Has anyone reviewed Innocence of Muslims yet? No? Well I'm gonna.

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000Ronald

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For a long time the worst film I'd ever seen was Vampire Assassin. It's a movie about a cop that hunts vampires, and in the end gets turned into a vampire. Or something. I only saw it once before my friend set it on fire for being so bad. Now, however, I can proudly (proudly? shame-ed-ly? I don't know how this goes) say that I have seen a worse film than Vampire Assassin. Several times worse. In about a sixth the runtime.

Innocence of Muslims is thirteen vile minutes of unadulterated what-the-hellery. I went in with impossibly low expectations; by the time I was done, I had forgotten what my expectations had been. It's like a reverse Inception. I've seen middle-school productions with more coherence, better acting, and less greenscreen. Was that greenscreen? I don't know, but if it was real sets, it was the fakest looking set I've ever seen ever. I'm going to spoil the movie because it's less than fifteen minutes long. Also I don't want you to see it.

And that's the truth of the matter. I know you know this film is bad, and I'm not going to pretend it isn't, but I don't think you know just how bad this film is. It's not just bad. It's not just horrible It's...it's...I...I'm not sure I can put it into words, but I'll try.

We start off with what appears to be a military person bragging about how his prophet had, "61 wives; 11 at the same time!" and how he even had a girlfriend. He appears to be talking to...someone in a white lab coat. I thought it was a dentist, but apparently he's a general doctor. The military person then goes on to talk about how he wishes his wife would die so he can marry a younger woman. Charming. Or maybe he's just thinking it, because his lips don't move when he says it. And that's the first fifteen seconds of the film! Your first impression! What do you think of the hilarious constable?

Something I have to mention, just because of the sheer oh-god-why-ery is the editing. It's not that the editing is terrible; terrible is understating it. Saying that terrible understates the quality of the editing is giving the film an unearned compliment. It's like the film reel was accidentally dropped into a blender, and whoever put the film back together was stone drunk. Then the drunkard dropped it in the blender again and everybody got pissed off and left. There is no transition that isn't awkward or misplaced, and it would make the film unwatchable even if the cast was made up of a hundred clones of Sir Patrick Stewart filmed on location in Egypt. The editing of the film is by far the worst part of the film, even worse than the ultimate message. Though the message is stupid, it's easy to miss, because the whole film is an incoherent mess. The editing is right front and center, driving thumb-tacs into your eyeballs for giggles for the entire fifteen minute runtime. Unforgivable.

Anyway, a bunch of men with large beards and white robes (who I thought might be the Ku Kux Klan when I first saw them) come over and antagonize the doctor by brandishing weapons, knocking over papers, killing a bystander and threatening to burn stuff down. Oh, there are apparently 1400 arrests, but we don't see that. We learn that the white-robe guys are the Islamic Egyptian Police, and that they persecute Christians and force them to confess to killings they didn't commit. His daughter asks why they'd do this, and doctor says something about taxes. He goes on to say "Man + x = Islamic Terrorist". His voice cracks when he says "Islamic Terrorist" though, and he spells it BT. That sounds to me like a voice insert, but hey, maybe Egyptians go through a second puberty at middle age. He then tells his daughter she has to find out what the X is on her own. The doctor's wife gets no lines. Thought I'd mention that. This is two minutes in, by the way.

We then cut, without any kind of warning, to a pair of burly-looking men talking about a six-year-old fathering a two-year old child. I think the implication is that one of the two men actually fathered the child, but it's just as possible that the people who made this film have no idea where babies come from. They decide to call the child, "Muhammad: The Father Unknown". We then jump to this Muhammad as a young slave. We see him flash his mistress before another cut where he has a beard and is playing what appears to be sexy twister with the same lady. The two of them step outside, Muhammad names a donkey a prophet, I think, and the woman begs a much older gentleman (her cousin) to take pity on the poor soul. He says he'll do this by making up the Islamic holy text. I think, it's not entirely clear on that.

We then cut (again) to Muhammad saying "The inspiration has disappeared" I...have no idea what's going on in this scene, I think there was a war, maybe? Muhammad says he's going to kill himself, and that he's already done it two times before. I've watched that scene six times and I still don't understand what's going on.

We cut again to Muhammad carrying a sword and talking about sacking a city, condoning child prostitution in the process. He goes on to sleep with several married women, justifying it rather feebly, justify genocide (which he's called out on) marries a child (offscreen), kills an old lady, dismembers a guy in front of his wife, and says that all non-Muslims are infidels. Oh, and someone mentions that he's probably a homosexual. And that's the film.

I think this may be one of the worst films ever made by a man. No, I take that back. I'm not sure this is a film. I think this can only be considered a film in the same way that the card that tells you how to play Texas hold-em is considered a playing card. This is a film in the same way Pepsi is an alcoholic beverage. The acting is wooden at best, the most realistic set is a tent, the ice-crusher editing may cause spontaneous human combustion, there's zero pace, and the central message is, "Muhammad is everything you should hate!"

That's another problem with this movie, they portray Muhammad as this horrible human being who happens to be a combination of every terrible thing any human being could possibly be, but they've already shown him to be stupid enough to name a donkey a prophet. Are we supposed to take this seriously? How? Why? Isn't that what they did in Battlefield Earth? How did Muhammad go from can't count the fingers on his hands to military leader of unspeakable prowess without the learning machine?

An importiant question, brought up in another thread is whether or not the film should be considered hate speech [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/528.389441-Poll-Is-the-Anti-islam-film-hate-speech]. My first impression was that considering the film itself to be intelligent enough to be called hate speech was giving it too much credit. The wikipedia entry for the film [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocence_of_Muslims], however, has informed me that the Southern Poverty Law Center has all but condemned the film as hate speech, and those guys tend to know what they're talking about, so there's that. Me, I don't know anything about the Quran or the Muslim religion, but I do feel as though the film hates me with a violent passion. It certainly treats me like most of the people who've hated me in my life; punishing me for thinking, punishing me for not meeting it's bewildering expectations, punishing me for questioning it, and never giving me an opportunity to perform well in it's eyes. I wouldn't say people are justified murdering people over the film, but I don't think any human being could watch it without being offended, is what I'm saying.

All in all, I'd give the film a two out of ten. Nah, I'm joking, this film doesn't deserve a scale. Maybe a bad scale. Maybe, like, a bad movie scale. Like, one is Kony 2012 and ten is Schizophreniac The Whore Mangler. But I haven't seen Schizophreniac The Whore Mangler, so I can't rate it. What I'm saying is this is the worst film I've ever seen, or heard of, ever. DO NOT WATCH!

So...nothing you didn't already know. Sorry for wasting your time.
 

000Ronald

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Fappy said:
Now I want to watch it.

Sorry OP :D
I've never understood that inclination.

If I were to buy a hot dog, bite into it, and suddenly declare, "This is the worst hot dog ever made by a man!" you wouldn't grab it out of the trash, thinking it would enrich your life, would you? No, you'd have to be the second-hungriest man on the planet to do that.

What I'm saying is you can do better. It's not hard. Literally anything is better.
 

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000Ronald said:
Fappy said:
Now I want to watch it.

Sorry OP :D
I've never understood that inclination.

If I were to buy a hot dog, bite into it, and suddenly declare, "This is the worst hot dog ever made by a man!" you wouldn't grab it out of the trash, thinking it would enrich your life, would you? No, you'd have to be the second-hungriest man on the planet to do that.

What I'm saying is you can do better. It's not hard. Literally anything is better.
This sounds like one of those things where you really need to see it to believe it. I applaud your efforts, but I don't think any words could likely do this awful film justice.
 

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I wouldn't really call this a review, you're just talking through the film and what you thought of certain bits...so i didn't read the whole thing for spoilers' sake.

Still seems like a laugh though, definitely gonna watch it maha.
 

000Ronald

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Fappy said:
000Ronald said:
Fappy said:
Now I want to watch it.

Sorry OP :D
I've never understood that inclination.

If I were to buy a hot dog, bite into it, and suddenly declare, "This is the worst hot dog ever made by a man!" you wouldn't grab it out of the trash, thinking it would enrich your life, would you? No, you'd have to be the second-hungriest man on the planet to do that.

What I'm saying is you can do better. It's not hard. Literally anything is better.
This sounds like one of those things where you really need to see it to believe it. I applaud your efforts, but I don't think any words could likely do this awful film justice.
No.

Please.

Do not watch this film. I don't want the people who made it saying, "Oh, hundreds of millions of people have watched this film and agreed with it! Are you telling them they're wrong?"

Every person who doesn't watch this film is a victory for humanity, and I'm ashamed to say that. Really I am. But this movie...this movie...

Anything. Literally anything.
 

Gigano

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It's the work of a brain damaged Leni Riefenstahl all right.

Crude, preachy propaganda obfuscating criticism of Islam, with production values that makes you wonder why it's not cinematographers who are rioting in the streets.

It's also something that should certainly be watched. As source material for the political debates it has spawned, and because it's so laughably bad it's... laughable. Be sure to read the YouTube comments for Extra Retardation and the occasional death threat.
 

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Imperator_DK said:
Crude, preachy propaganda obfuscating criticism of Islam, with production values that makes you wonder why it's not cinematographers who are rioting in the streets.
"Today in West LA, thousands of actors, editors, and directors took to the streets in violent protests against an anti-Islam film chanting "death to the editors" lead by hardline cinematographers such as James Lipton, Martin Scorsese, and Zach Snider. They attacked symbols of their grievence, smashing Radioshacks, burning Apple stores, and giving off-Broadway theaters particularly bad reviews. The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences have released a statement condemning both the film and the violence but has refused to cancel a scheduled protest rally against the film set for tomorrow.

"Not all cinematographers sided with the protesters. Director Michael Bay released a statement saying "I just watched [the film] and don't see any problem with it""
 

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The Gentleman said:
Imperator_DK said:
Crude, preachy propaganda obfuscating criticism of Islam, with production values that makes you wonder why it's not cinematographers who are rioting in the streets.
"Today in West LA, thousands of actors, editors, and directors took to the streets in violent protests against an anti-Islam film chanting "death to the editors" lead by hardline cinematographers such as James Lipton, Martin Scorsese, and Zach Snider. They attacked symbols of their grievence, smashing Radioshacks, burning Apple stores, and giving off-Broadway theaters particularly bad reviews. The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences have released a statement condemning both the film and the violence but has refused to cancel a scheduled protest rally against the film set for tomorrow.

"Not all cinematographers sided with the protesters. Director Michael Bay released a statement saying "I just watched [the film] and don't see any problem with it""
Traansformers is oscar bait compared to this.

000Ronald said:
For a long time the worst film I'd ever seen was Vampire Assassin. It's a movie about a cop that hunts vampires, and in the end gets turned into a vampire. Or something. I only saw it once before my friend set it on fire for being so bad. Now, however, I can proudly (proudly? shame-ed-ly? I don't know how this goes) say that I have seen a worse film than Vampire Assassin. Several times worse. In about a sixth the runtime.

Innocence of Muslims is thirteen vile minutes of unadulterated what-the-hellery. I went in with impossibly low expectations; by the time I was done, I had forgotten what my expectations had been. It's like a reverse Inception. I've seen middle-school productions with more coherence, better acting, and less greenscreen. Was that greenscreen? I don't know, but if it was real sets, it was the fakest looking set I've ever seen ever. I'm going to spoil the movie because it's less than fifteen minutes long. Also I don't want you to see it.

And that's the truth of the matter. I know you know this film is bad, and I'm not going to pretend it isn't, but I don't think you know just how bad this film is. It's not just bad. It's not just horrible It's...it's...I...I'm not sure I can put it into words, but I'll try.



An importiant question, brought up in another thread is whether or not the film should be considered hate speech [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/528.389441-Poll-Is-the-Anti-islam-film-hate-speech]. My first impression was that considering the film itself to be intelligent enough to be called hate speech was giving it too much credit. The wikipedia entry for the film [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocence_of_Muslims], however, has informed me that the Southern Poverty Law Center has all but condemned the film as hate speech, and those guys tend to know what they're talking about, so there's that. Me, I don't know anything about the Quran or the Muslim religion, but I do feel as though the film hates me with a violent passion. It certainly treats me like most of the people who've hated me in my life; punishing me for thinking, punishing me for not meeting it's bewildering expectations, punishing me for questioning it, and never giving me an opportunity to perform well in it's eyes. I wouldn't say people are justified murdering people over the film, but I don't think any human being could watch it without being offended, is what I'm saying.

All in all, I'd give the film a two out of ten. Nah, I'm joking, this film doesn't deserve a scale. Maybe a bad scale. Maybe, like, a bad movie scale. Like, one is Kony 2012 and ten is Schizophreniac The Whore Mangler. But I haven't seen Schizophreniac The Whore Mangler, so I can't rate it. What I'm saying is this is the worst film I've ever seen, or heard of, ever. DO NOT WATCH!

So...nothing you didn't already know. Sorry for wasting your time.
I Guess hate speech migh have been too stronger word to use but as an athiest who respects peoples rights to religeon I just se this as westburro baptist church bad.

Add this to the fact that it endangers american lives in afghanistan and it really the worst film ever made.
 

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The Gentleman said:
Imperator_DK said:
Crude, preachy propaganda obfuscating criticism of Islam, with production values that makes you wonder why it's not cinematographers who are rioting in the streets.
"Today in West LA, thousands of actors, editors, and directors took to the streets in violent protests against an anti-Islam film chanting "death to the editors" lead by hardline cinematographers such as James Lipton, Martin Scorsese, and Zach Snider. They attacked symbols of their grievence, smashing Radioshacks, burning Apple stores, and giving off-Broadway theaters particularly bad reviews. The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences have released a statement condemning both the film and the violence but has refused to cancel a scheduled protest rally against the film set for tomorrow.

"Not all cinematographers sided with the protesters. Director Michael Bay released a statement saying "I just watched [the film] and don't see any problem with it""
"Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences board member Fred West recently offered a reward of $100,000 and "a date with a Hollywood actress, one of the really hot ones" to anyone who would commit grave violence upon the director of the film.

In an official statement, the Academy have denounced the statement. "This statement in no way reflects how much the academy wants to be publicly known about its opinion", said Chairman Hawk Koch. He declined that any action would be taken against Mr. West. "Promoting violence on the side is in no way incompatible with the vocation of being on the Academy board. We'll leave it to Mr. West's mother to determine whether or not he's been a bad boy".

When asked about the recent statement from George Lucas saying he would digitally replace all actors in the original Star Wars films with the ones from the movie, citing them being "so young and hip", Mr. Koch responded with various curse words and gnawing the table, and was unavailable for further commentary."
 

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It's interesting that the film is pretty much discriminatory trash. It really makes me wonder what the response would have been towards a relatively objective, well made documentary that depicted Mohammed doing things the Quran said he did and rationally discussed them. Then you'd have more of a discussion between freedom of speech versus freedom of religion.
 

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Yeah, it is bad, but for all the people actually wanting to watch the film I will say: Please, do not be an intellectual masochist, it does not help you, nor anyone else.

As far as the social impact of the film, it is largely due to the Arab media blowing it out of proportion. If you lived in say, Egypt, you may have thought this film to be the most popular film in America, when in reality, no one had ever heard of the film before protests over it erupted. This was due to the Arab brand of media sensationalism, not too different than here in the west, except that this time people happened to get killed.

Last I heard, the racist n00b behind the film just got arrested. Not for making the film of course, but because he violated his parole, after being convicted of fraud. We will have to see how well and accurately this is reported in the Arab and Persian world.
 

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Unfortunately I agree with the guys above... I want to see it now! :p

I have studied Islam, so I have alterior interests to watch it!

Also... from the pics I have seen... HOW DID IT COST THAT MUCH!?
 

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I saw the film, and it was such a mess, so incoherent; I don't understand how people can get outraged over it.

Is really saying "Muhammad = X" a bad thing?
 

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000Ronald said:
Fappy said:
Now I want to watch it.

Sorry OP :D
I've never understood that inclination.

If I were to buy a hot dog, bite into it, and suddenly declare, "This is the worst hot dog ever made by a man!" you wouldn't grab it out of the trash, thinking it would enrich your life, would you? No, you'd have to be the second-hungriest man on the planet to do that.

What I'm saying is you can do better. It's not hard. Literally anything is better.
Well yeah, if you already threw it away we're not gonna eat it. It touched garbage! It's got garbage germs on it now and probably smells bad and/or worse than it did before.
 

Murmillos

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000Ronald said:
Fappy said:
Now I want to watch it.

Sorry OP :D
I've never understood that inclination.

If I were to buy a hot dog, bite into it, and suddenly declare, "This is the worst hot dog ever made by a man!" you wouldn't grab it out of the trash, thinking it would enrich your life, would you? No, you'd have to be the second-hungriest man on the planet to do that.

What I'm saying is you can do better. It's not hard. Literally anything is better.
Thats because we have all different tastes. I know some people who go nuts over cucumbers and squash. I hate it. I declare anything with cucumber in it to be tainted and "the worst ever". Other people, delightfully eat it up. But that's food... and we're derailing the subject.
 

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Murmillos said:
I saw the film, and it was such a mess, so incoherent; I don't understand how people can get outraged over it.

Is really saying "Muhammad = X" a bad thing?
Muhammed himself is traditionally quite a lot more revered than Jesus; you're not even allowed to depict him. Season with downright medieval disgust of blasphemy, add a pinch of religious paranoia, and you've got a riot.

Quite frankly both sides in this debacle disgust me. I can understand people doing a lot of things, but religious zealotry (of the kind displayed both by the director, and by whomever rioted over a stupid youtube movie) really is far outside the boundaries of acceptable human behaviour.

Fucking idiots.
 

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Gah I find those pictures quite sickening and is it me or do islamists always seem to go for killing when someone spouts something their religion doesn't like, granted groups like westboro aren't much better but I don't remember them actually saying things like behead and kill but more [subject] should be ashamed and god forsakes you etc etc (please correct me if I'm wrong as I am quite ignorant in this area). The 2nd picture disgusts me because its the parents putting a sign in the childs hands and I don't think the kid can read what he's holding, I wonder what would happen if the kid refused, would the parents then beat him?

OT: never heard of this film till I read this thread and it's not going to be hard to avoid it afterwards since I am prejudiced against all religions anyway, still good to have a heads up on where not to waste 15 minutes of my life.
 

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oh god this seems to be the rooms the room.
however despite my love of bad movies i will not watch this hateful horrendous piece of shit.
oh and fuck everyone who protested because of this, you are the idiots i would insult to punch me in front of a teacher when i wanted them to have detention.