Hand wringing, guiltmongering and race card playing.

[viranimus]

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A: Sorry to nitpick, but that clearly isn't being a grammar Nazi. Being a grammar NAzi would involve you actually using proper grammar, like capitalisng Nazi. Or I.

Very good. I am glad to see someone picked up on the intended Irony and sarcasm, as I have never tried to critique someone writing on the forum. I truly think that when you use proper spelling, grammar and punctuation, an angel rips its wings off.

Hating someone for their country of origin is not nationalism. Nationalism is a strong identification to a certain group, usually a nation. Now, this sometimes includes racist ideals, but nationalism itself doesn't preclude this.

Hating someone for being foreign is actually xenophobia. And even that isn't really the proper term, because they have a fear of foreigners, which would mean a black person of the same nationality may not trigger this.

Indeed, and just as you pointed out Xenophobia is not a complete or accurate term. At the same time, nationalism is equally as applicable as xenophobia because to have strong identification or favorable opinions on ones nation basically infers a sense of superiority over nations that are not your own. That is the beauty of words as they can have context and subtlety. I do accept your point that nationalism is an incorrect usage, I can accept the criticism here and see that I worded that too adamantly to be correct. Well played.

So it all comes back to the fact that prejudice due to heritage, nationality, ethnicity is actually: racism! Right, good, that's sorted, please hand in your smart-ass badge and never touch it again, since you are clearly talking out your arse.

Now this is something that is subjective opinion. There are distinct differences Heritage is related to a shared culture such as language, religion is related to a shared faith, nationality is related to a shared geographical region and ethnicity is related to shared physical or biological characteristics. It would be like a sentient breed of cat having hatred for a different species of cat simply based on nothing more than color or markings. To lump all these categories under one banner is inappropriate as there is a word specifically designed to be all encompassing, which would be bigotry which does the job more aptly than racism and is far less subjective.

But with all due respect I do accept the error that I made, but at the same time I do respect that my words in response are useless as we will not convince the other to change their personal and subjective interpretation on these things. I do also apologize if my intentional attempt at humor and irony was missed.

As for the point of the thread. Human kinds capacity for love is far too often surpassed by its capacity for hate. There is no shortage of hatred for a myriad of reasons to go around. This might well be the beginning of the first time in American history that being white is not considered a good thing. Welcome to how the rest of the country lives, and say goodbye to the advantages that are awarded for the race who excels in both breeding and longevity and learn to stand on more level ground.

Edit: Sorry, missed the reference to Europe there.

 

[dvd_72]

I just want to say: Couldn't it be said that the people who point out racism in life are racist themselvs? It seems to me the race card is being used as a sword to attack others because maybe it is -they- who are racist, feeling inferior at the slightest provocation. I wont deny that discrimination due to race (or bigotry, or whatever your pet peeve is) is a real problem in the world, but all too often I see people jumping at shadows.

Let me give an example: Let's say I don't like someone who is dark skinned. I don't like him because perhaps I have seen him take part in questionable activities, or maybe because he just doesn't seem like the kind of guy I would want to be friends with. Now, if he was white skinned, I would have felt the exact same, but I would get yelled at by people like some of you just because you see his skin colour, where as I see other qualities, more to do with personality, that I do not like.

Often people see flaws in others because they hate the flaw in themselvs. Maybe you see racists where there are none because you are racist yourself, and don't like it at all. I'm not saying that's the case, but it's something to think on.

Please, stop jumping at shadows. If someone doesn't like someone else of annother race, find out if it's because of his/her skin colour, or because of normal, less reprehensible reasons.

 

[Bruin]

You're kidding me.

Race isn't a factor anymore?

Tell that to Arizona. Tell it to Africa. Tell it to everybody, because it seems everybody still harbors racial hatred on some level. Check out the Ventrilo Harassment videos on YouTube--I'll almost guarantee you there's going to be racial slurs thrown in on some level or another.

Even TV shows seem to reinforce the idea under the veil of "It's comedy, laugh at racial intolerance!".

I don't complain about it and I don't use it as a crutch. I don't pull any "race cards", because I'm not playing the game in the first place. I won't stoop to the level of the people who seriously squabble over race and wallow in the shit with them. I accept that the people around me are fucked up, but I accept that as a fact of life. People have flaws. Who knew?

 

[ReincarnatedFTP]

1)BOOHOOO fuck the "white European empire". Like you said, race shouldn't matter. Fuck any racial empire.
2)Hating someone for being Polynesian is different from hating someone for a haircut because you can choose a haircut. You shouldn't harm anyone for either.
3)The ethnic quota whining for videogames is silly.
4)What Escapists epic hand wringing session? I don't care who "the villain" is as long as it's believable.
5)Racism is still a very very significant factor in the world. Maybe not where you live, but it stills plays a huge role in the world.
6)"White guilt" and people being "called racist because they're white" are the two stupidest strawman arguments I've ever seen. The only people I've seen talk about these (no offense to OP) are usually morons and more than a couple of those morons are actually racists anyway. It's something I only expect to hear on Stormfront.

 

[hyperhammy]

Dude, racism was invented in America... so yeah, fuck you!
It's barely even noticeable in Europe!

 

[hyperhammy]

ROFLMAO! I've never seen such a verbal slaughtering in my life! =)

 

[Steelfists]

This is a visual representation of what went on in this thread verbally(or textually if you will):
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/2618/hahaownedpng.jpg



I knew there was a reason I liked this place so much. I'd like to thank all you who replied to the OP, for reminding me why I come here.

I would like to second that motion.

 

[PissOffRoth]

Race? What's that?

I thought people were human beings.

So did I. But it seems that the Big Book of Political Correctness says that not everyone is the same. It's like arguing that not all types of tigers are equal cause SOME R FRUM DIFRINT PLACES AND R DIFRINT SHADES OF ORANGE SO THEY ARE DUMMER AND SHUD DIE KTHXBAI.

Logic.

 

[Foolishman1776]

Well, there are too many things for me to answer them all, and too much inflammatory language for me to read all the posts with any diligence. I will say that no arguments I have seen have impressed me, they're full of logical fallacies and light on any kind of supportable fact. I will say that I continue to believe that racism is not a major force in the Western World, in fact, it's illegal.

Arizona was not an example of racism, it was an attempt to enforce a law by requiring officers to ask for proof of legal residence IF THERE IS REASONABLE CAUSE TO DO SO.

The 'ground zero mosque' situation. All of the people calling baloney on my statements, point to some definable statement that proves racism is involved. You make some claims that approach being factual, but lack of any kind of citation makes me wonder about some of them. I'm willing to admit that at least some of the people objecting to it are doing so due to lack of information, but calling someone an idiot NEVER changed their mind. I don't think racism has anything to do with it, to prove it does would require reading minds. As for the accusations of me watching Fox, I try to avoid corporate news outlets of all politics.

As for the 'Black/Hispanic people get paid less', thing, you'd have to prove that that's the case. I am not aware of anyone making such a claim. Illegal workers do get paid less, but that should hardly seem surprising as this is exactly why they are attractive to employers.

If you made a reasonable case with observable fact, and I ignored it, I'm sorry. I can only look at so many obnoxious anime pictures attempting to make fun of me.

 

[Player 2]

The White European Empire

No such thing. There were the British Empire, The German empire, the French Empire and the Dutch Empire but no "White European Empire".

On the subject of Islam. Look, PR aside, the Crusades were a war of Muslim aggression and Christian defense

Those are some strong bows the Muslims have got, to be threatening England like that. Because no Muslim army ever invaded.

 

[Outright Villainy]

-rant of justice-

Bravo for that. Just bravo.
I'm so god damn sick of people saying racism isn't an issue.
It's fucking everywhere.
Hell my flat mate last year was a crazy racist. Sigh...

 

[Alucard832]

The amount of brainwashed, ignorant, misinformed, liberal bullshit in this thread is sickening enough to get me to register to comment on it. The way all the flaming morons against the OP are replying really doesn't speak well for them or their stance on the topic when placed against OP's calm, sound arguments.

 

[capin Rob]

Okay, I should clarify, racism is not a major factor in the WESTERN world.

Do you live under a rock or something? The very recent Mosque nontroversy which has swept the States should be evidence enough that what you said is just completely wrong, and that's not touching on any of the immigration issues (hai Arizona) or the Roma in Europe.

More .gifs? Come on, can't people just make a point. As for the 'Ground Zero Mosque' or the 'cultural center', this has nothing to do with racism, it is a calculated insult to America, and attempt to rub salt into the wound because they know they can do it. The objections have literally NOTHING to do with racism.

I have a question, have you read the Arizona law? Do you know what it says? It says that Officers may demand proof of citizenship IF THERE IS REASONABLE CAUSE TO DO SO. It's not racial profiling, and any officer who stopped a Mexican person just to check their papers would be fired and the department shamed. As for people objection to ILLEGAL immigration, what's the problem? How is it racist to expect people from Mexico to follow the same laws as people from other countries? How is it racist to say that the influx of extremely cheap, not taxed labor is destroying the US economy? Can you qualify a single one of your statements?

How is the Ground Zero Mosque a "calculated insult to America"?

 

[hudsonzero]

How is the Ground Zero Mosque a "calculated insult to America"?

from what I understand its because of the proximty to the former site of the twin towers which I think was planed to not be build on I think

if the centre was built elsewhere I don't think there would be a problem

 

[nelsonr100]

How is the Ground Zero Mosque a "calculated insult to America"?

from what I understand its because of the proximty to the former site of the twin towers which I think was planed to not be build on I think

if the centre was built elsewhere I don't think there would be a problem

I agree. I find the "ground-zero mosque" thing so funny. Its simply the right wing media coming up with a catchy buzz word that misrepresents the situation and thereby inciting all the DERP americans to shout patriotism and injustice when they should be shouting "We are racist".

Now there might be a point to argue if a massive mosque was being built actually on the site - not because its a mosque mind you, but the fact that the site should probably be clear of all religious structures as the original incident was due to religious extremism. The actual "ground zero mosque" is like 3 blocks away and is actually a building which includes a restaurant and gym.

People are just dumb and it makes me a sad panda.

 

[MjrShake]

The amount of brainwashed, ignorant, misinformed, liberal bullshit in this thread is sickening enough to get me to register to comment on it. The way all the flaming morons against the OP are replying really doesn't speak well for them or their stance on the topic when placed against OP's calm, sound arguments.

Calm sound arguments require sources and statement of facts. With the OP not showing any of either then saying all of the responses to his need to have them is a bit hypocritical.

Amnestic's post sums up perfectly why the cultural center in NY is a non-issue and Arizona's law is unconstitutional. I'll even play nice and link a non-wiki source for the second: http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment04/

Shame it had to come from someone who isn't even a US citizen. Though I probably couldn't say it any better myself.

 

[FolkLikePanda]

I wouldn't hate anyone based on their colour, race or religion but if they don't accept British customs if they're living in Britain then fuck 'em they deserved to be mocked. In fact I say I hate more white scumbags (chavs in this case) more than I hate foreginers or people of a different ethnic background.

Would you say this would make me racist? Or dumb or whatever you believe it to be?