'Hardcore' games, 'Hardcore' consoles, and a think about the hardcore gamer
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Thanks for the input, but that wasn't my point. My point was there is no 'hardcore' console or 'casual' console. The consoles themselves have a wealth of games that appeal to everyone. Hardcore gamers can own a Wii, while what people consider to be casual gamers can own a 360 arcade. The 360 is no more hardcore than the Wii like Call of Duty is no more hardcore than Super Mario Bros. Games are games, and what you make of them is what makes YOU hardcore, but not the product, those are subjective opinion.j0z said:
Is it right to call the Peggle champion a casual gamer for the type of game she plays, while there are people out there being called hardcore gamers for completing FPS titles once and never playing them again? Ignore what the games content for a bit, and think about the fact that a 'casual' gamer would approach a title by completing it once and never playing it again, while a hardcore gamer would run through every aspect of it for their own enjoyment.
Nintendo were not actually aiming at solely the non gaming audience with the Nintendo Wii, but everyone. If that were not the case there would not be a number of games that are aimed at the core gaming audience. All of these consoles can and have been used by everyone, and do not have an affinity to a certain gaming sect. To call any console 'hardcore' is incorrect.
Jesus, you're right! That's ridiculous, but not so many posts, and I wonder why?DM. said:
Plus I don't remember who did a number crunch of views versus posts (it ended up being 10 views for every one post) but this seems to be the exception to his theory.
Do you think the SNES would have been considered 'hardcore' back in the 80s? It was the in thing back in the day, and scores of children played it then.Fallen_Hitokiri said:I reckon the Wii is for casual gamers...im talkin sup? kinda casual
ps3 is for medium gamers ..... and for hardcore gamers it is more the 360 coz you dont get
all the shiny tools that the ps3 has its more purely gaming plus it has better games
In my opinion
but the most hardcore console would be the SNES
gotta love it
A hardcore gamer is any person capable of beating you in your favourite game. (joke)
No seriously, I don't get this hardcore label thing. There are people who are really good at games, kudos to them but no need to label something that speaks for itself. I know when I've been owned by a really experienced player in Halo, you don't need to tell me he/she's hardcore (and you don't need to tea-bag me either...) >|(
And as for "hardcore" consoles... don't make me laugh. Super Mario 64 wasn't what you'd describe as "hardcore" but it still had me tearing my hair out and barking at the moon after getting to the later missions. Being able to collect all 150 or God knows how many stars in a human lifetime is "hardcore" play, merely playing gears of war is not.
No seriously, I don't get this hardcore label thing. There are people who are really good at games, kudos to them but no need to label something that speaks for itself. I know when I've been owned by a really experienced player in Halo, you don't need to tell me he/she's hardcore (and you don't need to tea-bag me either...) >|(
And as for "hardcore" consoles... don't make me laugh. Super Mario 64 wasn't what you'd describe as "hardcore" but it still had me tearing my hair out and barking at the moon after getting to the later missions. Being able to collect all 150 or God knows how many stars in a human lifetime is "hardcore" play, merely playing gears of war is not.
ChromeAlchemist said:Thanks for the input, but that wasn't my point. My point was there is no 'hardcore' console or 'casual' console. The consoles themselves have a wealth of games that appeal to everyone. Hardcore gamers can own a Wii, while what people consider to be casual gamers can own a 360 arcade. The 360 is no more hardcore than the Wii like Call of Duty is no more hardcore than Super Mario Bros. Games are games, and what you make of them is what makes YOU hardcore, but not the product, those are subjective opinion.j0z said:
Is it right to call the Peggle champion a casual gamer for the type of game she plays, while there are people out there being called hardcore gamers for completing FPS titles once and never playing them again? Ignore what the games content for a bit, and think about the fact that a 'casual' gamer would approach a title by completing it once and never playing it again, while a hardcore gamer would run through every aspect of it for their own enjoyment.
Nintendo were not actually aiming at solely the non gaming audience with the Nintendo Wii, but everyone. If that were not the case there would not be a number of games that are aimed at the core gaming audience. All of these consoles can and have been used by everyone, and do not have an affinity to a certain gaming sect. To call any console 'hardcore' is incorrect.
Jesus, you're right! That's ridiculous, but not so many posts, and I wonder why?DM. said:
Plus I don't remember who did a number crunch of views versus posts (it ended up being 10 views for every one post) but this seems to be the exception to his theory.
Do you think the SNES would have been considered 'hardcore' back in the 80s? It was the in thing back in the day, and scores of children played it then.Fallen_Hitokiri said:I reckon the Wii is for casual gamers...im talkin sup? kinda casual
ps3 is for medium gamers ..... and for hardcore gamers it is more the 360 coz you dont get
all the shiny tools that the ps3 has its more purely gaming plus it has better games
In my opinion
but the most hardcore console would be the SNES
gotta love it
Was bout as hardcore as fried bread
but o well
Its not the 80s and if goin by hardcore you mean people who play games literally all the time
rather than once a year and people who play games non stop etc
I would go for the SNES for the console to do it on
and yeh the dreamcast is awesome
but i still prefer the snes
Some people prefer to invest significant time into gaming, others don't. People who like to play games seriously are one audience, people who do it on the side are another. Some games are designed to appeal to one group, some are for the other. Neither is 'better' than the other. You obviously like 'casual' games. But don't dismiss the other crowd as being simply too 'afraid of change' to recognize what in your eyes is a good thing. You should recognize that some people think differently from you and like different things than you.Chiasm said:
The thing that irks me is that hardcore has become a synonym for masochist [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQZuidKexBQ]. Hell, people even find ways to make otherwise fun games into a chore. "You're not hardcore, unless you level/play/use weapons exactly the way I do, because it gives you the most dps/fastest playthrough/biggest e-peen." Screw you, I'll play the game however I goddamn please. I'm sorry, but if playing game so you can get some kind of enjoyment out of them makes you casual, then I'm the most casual gamer on earth.
Alchemist, I agree with you 100%. Seriously people need to stop calling themselves "hardcore" just because they play on the 360/PS3 and games like Halo,Gears, Resistance, etc. No console is hardcore, and no games, save for a select few, should be called that either. The only way I'd consider you to be "hardcore" is if you play a diverse selection of games in all genres, beat all games 100% a few times over, and had all consoles and a pretty damn good PC. You play games not only because they are challenging, but because you enjoy playing video games. And that my friends is my definition of "hardcore".
Oh no, you misunderstand. I don't care if someone wants to play through Doom 3 using only the flashlight. My problem is assholes who come on and say we're stupid/casual/not playing the game right if we don't play a certain optimized way, or havent vested over 9000 hours to be able to play on super-expert-nightmare mode plus plus, because they think that playing a difficulty where you die two seconds into a fight is how the game is meant to be played. But if they want to put themselves through that torture, good for them.DM. said:
I think the primary issue is that the term "hardcore" has gotten tied to games that feature over-the-top violence and hyper-competitive multiplayer. You're apparently nothing unless you regularly "pwn n00bz in teh fase wit a chainsawzorz lol".
How true.
These labels are stupid.
I can't understand what people mean these days when they talk about 'hardcore' and 'casual'.
What does it even mean?
And if it comes to skill, even a 'casual' game can get to be quite a nightmare.
And then there's mario. Who, by my understanding of the way the terms are getting used, is neither 'hardcore' nor 'casual'. (now there's something? What's the inbetween state of those two?)
But, if you've gotten 121 stars in Super Mario Galaxy, that's quite an accomplishment.
(for one thing, it means you've played through it twice. Once with Mario, and once with Luigi.)
And doing Luigi's Purple coins as Luigi, is one of the most insanely difficult things I've done in a game in a long time.
(seriously. Even now that I've got it down, it still averages 10 attempts to get through. - I remember going through 50 lives the first time and still being unable to do it...
How many people do you think would have the patience to keep going after that?)
These labels are stupid.
I can't understand what people mean these days when they talk about 'hardcore' and 'casual'.
What does it even mean?
And if it comes to skill, even a 'casual' game can get to be quite a nightmare.
And then there's mario. Who, by my understanding of the way the terms are getting used, is neither 'hardcore' nor 'casual'. (now there's something? What's the inbetween state of those two?)
But, if you've gotten 121 stars in Super Mario Galaxy, that's quite an accomplishment.
(for one thing, it means you've played through it twice. Once with Mario, and once with Luigi.)
And doing Luigi's Purple coins as Luigi, is one of the most insanely difficult things I've done in a game in a long time.
(seriously. Even now that I've got it down, it still averages 10 attempts to get through. - I remember going through 50 lives the first time and still being unable to do it...
How many people do you think would have the patience to keep going after that?)
I define hardcore gamers as those who love their games. That's why they are cautious in buying towards the hype and researching things before buying them. If you consider Halo fans as "hardcore" then they pretty much fail in being hardcore if the think Halo 3 was any good. If you love a game, you don't love it just because it's part of the trilogy, you love it because it's good.
In my eyes, it is. I have a Wii and an Xbox 360. The Wii is my primary and the 360 is my secondary. I only bought the 360 because some of my friends have it. I have about 7 games for my 360 while I have about 25+ games for my Wii. I was about to sell my Xbox 360 till I played TF2 with some of the members on this site and reminded me why I bought the 360. To have fun. I have a blast when I play games on the Wii. Super Smash Bros Brawl and The Conduit are my most played games online and offline I have No More Heroes and Madworld.DonkeysAndClipboards said:
