Ghosts of Onyx.

 

[TheTim]

I think the best part of halo is the spartans, and with the next trilogy coming up, i'd imagine the whole onyx situation will be resolved and there will be even more spartan 2's running around.

Not so sure about that. Read Glasslands, it just came out, tells of the post-war universe and continues the story of Ghosts of Onyx.

oh... i haven't read any of the books, its bad for the onyx crew isnt it?

 

[Korten12]

I think the best part of halo is the spartans, and with the next trilogy coming up, i'd imagine the whole onyx situation will be resolved and there will be even more spartan 2's running around.

Not so sure about that. Read Glasslands, it just came out, tells of the post-war universe and continues the story of Ghosts of Onyx.

oh... i haven't read any of the books, its bad for the onyx crew isnt it?

Can't say yet. Only 1/3 of the way though. A bit has happened, not much bad tho.

 

[Vrex360]

If we are talking about making a Halo game about the Sangheili and Covenant, then all I can say is:
YES, A HUNDRED MILLION TIMES YES!

The Elites are awesome, I'd actually argue that they are cooler then the Spartans. A space faring race of feudal reptilian warriors with a strong complicated honor system and kickass weaponry, serving as one of the main races of the Covenant for so long until learning the truth and rebelling.
There's so many themes in that which would be worth showing, things like:
Race politics - how the Sangheili react towards other races and towards humans.
Religion - How the Covenant faith started and how eventually it crumbled in the hands of zealots.
War- Specifically being on the side committing genocide, according to canon a lot of elites secretly objected to it.

The main reason I got into Halo in the first place was for the Elites and I loved the Arbiter chapters so much in Halo 2. I personally would love to see a game about the Elites, maybe have it be like ODST with various elites from various perspectives but this time have each one be at a significant point of the Covenant's history. So that we can see how it started and how it fell apart.

What I wouldn't give for Halo: Sangheili Chronicles.

 

[Vrex360]

double post

 

[TheTim]

I think the best part of halo is the spartans, and with the next trilogy coming up, i'd imagine the whole onyx situation will be resolved and there will be even more spartan 2's running around.

Not so sure about that. Read Glasslands, it just came out, tells of the post-war universe and continues the story of Ghosts of Onyx.

oh... i haven't read any of the books, its bad for the onyx crew isnt it?

Can't say yet. Only 1/3 of the way though. A bit has happened, not much bad tho.

do the books and games go hand in hand or are they separate stories??

 

[NinjazInside]

A Space Game of Halo, if you've played the X-Universe series then i would like a game like that, sort of a cross between RTS and Player Controlled. Not necesarily the Trading and Building stations part of it, though could make for something interesting if you are playing from a Human stand-point seeing that to "win" each scenario you have to destroy a certain percentage of enemies before you can even fall back with random encounters when you fall back, say a Covie Corvette tailed you and you got to fight 'em off, or unexpectedly meet survivors of a previously lost planet, and it could be you slowly losing all your property the covies slowly making their way to Earth blitzing all in their way and the last battles of Earth are just fight to the death, so much so that it still ties in with the canon.

And hold the Phone... a book about post-Human-Covie war? Boy the people that like to invent stuff in their minds about post-Halo 3 are not going to be happy, no sir.

 

[Saika Renegade]

As a concept, Spartans are interesting; as characters, they're more difficult to empathize with because they've been trained to avoid attachments or marked personal flaws, two necessities of an engaging character. It's probably why they haven't tried to make a movie of it (aside from the amount of bickering that would come of its message boards). It's also why I think Red Vs. Blue took off as it did and why it's still going, even though the series was, for a long time, visually indistinct from the Halo engines Rooster Teeth used; the characters are clearly a bunch of flawed individuals interacting with each other instead of elite super soldiers doing their jobs in ones and twos, which not only makes them a fair sight funnier, but also means we can relate to them better than we can to the largely stoic, all-business Spartans.

 

[Korten12]

I think the best part of halo is the spartans, and with the next trilogy coming up, i'd imagine the whole onyx situation will be resolved and there will be even more spartan 2's running around.

Not so sure about that. Read Glasslands, it just came out, tells of the post-war universe and continues the story of Ghosts of Onyx.

oh... i haven't read any of the books, its bad for the onyx crew isnt it?

Can't say yet. Only 1/3 of the way though. A bit has happened, not much bad tho.

do the books and games go hand in hand or are they separate stories??

The only book that follows the game is Halo: The Flood, it's Halo 1 in book form. Besides that, all the books are there own stories that connect heavily with the games.

If you plan on reading them, start with, Fall of Reach (make sure to get the 2010 edition has it has extra pages and corrections.)