Hand wringing, guiltmongering and race card playing.

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Foolishman1776

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Okay, I have had it up to here and more with all of it. The White European Empire is currently on life support, it's terminal, inoperable guilt will finish it off soon enough. It's passing will mark the end of an age, and I hope whatever group picks up the flag enjoys being accused of racism for nothing more than their skin color (yeah, I went there).

I want someone to tell me, if I dislike someone because they're Polynesian, how is that worse than if I don't like them because they wear a flock of seagulls haircut? How is it any worse if I bring harm to that Polynesian with a flock of seagulls haircut because he's Polynesian rather than because of his haircut?

Now, as for the whole 'waaaaah I can't play a member of a racial group of which a small number of people can claim relation to, none of which are in the videogame industry', that needs to stop posthaste. That kind of nonsense is nothing less than an assault on a person's creative freedom. You're telling them if they're going to make a game, they have to have a person from every ethnic group playable? Really? It's not their job to pander to your race whining, if you are so deeply offended by the fact that you can't play someone who looks just like you, then I suggest you turn the magnifying glass on your own racism.

On the subject of Islam. Look, PR aside, the Crusades were a war of Muslim aggression and Christian defense, Rome was evacuated at least once, and was saved only because the person in charge of the attack died unexpectedly. Those who fought in the Crusade did so to protect their homeland from the aggressions of a group of people that had already essentially wiped out one religion (how many Zoroastrians do you know?). Though there are Muslims who are good people, and I would be respectful and courteous to any I met, the part of the world, there has been a declared war between Islam and not Islam, a war that will not end with a bunch of peace treaties and hand holding. It will eventually lead to open war, and I say the sooner the better, once the war is over, assuming no one does anything stupid, differences will likely be solved and we can go on to start the next cold war. That being said, it is not surprising or even shocking that Muslims are villains for one very simple reason, if the villain is anything other than a WASP, then somebody's going to complain, but Muslim villains are still somewhat safe. Of course, until the Escapists epic hand wringing session.

In closing I would just like to say that racism is no longer a significant factor in the world. Discussion is all well and good, but at a certain point, the horse doesn't get anymore dead. White people are not guilty of racism simply because of their skin color, and most aren't guilty of racism in any case.
 

neoontime

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I don't like being called by race in the first place, the world has too many labels that seperate us anyway.
 

Foolishman1776

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Cassita said:
Race? What's that?

I thought people were human beings.
You're not wrong, and I don't disagree with you.

neoontime said:
I don't like being called by race in the first place, the world has too many labels that seperate us anyway.
Well, the thing is that humans tend to divide themselves into groups as a matter of survival. If one group of 50-100 people does the farming, another can do all the hunting, thus economies, and trade. That being said, I don't necessarily disagree with you.
 

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In before the inevitable explosion of catastrophic rage. Also, at least 1 of the Crusades involved European Christians trying to evict the Muslims from Jerusalem, which cretainly strikes me as an 'overtly aggressive and inflamatory action'.
 

Foolishman1776

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Aerodyamic said:
In before the inevitable explosion of catastrophic rage. Also, at least 1 of the Crusades involved European Christians trying to evict the Muslims from Jerusalem, which cretainly strikes me as an 'overtly aggressive and inflamatory action'.
You mean the city that the Muslims took by force? Some would call that 'liberation'. Besides, they ultimately failed, the Crusades as a whole went badly for Europe.
 

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Foolishman1776 said:
In closing I would just like to say that racism is no longer a significant factor in the world.

To say such a thing indicates such a glorious ignorance that I cannot fathom such a concept in such massive quantities.

Of course racism is a major factor in the world! Go to some of the poorer regions of Asia and you will see entire conflicts born of racism. To say otherwise is either extremely stupid or extremely short sighted.

White people are not guilty of racism simply because of their skin color, and most aren't guilty of racism in any case.
The latter is true. Sadly the same cannot be said for the former (not directly guilty of course). We're all guilty of racism in some form or another. Whether it be directly or indirectly, we all contribute to the negativity in some way.

A white man makes a better living in the work place then his black or Hispanic colleagues? According to others he's contributing to racism by proving that whites get paid more in the work place. Multiply that by several million and add in a few people with some tempers, and viola!


[HEADING=3]Good day sir![/HEADING]​
 

Foolishman1776

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Timotei said:
Foolishman1776 said:
In closing I would just like to say that racism is no longer a significant factor in the world.
To say such a thing indicates such a glorious ignorance that I cannot fathom such a concept in such massive quantities.

Of course racism is a major factor in the world! Go to some of the poorer regions of Asia and you will see entire conflicts born of racism. To say otherwise is either extremely stupid or extremely short sighted.

White people are not guilty of racism simply because of their skin color, and most aren't guilty of racism in any case.
The latter is true. Sadly the same cannot be said for the former. We're all guilty of racism in some form or anotehr. Whether it be directly or indirectly, we all contribute to the negativity in some way.

A white man makes a better living in the work place then his black or Hispanic colleagues? According to others he's contributing to racism by proving that whites get paid more in the work place.

Okay, I should clarify, racism is not a major factor in the WESTERN world. That aside, your brusque manner and somewhat ad hominem arguments are unnecessary. Beyond that, you offer nothing substantial that I can even argue with, you make a bunch of baseless statements and throw .gifs at me. How do we 'all contribute to negativity?

Your closing statement confuses me, are you saying that if white people make more money than someone else it's racist? Is this true in all cases? What if the white man has simply worked there longer? What if he was hired because of his abilities, not because of quotas? I'm not even sure you had a point. Of course, if you did have a point, feel free to restate it without .gifs and in a succinct manner.
 

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Foolishman1776 said:
Okay, I should clarify, racism is not a major factor in the WESTERN world.


Do you live under a rock or something? The very recent Mosque nontroversy which has swept the States should be evidence enough that what you said is just completely wrong, and that's not touching on any of the immigration issues (hai Arizona) or the Roma in Europe.
 

Timotei

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Foolishman1776 said:
Okay, I should clarify, racism is not a major factor in the WESTERN world.
Again, you are...


Race and racism still plays a major part in the western world, especially the US.

Ever heard of Gerrymandering? It's where politicians divide up voting districts to help benefit them in future election. They especially do this with minorities, whom they realize are a powerful voting force when united, but divided and forcing to go to separate polls, politician mitigate the "threat" of being ousted from office due to a vast amount of minority disapproval.

And that's just racism with a shit-eating grin. The straight-faced shit is much, much worse.


That aside, your brusque manner and somewhat ad hominem arguments are unnecessary. Beyond that, you offer nothing substantial that I can even argue with, you make a bunch of baseless statements and throw .gifs at me.
But I'm sure it got my point and views across about as well as a slap to the face. Did it not?

If so, then it worked. Deal with it. [http://knowyourmeme.com/i/000/052/812/original/Deal_with_it_dog_gif.gif?1275684729]



Your closing statement confuses me, are you saying that if white people make more money than someone else it's racist?
So you think that two people of two different races doing the same job, for the same hours, on the same days, on the same schedules, that the one with the darker skin should draw a smaller paycheck?

If so: you are a racist. If not: welcome to reality! Where race and financial conditions determine your destiny before you are ever born, 90% of the time.
 

Foolishman1776

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Amnestic said:
Foolishman1776 said:
Okay, I should clarify, racism is not a major factor in the WESTERN world.


Do you live under a rock or something? The very recent Mosque nontroversy which has swept the States should be evidence enough that what you said is just completely wrong, and that's not touching on any of the immigration issues (hai Arizona) or the Roma in Europe.
More .gifs? Come on, can't people just make a point. As for the 'Ground Zero Mosque' or the 'cultural center', this has nothing to do with racism, it is a calculated insult to America, and attempt to rub salt into the wound because they know they can do it. The objections have literally NOTHING to do with racism.

I have a question, have you read the Arizona law? Do you know what it says? It says that Officers may demand proof of citizenship IF THERE IS REASONABLE CAUSE TO DO SO. It's not racial profiling, and any officer who stopped a Mexican person just to check their papers would be fired and the department shamed. As for people objection to ILLEGAL immigration, what's the problem? How is it racist to expect people from Mexico to follow the same laws as people from other countries? How is it racist to say that the influx of extremely cheap, not taxed labor is destroying the US economy? Can you qualify a single one of your statements?
 

Amnestic

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Foolishman1776 said:
More .gifs? Come on, can't people just make a point.
Some say a picture says a thousand words. In my case it said four. "I'm laughing at you."

As for the 'Ground Zero Mosque' or the 'cultural center', this has nothing to do with racism, it is a calculated insult to America, and attempt to rub salt into the wound because they know they can do it. The objections have literally NOTHING to do with racism.
Bull

Fucking

Shit

One: You need to stop getting your talking points from Fox News.

Two: Park51 is being headed up by an Imam which was tagged by the George W. Bush administration as a moderate cleric to help outreach to moderate muslims and foster good relations in the Middle East

Three: It's being partially funded by the largest shareholder of Newscorp (AKA: Fox News) outside of the Murdoch family.

Four: Mosques are being protested in Tennessee and California which is about as far removed from the WTC Site as you can get in America without crossing into international waters or the Canadian border.

Five: Two Egyptian Christians who went to Park51 to protest were driven away by their fellow protesters because they thought they were Muslim, to the extent that the two Christians had to be escorted out by the police.

Six: They've been using this building as a prayer space for over a year.

Seven: You're conflating 1.8+ BILLION Muslims to...about 10,000 Al Qaeda terrorists. The guys doing the Mosque aren't even of the same branch of Islam. Al Qaeda is, as far as I know, Wahhabis (Wahhabist?) whereas the guys at Park51 are Sufis. If you want to start comparing religions by their minority occupiers, all Christians are a) Abortion clinic bombers, b) serial paedophiles and paedophile enablers and c) The Westboro Baptist Church.

Eight: It's racist dude. Any idiot can see that. Or, I thought they could, apparently any idiot can't see that. You can't even see the Burlington Coat Factory from the WTC site.

Nine:


I have a question, have you read the Arizona law? Do you know what it says? It says that Officers may demand proof of citizenship IF THERE IS REASONABLE CAUSE TO DO SO. It's not racial profiling,
I'm sure all the Politicans who said it would are just lying because they hate you and your freedoms. Can't be that they're law makers who know this shit. God no.

and any officer who stopped a Mexican person just to check their papers would be fired and the department shamed.
Sheriff Joe Arpaio pretty much blows that entire point out of the water.

As for people objection to ILLEGAL immigration, what's the problem? How is it racist to expect people from Mexico to follow the same laws as people from other countries?
So are you endorsing that people of Mexican heritage should have to carry their papers at all times?

Dude do you even read history?

How is it racist to say that the influx of extremely cheap, not taxed labor is destroying the US economy? Can you qualify a single one of your statements?
I dunno about racist. Stupid maybe. Any economist will tell you it's not quite that simple and that all this illegal labour really isn't as big a deal as you're making it out to be. Hell, someone's gotta pick your fruit. I doubt you were lining up to die of heat stroke and dehydration this summer.

And yes, I can. Because unlike you I'm actually informed on these subjects.

And I'm British.
 

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I'll start with the blatantly obvious, and continue from there:

1) Since the Europeans didn't LIVE in Jerusalem to begin with, and the Muslims have a least a credible claim to having been residents prior to the introduction of Christianity, I'd say that qualifies as an eviction backed by military force. Besides which, since Zoroastrianism predates all three Judeo-Christian theologies, I could reasonably make the argument that any member of those three theological groups is trespassing on the territory of a whole OTHER theological group.

2) Since you seem to like the pretty pictures, here's another for you, that I hope will adequately communicate my sentiments concerning your special brand of... well, whatever it is you seem to be doing.


3) Please feel free to not go any further; it won't go well.

PS: Also, please feel free to re-read pretty much in the post directly above this one, and if it doesn't sink in, you need to sit closer to the screen and re-read it slower. I'm not actually trying to be a complete dick about this, but you're going to find that most people around here don't agree with you. Besides which, if you're looking for sympathy, it's in the dictionary, between 'shit' and 'syphilis'.

I even mean that literally; you can look it up and confirm it.
 

Timotei

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Foolishman1776 said:
More .gifs? Come on, can't people just make a point. As for the 'Ground Zero Mosque' or the 'cultural center', this has nothing to do with racism, it is a calculated insult to America, and attempt to rub salt into the wound because they know they can do it.
And thrice, you are

It's simply a group who wishes to build a mosque. There was no intent on rubbing salt into a would which should have closed up long ago.

It's been nearly a decade and yet people are still now acting like it happened just yesterday. Fuck, we were over Pearl Harbor after a few years.

The objections have literally NOTHING to do with racism.
That is bullshit of the highest degree. If it wasn't about race then why are Muslims in Manhattan suddenly being harassed out of nowhere? And why are people who are actually working at 'Ground Zero' getting heckled and beaten up on just because a few people in a crowd suspect they are Muslim?

I have a question, have you read the Arizona law?
Have you?​

I actually don't think you have. I think what you've done it taken all of your talking point from FOX News and are now pretending like you have done your research.

Do you know what it says? It says that Officers may demand proof of citizenship IF THERE IS REASONABLE CAUSE TO DO SO. It's not racial profiling
It may not be written to racially profile Hispanics, but it sure as hell will be enforced racially by more than a few officers.

And what would this "probable cause" entail? To an Arizona officer who has a chip on his shoulder the term "probable cause" could be interpreted to mean "There were more then 3 Mexicans in the car."

and any officer who stopped a Mexican person just to check their papers would be fired and the department shamed.
Oh sure. Because having people carrying around their papers and show them upon request by uniformed officers worked so well in 1939-1945 Germany.

Can you qualify a single one of your statements?
Can you?
 

viranimus

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Oooh, do i get to play grammar nazi here?

Hating someone for what country they come from is nationalism.
Hating someone for their religion is not racism either.

As neither one of these factors of hate are related to race.

Sorry to nitpick.
 

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viranimus said:
Oooh, do i get to play grammar nazi here?

Hating someone for what country they come from is nationalism.
Hating someone for their religion is not racism either.

As neither one of these factors of hate are related to race.

Sorry to nitpick.
A: Sorry to nitpick, but that clearly isn't being a grammar Nazi. Being a grammar NAzi would involve you actually using proper grammar, like capitalisng Nazi. Or I.

Hating someone for their country of origin is not nationalism. Nationalism is a strong identification to a certain group, usually a nation. Now, this sometimes includes racist ideals, but nationalism itself doesn't preclude this.

Hating someone for being foreign is actually xenophobia. And even that isn't really the proper term, because they have a fear of foreigners, which would mean a black person of the same nationality may not trigger this.

So it all comes back to the fact that prejudice due to heritage, nationality, ethnicity is actually: racism! Right, good, that's sorted, please hand in your smart-ass badge and never touch it again, since you are clearly talking out your arse.
 

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Racism is not an issue any more, except with a small minority of douchebags who should be sterilised for the good of humanity.

As for the entertainment industry:

It seems that any instance of a black man being cast as the villain is instantly tainted with the race card. Which is stupid. The entertainment industry picks the person they think is best suited for the role. No other reason.

The reason the entertainment industry doesn't cast more ethnic types in the main role is because it probably wouldn't make as much money as the shit they normally put out. Not because they're inherently racist.
And even when they do...
*insert The Princess and The Frog reference*
 

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I have little to add to the discussion here save to point out that the majority of the people who disagree with the topic creator are probably white(myself included) so I think that's worth mentioning just so it's clear there's no anti-white sentiments here. Also
Foolishman1776 said:
I want someone to tell me, if I dislike someone because they're Polynesian, how is that worse than if I don't like them because they wear a flock of seagulls haircut? How is it any worse if I bring harm to that Polynesian with a flock of seagulls haircut because he's Polynesian rather than because of his haircut?
Well for one thing its wrong because Polynesians are a race or nationality and disliking someone because they were born as a certain type of person is a hell of a lot worse than disliking someone because they wanted a stupid haircut.
 

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A few comments to the OP:

"The White European Empire"??? No such thing exist, and that term itself actually carries a slant towards a distinct racial focus, in that it suggest an entire "Empire" (EU?) whose defining trait is "White".

A reason it's worse to attack someone for their skin colour than their hairdo could be that the former trait is not a chosen one, which the latter is. While attacking someone for their choices - made for a reason and/or to symbolize something - is usually bad, attacking them for an inherent and unalterable physical trait is even worse. Empirically, racial discrimination is simply also a pragmatically larger problem causing more suffering, and thus more focus and resources should be given to it.

As for the whole Islam bit, it's at the very least highly... debatable... whether all of the crusades were defensive wars only, the whole "hoping for a purgatory war" thing isn't too realistic.

"Racism", while less overt and no longer expressed directly through biological arguments, is still a significant factor in the world, with persecution against "ethnicity", "nationality", "leeches on the national welfare system" and "from an inferior culture"[footnote]This one being particularly tricky, since there's also due criticism to make against certain cultural and religious norms and practises[/footnote] being the new sour wines on the old bottle.

Each current individual is of course not guilty of racism by their skin colour, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't take an active interest in solving the problems of the world, including racism and the historical consequences it's had. And the nation states - being separate legal entities - could perhaps still be held ethically responsible for the exploitation they facilitated, certainly since the profits from them are still being enjoyed today.

This probably belongs in Religion & Politics.