Hardcore =/= Metal?

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BonsaiK

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BonsaiK said:
Hardcore is not metal.

Hardcore is a sub-genre of punk if anything.
Is it? Where I come from, this is hardcore:
That's Dutch quality music right there. Now if you would hand me that towel over there, I need to stop my ears from bleeding. If you'll excuse me, I'll have to crawl up in foetal position in that corner over there and cry like a little girl to recover from listening to about 10 seconds of that...sound.

But I guess that in this thread, hardcore is something else entirely. Well, it can't be any worse than what I posted, at least it's somewhat instrumental.
Well yes then there's "hardcore techno" which is another thing entirely, that a few Europeans have pointed out. Any music style that thinks it's bad-ass likes to tack the word "hardcore" in front of it. We had that stuff in Australia for all of two years around the mid 1990s before it got coined "doof doof music" and people got ridiculed out of listening to it. You don't hear it in clubs at all anymore, because anything with that over-emphasised electronic kick sounds very "mid-90s retro" and there's not too many people who actually want to go back to the mid-90s musically at the moment.

I actually found that piece quite melodic, at an almost nursey-rhyme type of level, with the twee melody and all. It's the sort of tune I'd expect to hear coming out of a children's toy, and the beat is as comforting as my nother's heartbeat when I was an infant. The "harshest" techno is always compromsied heavily by the fact that the music (and the club setting) is basically recreating a coddling womb-like environment and there's nothing "edgy" about that. Being in a dark room listening to repetitive thumping occasionally punctuated by strange screechy noises is what everyone reading this thread did for about 9 months before they saw their first vagina. I wrote a thesis on this when I was in Uni. Techno takes people back to being children, which is why people like it so much. It's about as "harsh" as your Mum. Your "foetal position" comment is spot-on, because metaphorically, when you listen to this music, that's exactly what is happening.

Oh and just to drive home the point, if you look at the picture of the dog really closely, you can see a pregnant woman's torso.
 

DuplicateValue

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Does it really matter anymore? Things have changed a lot since metal first showed up in the music word. Most of the older, more well-known metal bands wouldn't even qualify as metal nowadays. I mean, Metallica would be classed as rock at best.

Say what you want, but BMTH is an extremely impressive band, even if you don't like their style of music.

Actually, just listen to Trivium. Nothing else is necessary.
 

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To be quite honest, I don't have a clue what any of you are talking about. Just listen to your music, doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. I know some people are really into categorizing their music, let them get their knickers in a twist when they are musing over whether Oasis is Pop, Rock, Metal, Indie or none of those.
 

sagonas123

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TheLoveRat said:
I thought hardcore was a sub-genre of metal? So ergo, they are the same thing?
Metalcore is a combination of hardcore and metal...
Hardcore is a sub-genre of punk.
 

Gildan Bladeborn

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Dahni said:
they've already thoroughly conquered america, they should be over in sweden and the like anytime soon. :)
How has a band I've never heard of before conquered America? :p
This. The only band the OP listed that I'd even heard of before was Metallica. Admittedly I don't really pay much attention to American metal acts, but I've at least heard of the more prominent ones (but then Hardcore isn't actually metal).

I think you might be giving Hardcore bands more credibility nationwide than they actually have, or perhaps they just aren't popular with anyone above a certain age bracket? Dunno really.

x0ny said:
I know some people are really into categorizing their music, let them get their knickers in a twist when they are musing over whether Oasis is Pop, Rock, Metal, Indie or none of those.
I thought everyone knew the correct answer to that: Terrible! Ha ha!
 

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Gildan Bladeborn said:
UltraParanoia said:
[This. The only band the OP listed that I'd even heard of before was Metallica. Admittedly I don't really pay much attention to American metal acts, but I've at least heard of the more prominent ones.

I think you might be giving Hardcore bands more credibility nationwide than they actually have, or perhaps they just aren't popular with anyone above a certain age bracket? Dunno really.
Or perhaps they just aren't popular with anyone outside the metalcore scene.. Which is you.
 

SantoUno

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Hardcore isn't metal, yes they share similarities sometimes but hardcore isn't considered a sub-genre of metal

TheNamlessGuy said:
Hardcore > Metal

Also, Bring Me The Horizon is awesome
Pfff, I respect your opinion, but come on, I seriously believe that the entire population of metal bands completely smokes the population of hardcore bands, metal has made a much greater impact on music and pop culture (involving young teens and so on).
 

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I have to say I grew up with metal, I began listening to it when I was about 11 (I am now 17). And I have to say, I have begun seeing many new people in the scene that don't understand what they are talking about and follow hardcore as a fad, and don't know its roots.
The people that I really cannot understand are those who are into the likes of Misery Signals and Parkway Drive, and then go and hate on metal, makes no sense.
Although I have been listening to metal for years, I have begun to get into a couple of hardcore bands but still see many metal influences. In fact, some people I've met at shows are so stupid I've seen one listening to Orion (Metallica, Master of Puppets (for those who don't know)) and they then began hating on metal, I mean seriously, WTF!
Bands such as Norther, Children of Bodom, In Flames, Soilwork are also great.

I even signed up to the site just to get in my two cents. :)
 

Gildan Bladeborn

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zen5887 said:
Gildan Bladeborn said:
I think you might be giving Hardcore bands more credibility nationwide than they actually have, or perhaps they just aren't popular with anyone above a certain age bracket? Dunno really.
Or perhaps they just aren't popular with anyone outside the metalcore scene.. Which is you.
True enough, about the only bands I listen to that would even be classified as Metalcore are In This Moment and Maroon (a German Metalcore band). I mainly stick to the Power, Gothic, Folk, Black, Progressive, Melo-Death, Doom, and Symphonic varieties of Metal, ergo why I don't much pay attention to American metal bands since the pickings are rather... slim when it comes to those sub-genres here.

Doesn't change the fact that the hardcore bands the OP listed have hardly "conquered America" - the general population of America has never even heard of them. A more accurate statement might have been "conquered the segment of America that listens to Hardcore", is what I'm suggesting.
 

NBSRDan

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Hardcore is not metal. Hardcore is not any music genre. Hardcore is an adjective.
 

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BonsaiK said:
O wow....good sir, you just blew my mind. I've never seen a Freudian analysis of the Dutch hardcore scene before (which is, by the way, anything but retro over here), and for that I love you.
 

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While this can certainly be debated on which band fits where, it seems a pretty decent starting point;-